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[email protected] January 4th 05 05:07 PM

measuring rail temperature
 
I'm looking to buy a data logger to record rail temperatures. Anybody
had experience with / could recommend something, I'd appreciate the
advice.
Advice on something suitable for recording strain gauge measurements as
well would be a bonus.


Many thanks, grateful for any help!


[email protected] January 4th 05 05:51 PM

measuring rail temperature
 
A few questions:

1) Are you measuring the temperature of one bit of track or are
attaching the logger to a train and measuring the temperature of the
track on it's journey
2) Do you have a power supply available
3) Do you want to record any other information (time, passage of
trains, etc.)


[email protected] January 5th 05 07:07 AM

measuring rail temperature
 
cwl
1. Mounted next to the track for a week or so at a time.
2. No power, it'll have to have batteries.
3. Other info: time.
It would be handy to be able to measure the passage of trains (in case
temperature suddenly increases when a train passes, then gradually
dissipates), but I'm not sure how easy/difficult that would be.

The logger would have to be small enough to be used in tunnels.

tia

John

wrote:
A few questions:

1) Are you measuring the temperature of one bit of track or are
attaching the logger to a train and measuring the temperature of the
track on it's journey
2) Do you have a power supply available
3) Do you want to record any other information (time, passage of
trains, etc.)



Paul Weaver January 5th 05 11:21 AM

measuring rail temperature
 
wrote in message
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wrote:
A few questions:

1) Are you measuring the temperature of one bit of track or are
attaching the logger to a train and measuring the temperature of the
track on it's journey
2) Do you have a power supply available
3) Do you want to record any other information (time, passage of
trains, etc.)


1. Mounted next to the track for a week or so at a time.
2. No power, it'll have to have batteries.
3. Other info: time.
It would be handy to be able to measure the passage of trains (in case
temperature suddenly increases when a train passes, then gradually
dissipates), but I'm not sure how easy/difficult that would be.

The logger would have to be small enough to be used in tunnels.


(fix top posting, this time)

Is anyone else surprised that network rail or whatever they are caled
nowadays is asking on usenet for where to get tools from? Or is this for a
model railway?



Paul Weaver January 5th 05 12:35 PM

measuring rail temperature
 
"Huge" wrote in message
...
It might be an engineering student project.

Maplins sell infrared thermometers, BTW. I expect one of those would suit.


For logging and strain guages? I'm not aware of engineering departments with
their own railway, so I'd ask the person he has permission off, they should
(heopfully) know, or know someone that does know.

--
Everything above is the personal opinion of the author, and nothing to do
with where he works and all that lovely disclaimery stuff.
Posted in his lunch hour too.



[email protected] January 6th 05 04:07 AM

measuring rail temperature
 
wrote:
1. Mounted next to the track for a week or so at a time.
2. No power, it'll have to have batteries.
3. Other info: time.
It would be handy to be able to measure the passage of trains (in case
temperature suddenly increases when a train passes, then gradually
dissipates), but I'm not sure how easy/difficult that would be.
The logger would have to be small enough to be used in tunnels.


I have used a Fluke "Hydra" data logger in a lab situation. I was
capturing the data on a PC, but some models of the Hydra have internal
memory. They can be operated from batteries. They can measure voltage,
current, resistance, and temperature. I know it recorded the relative
time (seconds since powerup) with each measurement, and I _think_ it had
a time-of-day clock if you wanted absolute time. The models I'm familiar
with don't have a housing that would stand up to being outside; if I
wanted to use one in your application I would put it in a big Pelican
case, maybe. The logger itself was about 3"x8"x8" (about 8x16x16 cm)
but the batteries and case would easily double or triple that volume.

I have never used one of these, but I know they exist:
http://www.onsetcomp.com/Products/Pr...al_logger.html
It has a thermocouple input, a clock, and a voltage input that might be
able to record a dry contact closure to record the presence of trains.
Getting the contact closure is left as an exercise for the reader.

All of this does assume that you have permission to hook things up on
the tracks. Otherwise the railroad will probably react badly to
unidentified boxes with wires hooked up to their track.

Matt Roberds


[email protected] January 6th 05 06:25 AM

measuring rail temperature
 

wrote:

I have used a Fluke "Hydra" data logger in a lab situation. I was
capturing the data on a PC, but some models of the Hydra have

internal
memory. They can be operated from batteries. They can measure

voltage,
current, resistance, and temperature. I know it recorded the

relative
time (seconds since powerup) with each measurement, and I _think_ it

had
a time-of-day clock if you wanted absolute time. The models I'm

familiar
with don't have a housing that would stand up to being outside; if I
wanted to use one in your application I would put it in a big Pelican
case, maybe. The logger itself was about 3"x8"x8" (about 8x16x16 cm)
but the batteries and case would easily double or triple that volume.

I have never used one of these, but I know they exist:

http://www.onsetcomp.com/Products/Pr...al_logger.html
It has a thermocouple input, a clock, and a voltage input that might

be
able to record a dry contact closure to record the presence of

trains.
Getting the contact closure is left as an exercise for the reader.

All of this does assume that you have permission to hook things up on
the tracks. Otherwise the railroad will probably react badly to
unidentified boxes with wires hooked up to their track.

Matt Roberds


Thanks for your help Matt!

John



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