Route 73 to go DD and Route 29 to go Bendi???
 

Apparently it has been reported in other newsgroup forums that Route
73 is to revert back to being a double deck bus route and the bendis
redeployed on the Route 29, does anyone know whether any truth exists
in this story or is it just mere speculation. If it does revert it
will be interesting what reason is given, I suspect bendi buses
running the whole length of Oxford Street has been a major problem
along with the buses being backed to capacity in the morning peak.

Martin

Route 73 to go DD and Route 29 to go Bendi???
 

On 6 Feb 2005 12:22:30 -0800, (Martin Whelton)
wrote:

Apparently it has been reported in other newsgroup forums that Route
73 is to revert back to being a double deck bus route and the bendis
redeployed on the Route 29, does anyone know whether any truth exists
in this story or is it just mere speculation. If it does revert it
will be interesting what reason is given, I suspect bendi buses
running the whole length of Oxford Street has been a major problem
along with the buses being backed to capacity in the morning peak.

aha - it's on the Routemaster Exchange

There is a consultation under way concerning changes to routes 29 and
141 and one of the options involves converting the 29 to artic. However
no conclusion has been reached and reported on. The 73 change is the
first I've heard of it. Personally this sounds a bit like wishful
thinking as the route 29 PVR is only 35 vehicles while the bendy 73 has
42

Therefore there would be a surplus of bendies as the 29 proposal
involves cutting the section north of Wood Green which would mean even
fewer buses being needed. As one of the key justifications of bendy
operation is fewer vehicles for a given capacity it really makes no
sense to move them from the 73 to the 29. In addition there is the
whole "face saving" thing where I doubt that TfL would wish to "admit
defeat" by moving bendies off the 73. It would also blow a hole in the
argument for converting other busy routes like the 12 and 38 to bendy
operation.

As a double deck 73 would need more buses than the old RM operation
(i.e. more than 55) then where will be the extra 20 odd buses come from
to top up the buses made available from the 29 going bendy? TfL simply
don't have the money to fund new buses on this sort of scale.

As I said wishful thinking on the part of whoever started the story
although I expect the residents of Stoke Newington wouldn't mind getting
double decks back on the 73.
--
Paul C


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Route 73 to go DD and Route 29 to go Bendi???
 

In article ,
(Martin Whelton) wrote:

Apparently it has been reported in other newsgroup forums that Route
73 is to revert back to being a double deck bus route and the bendis
redeployed on the Route 29, does anyone know whether any truth exists
in this story or is it just mere speculation.

Pity if it does turn out to be speculation. The bendies are a complete
nightmare for cyclists on Euston Road from King's Cross and turning left
into Judd Street.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Route 73 to go DD and Route 29 to go Bendi???
 

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:17:31 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On 6 Feb 2005 12:22:30 -0800, (Martin Whelton)
wrote:
Apparently it has been reported in other newsgroup forums that Route
73 is to revert back to being a double deck bus route and the bendis
redeployed on the Route 29

As I said wishful thinking on the part of whoever started the story
although I expect the residents of Stoke Newington wouldn't mind getting
double decks back on the 73.

I'm curious: why do you mention the residents of SN in particular?
What about all the other areas and people along the 73 route?

Surely SN has more than one bus service! ;-)

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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...

The bendies are a complete
nightmare for cyclists on Euston Road from King's Cross and turning left
into Judd Street.

At least something good's come out of them, then!

;-)

Ian

Route 73 to go DD and Route 29 to go Bendi???
 

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:05:59 +0000, Jason wrote:

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:17:31 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On 6 Feb 2005 12:22:30 -0800, (Martin Whelton)
wrote:
Apparently it has been reported in other newsgroup forums that Route
73 is to revert back to being a double deck bus route and the bendis
redeployed on the Route 29

As I said wishful thinking on the part of whoever started the story
although I expect the residents of Stoke Newington wouldn't mind getting
double decks back on the 73.

I'm curious: why do you mention the residents of SN in particular?
What about all the other areas and people along the 73 route?

Well depends what bit of Stoke Newington. I was referring to the Church
St, Albion Rd, Newington Green section where the 73 is the main bus
route. Yes there is the 476 and 393 and yes you get other buses at
Newington Green but a large part of the 73's patronage is from the Stoke
Newington area. Once past Mildmay Park you get the 38 and 56 helping
out. The most vocal complaints have come from Stoke Newington if you
look at the various websites that were set up to save the RMs or else
moan about the bendy version of the 73.

Surely SN has more than one bus service! ;-)

Yes - see above.
--
Paul C


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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...

There is a consultation under way concerning
changes to routes 29 and 141

Is this a consultation that the public can contribute to?

