Ah yes, that topic that is dredged up again and again (frequently by me!).

We had some discussions on whether the fare caps would be the same price
as Travelcards, given that Oyster Prepay is not yet valid on most
National Rail services. The latest set of Mayor's Q&As (15 Dec) on the
GLA site has an answer to that very question.

http://mqt.london.gov.uk//public/question.do?id=9496

"Oyster Pre Pay daily caps will be set at Travelcard prices with one
exception. The cap for zone 1-6 travel after 9:30 am and all day on
weekends and holidays will be £5.70 - 30p less than the corresponding
Travelcard price. Although Oyster Pre Pay is not valid on National Rail,
except for inter-available routes, 74% of customers buying one-day
Travelcards from TfL use only TfL services. Adhering to Travelcard
prices is preferable to adding one more set of price points to an
already too complicated fare structure.I hope that Train operating
companies will adopt Oyster smart card ticketing as soon as possible."

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

If every journey on a particular day is by bus, or Tramlink, it would
not seem unreasonable to cap at the price of a bus pass, but I have not
heard of any intention to do this.

wrote:
If every journey on a particular day is by bus, or Tramlink, it would
not seem unreasonable to cap at the price of a bus pass, but I have not
heard of any intention to do this.

I believe that *is* planned. The quote I gave was the answer to the
following question:

"Given that it is unlikely that national rail in London will be part of
the TfL fare structure by the time Oyster Pre-Pay capping is expected to
be activated, what 'travelcard' price points do you expect to offer on
Oyster Pre-Pay cards given that, unlike magnetic tickets, Oyster Pre-Pay
will still not be valid on national rail journeys in London?"

It just asks about Travelcards, in reference to National Rail.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

As 2005 moves to 06, 07 and on and on Fare capping still hasn't arrived!





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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:15:17 +0000, Abc Xyz wrote:

As 2005 moves to 06, 07 and on and on Fare capping still hasn't arrived!

Well as simple things like 1-day travel cards and reimbursing pre-pay
fares when a travelcard is purchased are still beyond them - how can you
expect prepay?

"steve" wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:15:17 +0000, Abc Xyz wrote:

As 2005 moves to 06, 07 and on and on Fare capping still hasn't arrived!

Well as simple things like 1-day travel cards and reimbursing pre-pay
fares when a travelcard is purchased are still beyond them - how can you
expect prepay?


8 days into 2005 it's apparently nearly 2006, glad I brought those Xmas
cards cheap in the sales!

Prepay does work (99.9% of the time anyway), it's just the capping that
needs further testing

Robin Mayes wrote:

Prepay does work (99.9% of the time anyway), it's just the capping that
needs further testing

You're trying to make out that the issue is of little relevance. When the
whole thing Oystercard thing announced, one of the ideas behind pre-pay was
the convenience of capping. Over a year later the product still hasn't been
delivered with no indication of when it will be with us.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

steve wrote:

Well as simple things like 1-day travel cards and reimbursing pre-pay
fares when a travelcard is purchased are still beyond them - how can you
expect prepay?

Or better still if you clock up in one day more on your pre-pay than the
cost the Travelcard you could have bought, TfL have to refund you back the
difference!

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Dave Arquati wrote:

Ah yes, that topic that is dredged up again and again (frequently by me!).

We had some discussions on whether the fare caps would be the same price
as Travelcards, given that Oyster Prepay is not yet valid on most
National Rail services. The latest set of Mayor's Q&As (15 Dec) on the
GLA site has an answer to that very question.

http://mqt.london.gov.uk//public/question.do?id=9496

"Oyster Pre Pay daily caps will be set at Travelcard prices with one
exception. The cap for zone 1-6 travel after 9:30 am and all day on
weekends and holidays will be £5.70 - 30p less than the corresponding
Travelcard price.

In the meantime, I see no reason why fare capping for one day bus passes
can't be introduced at least as temporary measure until the mess is sorted
out with Travelcards. Clocking up a series of bus journeys at 80p (£1.00
for am peak after late February) until a £3.00 ceiling limit is reached is
hardly rocket science.....

Although Oyster Pre Pay is not valid on National Rail,
except for inter-available routes, 74% of customers buying one-day
Travelcards from TfL use only TfL services. Adhering to Travelcard
prices is preferable to adding one more set of price points to an
already too complicated fare structure.I hope that Train operating
companies will adopt Oyster smart card ticketing as soon as possible."

Better still for the TOCs to adopt a zone to zone fare structure rather
than point to point bringing it in line with LUL.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

--- Phil Richards said...


Better still for the TOCs to adopt a zone to zone fare structure
rather
than point to point bringing it in line with LUL.

And even better still for LUL to adopt point-to-point instead of all
that zone nonsense.