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James Farrar February 13th 05 12:06 AM

Imperial College (was 02-28-2005 at Moorgate)
 
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:07 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Colin Rosenstiel
wrote:

In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

The Imperial branding people specified that it must not be called
ICL


In my day UCCA called it Limp. :-)



*laughs*


I still dunno what I'm going to do when Southside shuts. They had Old Tom
on tap today.

Dave Arquati February 13th 05 12:45 AM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
James Farrar wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:07:26 +0000, Dave Arquati wrote:

Dave Newt wrote:

James Farrar wrote:

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:20:14 +0000, Dave Newt
wrote:

It's hardly far though - about a 4 minute walk from IC's [1] main
entrance. I used to quite like walking there down the back of
Southside, along the mews, right to the end where you cut
through the archway in the wall, and then turn L-R-L-R down to
where the Hans Place (?) side of Harrods is.

Another nice walk is via the churchyard at the back of Brompton
Oratory.


I lived in Linstead for a year (lucky me) so that was my favoured
route out, of course.



I'll see your Linstead and raise you Fisher.



I lived in Fisher for a summer. That was bad enough... although it was
mostly the person I was sharing the room with that was the problem!


At least you didn't get your bed above the door.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Richard J. February 13th 05 12:56 AM

Imperial College (was 02-28-2005 at Moorgate)
 
Ian Tindale wrote:
Richard J. wrote:

Quite right too. Some of us have fond memories of a company called
ICL, 1968-2002.


Didn't they bring out a computer based on the QL, called the "One
born every minute" or something?


The OPD (One Per Desk), vintage 1984.
Details at http://web.onetel.com/~rodritab/shed16.htm and other sites.
Screen shots at http://www.whimsy.demon.co.uk/opd/ .
My memories of the OPD are a bit sub-fond, though.

--
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(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

John Rowland February 13th 05 01:39 AM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
"Dr John Stockton" wrote in message
...

.ic.ac.uk


Is that normally pronounced "Ick Ack Uck"?

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Ashley Brown February 13th 05 09:39 AM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
.ic.ac.uk
Is that normally pronounced "Ick Ack Uck"?


Yes, and the Department of Computing is doc.ic.ac.uk, "Dock Ick Ack
Uck". DoC also once had a server called hock.doc.ic.ac.uk, hence "Hock
Dock Ick Ack Uck".

--
Ashley

Mrs Redboots February 13th 05 11:55 AM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
John Rowland wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 13 Feb 2005:

"Dr John Stockton" wrote in message
...

.ic.ac.uk


Is that normally pronounced "Ick Ack Uck"?

According to my daughter, yes! She almost wished she'd gone there just
to have such a lovely e-mail address, and envied her friend, who had.
Of course, when her father was there, e-mail hadn't been invented!
--
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Website updated 23 January 2005 with new photos



Robin May February 13th 05 01:40 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
(Aidan Stanger) wrote the following in:


Where is the spiral staircase in the GLA building?


Pretty clearly visible in this pictu
http://www.go-london.gov.uk/greater_...ges/night1.jpg

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Aidan Stanger February 13th 05 01:40 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
Robin May wrote:

Dave Newt wrote the following in:


snip

Blimey, that all sounds a bit complicated. I wonder if the LSE has such
rules, I'm certainly not aware of them.

To be honest, I suspect the dropping of ST&M was mainly to raise
the profile of the Business School who just spunked 25 mil up
Norman Foster on a new building.


Someone kill that man, he is responsible for the atrocity that is the
central spiral staircase in the LSE library. He also designed the GLA
building which has a similar spiral staircase. Usually the purpose of a
staircase is for people to walk on it, but with the LSE one the main
purpose is so photos of it can be put in university publicity. I firmly
believe that the designer of these things has never tried to walk on
them.


Where is the spiral staircase in the GLA building?

Clive D. W. Feather February 13th 05 02:54 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
In article , Robin May
writes
The steps on the stairs are set at a distance which is about 1.5 times
that of a normal person's stride. This seems to be true for people of
all heights and leg lengths.