While we're on the subject of Green Lanes, I wonder if TfL could pay for
some infomercials about box junction law to be broadcast on London Greek
Radio. I'm tired of getting beeped at by the car behind every time I
correctly observe a box junction in a Greek area. It never happens in any
other part of London.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Route 73 to go DD and Route 29 to go Bendi???
 

"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...

There is a consultation under way concerning
changes to routes 29 and 141

Is this a consultation that the public can contribute to?

While we're on the subject of Green Lanes, I wonder if TfL could pay for
some infomercials about box junction law to be broadcast on London Greek
Radio. I'm tired of getting beeped at by the car behind every time I
correctly observe a box junction in a Greek area. It never happens in any
other part of London.

It wouldn't hurt to broadcast the same on CentreComm either. I used to work
overlooking the box junction on Oxford Street / Portman Street and every
other cycle during the day it would be blocked eastbound by a London bus.

Dave.

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"John Rowland" wrote in message
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Is this a consultation that the public can contribute to?

Errrm, what scoundrel spoofed my identity, only to put a preposition at the
end of a sentence?

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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In article , John Rowland wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

Is this a consultation that the public can contribute to?

Errrm, what scoundrel spoofed my identity, only to put a preposition at the
end of a sentence?

That is the sort of thing up with which you will not put?

Niklas
--
"Oh, now, Ket. That's not nice. You shouldn't kick a man when his fiscal
strategy is failing. You should knife him."
-- Mikhael

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"Niklas Karlsson" wrote in message
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That is the sort of thing up with which you will not put?

You should *never* use a preposition to end a sentence with.

Ian

Route 73 to go DD and Route 29 to go Bendi???
 

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:50:50 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote:

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
.. .

There is a consultation under way concerning
changes to routes 29 and 141

Is this a consultation that the public can contribute to?

I was only made aware of it via a LOTS publication. To give you the
gist here is a summary of the two options. I would expect that the
relevant stakeholders such as Haringey and Camden Councils are the
people being consulted.

Option 1 is as follows

21 extended via 141 as far as Newington Green
29 Withdrawn north of Wood Green and converted to artic.
141 Extended north of Wood Green to Palmers Green to replace the 29.
329 Frequencies reduced.
N29 Withdrawn between Enfield Town and Ponders End and converted to
artic.

Option 2 is as follows

21 Extended to Newington Green via route 141.
29 Withdrawn north of Wood Green. LFDD operation retained. Frequency
increased.
141, 329 No change to these routes.
429 A new number for the sectional part of the current 29 between Camden
Town and Palmers Green.
N29 Withdrawn beyond Enfield Town. LFDD operation retained.


HTH

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Route 73 to go DD and Route 29 to go Bendi???
 

On 6 Feb 2005 12:22:30 -0800, (Martin Whelton)
said:

Apparently it has been reported in other newsgroup forums that Route
73 is to revert back to being a double deck bus route and the bendis
redeployed on the Route 29, does anyone know whether any truth exists
in this story or is it just mere speculation. If it does revert it
will be interesting what reason is given, I suspect bendi buses
running the whole length of Oxford Street has been a major problem
along with the buses being backed to capacity in the morning peak.

They cause untold chaos at the junction of New Oxford St and
Bloomsbury St, and it seems to me that the area around Victoria bus
station has got snarled up a lot more often since the hateful things
were introduced.

--
David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

Route 73 to go DD and Route 29 to go Bendi???
 

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:31:09 -0000, Ian F. wrote:

"Niklas Karlsson" wrote in message
...

That is the sort of thing up with which you will not put?

You should *never* use a preposition to end a sentence with.

And never start a sentence with a conjunction.

Route 73 to go DD and Route 29 to go Bendi???
 

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On 6 Feb 2005 12:22:30 -0800, (Martin Whelton)
said:

Apparently it has been reported in other newsgroup forums that Route
73 is to revert back to being a double deck bus route and the bendis
redeployed on the Route 29, does anyone know whether any truth exists
in this story or is it just mere speculation. If it does revert it
will be interesting what reason is given, I suspect bendi buses
running the whole length of Oxford Street has been a major problem
along with the buses being backed to capacity in the morning peak.

They cause untold chaos at the junction of New Oxford St and
Bloomsbury St, and it seems to me that the area around Victoria bus
station has got snarled up a lot more often since the hateful things
were introduced.

All modern buses seem to have problems with the right turn from Bloomsbury
Street, with its bus lane on the right, into New Oxford Street with its
bus lane on the left, hemmed in by an island. The RMs seemed not to have
the problems but they ended with the 73 conversion. The remaining RMs
there take the New Oxford St lane straight on there.

--
Colin Rosenstiel