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Nigel January 16th 05 09:18 PM

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Can anyone please tell me - Is the Watford Curve ever used from the
Rickmansworth end, this is the curve with the short tunnel, are trains
ever run from Amersham to Watford, or vive versa?

Nigel

Matt Wheeler January 16th 05 09:38 PM

Metropilitan Watford Curve
 

"Nigel " wrote in message
...
Can anyone please tell me - Is the Watford Curve ever used from the
Rickmansworth end, this is the curve with the short tunnel, are
trains
ever run from Amersham to Watford, or vive versa?


Yeah.

Looking at the "first/last times" info for the Met on the Tube
website, Mon-Sat there is a train at 5:19 from Chesham that runs to
Watford, arriving at 5:45.
There may be some more slightly later on.
Plus, at the end of the day, there is a train from Watford at 0050 to
Rickmansworth, 0058.

There are also some early on Sunday.

http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/first...tropolitan.pdf



General Von Clinkerhoffen January 16th 05 09:41 PM

Metropilitan Watford Curve
 
Yes trains do use that, but there is no regular service from Amersham to
Watford, although they may have to use that route in an emergency.

Nigel wrote:

Can anyone please tell me - Is the Watford Curve ever used from the
Rickmansworth end, this is the curve with the short tunnel, are trains
ever run from Amersham to Watford, or vive versa?

Nigel


Rob January 17th 05 04:14 PM

Metropilitan Watford Curve
 
Does this put the a stock back to front?


Adrian January 17th 05 04:18 PM

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rob ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

Does this put the a stock back to front?


Erm, they're double-ended, aren't they?

They certainly don't turn 'em round at any of the terminus stations...

Rob January 17th 05 05:23 PM

Metropilitan Watford Curve
 
i mean they have a dedicated north end and a dedicated south end. This
is for coupling reasons.


Adrian January 17th 05 06:16 PM

Metropilitan Watford Curve
 
rob ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

i mean they have a dedicated north end and a dedicated south end. This
is for coupling reasons.


Really? You live and learn. What's the difference?

Jack Taylor January 17th 05 06:48 PM

Metropilitan Watford Curve
 

"Adrian" wrote in message
. 1.4...
rob ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

Does this put the a stock back to front?


Erm, they're double-ended, aren't they?


The Met runs everything, apart from the Chesham shuttle, as 8-car units with
(IIRC) the A-ends outermost. So it makes no difference which way round the
8-car set is.



TheOneKEA January 17th 05 07:15 PM

Metropilitan Watford Curve
 
Adrian wrote:
rob ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Does this put the a stock back to front?


Erm, they're double-ended, aren't they?

They certainly don't turn 'em round at any of the terminus
stations...


At one time, all A60 and A62 units were double ended - IOW, both cabs
could be used in passenger service. The conversion to OPO and the
robbing of some cabs for spares has led to all but approx. 25-30 units
becoming single ended, meaning they have only one cab that can be used
in passenger service. Of the remaining double ended units, OPO
circuitry has meant that the couplers are no longer fully reversible,
preventing double ended units from coupling wrong-ended (i.e. A to A or
D to D). Other than that, they retain the flexibility of any double
ended unit and can be turned end-for-end on the Watford Triangle and
still be driven in the correct way.


Adrian January 17th 05 07:44 PM

Metropilitan Watford Curve
 
TheOneKEA ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Does this put the a stock back to front?


Erm, they're double-ended, aren't they?

They certainly don't turn 'em round at any of the terminus
stations...


At one time, all A60 and A62 units were double ended - IOW, both cabs
could be used in passenger service. The conversion to OPO and the
robbing of some cabs for spares has led to all but approx. 25-30 units
becoming single ended, meaning they have only one cab that can be used
in passenger service. Of the remaining double ended units, OPO
circuitry has meant that the couplers are no longer fully reversible,
preventing double ended units from coupling wrong-ended (i.e. A to A or
D to D). Other than that, they retain the flexibility of any double
ended unit and can be turned end-for-end on the Watford Triangle and
still be driven in the correct way.


You've lost me.

Both ends of a "Met train" *must* work - because they drive 'em from one
end heading into Baker St from the sticks, and the other end heading back
to civilisation from town.

So what's the difference between the driver's end heading North and the
driver's end heading South that would mean that there's a "right" and a
"wrong" way round?

Matt Wheeler January 17th 05 08:49 PM

Metropilitan Watford Curve
 

"Adrian" wrote in message
. 1.4...
TheOneKEA ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they
were saying :

Does this put the a stock back to front?


Erm, they're double-ended, aren't they?

They certainly don't turn 'em round at any of the terminus
stations...


At one time, all A60 and A62 units were double ended - IOW, both
cabs
could be used in passenger service. The conversion to OPO and the
robbing of some cabs for spares has led to all but approx. 25-30
units
becoming single ended, meaning they have only one cab that can be
used
in passenger service. Of the remaining double ended units, OPO
circuitry has meant that the couplers are no longer fully
reversible,
preventing double ended units from coupling wrong-ended (i.e. A to
A or
D to D). Other than that, they retain the flexibility of any double
ended unit and can be turned end-for-end on the Watford Triangle
and
still be driven in the correct way.


You've lost me.

Both ends of a "Met train" *must* work - because they drive 'em from
one
end heading into Baker St from the sticks, and the other end heading
back
to civilisation from town.

So what's the difference between the driver's end heading North and
the
driver's end heading South that would mean that there's a "right"
and a
"wrong" way round?


What he's trying to explain is that each 8 car Met line train, is
actually 2x 4 car units connected together. On the majority, the
"centre" cabs are restricted use, and as such aren't painted with red
ends. (ie can only really be used for depot shunting).
There are a few units, specifically for the Chesham branch and East
London Line, which have both ends of the 4 cabs suitable for passenger
usage. As there are more than are required for the Chesham and East
London lines, you can often see the 8 car units running around with 1
red cab in the middle, opposite an unpainted one.



Kevin Bean January 17th 05 10:06 PM

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"Adrian" wrote in message
. 1.4...

Really? You live and learn. What's the difference?


The maps inside the trains ?

...... or am I wrong ?



John Rowland January 17th 05 11:15 PM

Metropilitan Watford Curve
 
"Kevin Bean" wrote in message
...
"Adrian" wrote in message
. 1.4...

Really? You live and learn. What's the difference?


The maps inside the trains ?

..... or am I wrong ?


Yes. The line guides in A Stock are transverse, i.e. they face you when you
look down the length of the train.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes




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