A well-designed stairway has two verticals plus one horizontal adding to
61cm. That is, in:

------+ A
+-+ :
| :
| :
| C~~~~~~D :
+--------+ :
+-+ :
| :
| :
| :
+--------+ B
+-+
|
|

the vertical distance AB plus the horizontal distance CD should be 61cm.
This matches the leg articulation for the average adult.

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James Farrar February 13th 05 04:35 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:30 +0000, Dave Arquati wrote:

James Farrar wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:07:26 +0000, Dave Arquati wrote:

Dave Newt wrote:

James Farrar wrote:

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:20:14 +0000, Dave Newt
wrote:

It's hardly far though - about a 4 minute walk from IC's [1] main
entrance. I used to quite like walking there down the back of
Southside, along the mews, right to the end where you cut
through the archway in the wall, and then turn L-R-L-R down to
where the Hans Place (?) side of Harrods is.

Another nice walk is via the churchyard at the back of Brompton
Oratory.


I lived in Linstead for a year (lucky me) so that was my favoured
route out, of course.


I'll see your Linstead and raise you Fisher.

I lived in Fisher for a summer. That was bad enough... although it
was mostly the person I was sharing the room with that was the problem!


At least you didn't get your bed above the door.


It's true; but on occasion, I did get woken up by the other two people in
the room (in a single bed, of course!)

James Farrar February 13th 05 04:38 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:39:23 +0000, Ashley Brown
wrote:

.ic.ac.uk

Is that normally pronounced "Ick Ack Uck"?


Yes, and the Department of Computing is doc.ic.ac.uk, "Dock Ick Ack
Uck". DoC also once had a server called hock.doc.ic.ac.uk, hence "Hock
Dock Ick Ack Uck".


I believe at one point the Computing departmental society (DoCSoc) had an
email address of Dock Sock at Dock Ick Ack Uck.

Ashley Brown February 13th 05 04:58 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
Yes, and the Department of Computing is doc.ic.ac.uk, "Dock Ick Ack
Uck". DoC also once had a server called hock.doc.ic.ac.uk, hence
"Hock Dock Ick Ack Uck".


I believe at one point the Computing departmental society (DoCSoc) had
an email address of Dock Sock at Dock Ick Ack Uck.


And they still do!

James Farrar February 13th 05 05:55 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:58:01 +0000, Ashley Brown
wrote:

Yes, and the Department of Computing is doc.ic.ac.uk, "Dock Ick Ack
Uck". DoC also once had a server called hock.doc.ic.ac.uk, hence
"Hock Dock Ick Ack Uck".

I believe at one point the Computing departmental society (DoCSoc) had
an email address of Dock Sock at Dock Ick Ack Uck.


And they still do!


I presumed they would, but thank you for confirming it. I've had no
dealings with DoCSoc since 1999...

Robin May February 13th 05 06:55 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
Robin May wrote the following in:


Dave Newt wrote the following in:


Robin May wrote:
Dave Newt wrote the following
in:
To be honest, I suspect the dropping of ST&M was mainly to raise
the profile of the Business School who just spunked 25 mil up
Norman Foster on a new building.


Someone kill that man, he is responsible for the atrocity that
is the central spiral staircase in the LSE library.


Oh, I quite liked it, but then I was shown around it a few days
before it, and that was more for the purposes of "look at our new
cool thing" rather than actually trying to get any books.


It looks very nice...


This photo might clear things up. As you can see, it looks nice but the
steps are very strangely designed, they're very long and not very tall.
http://images.fotopic.net/y5i839.jpg

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going to prison will give you a roof over your head and free meals.

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Richard J. February 13th 05 08:47 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article , Robin May
writes
The steps on the stairs are set at a distance which is about 1.5
times that of a normal person's stride. This seems to be true for
people of all heights and leg lengths.


A well-designed stairway has two verticals plus one horizontal
adding to 61cm. That is, in:

------+ A
+-+ :
| :
| :
| C~~~~~~D :
+--------+ :
+-+ :
| :
| :
| :
+--------+ B
+-+
|
|

the vertical distance AB plus the horizontal distance CD should be
61cm. This matches the leg articulation for the average adult.


Really? When exactly was this average leg articulation determined? Or
did someone make a rough guess of 2 ft some years ago, which sounds so
much more accurate when expressed to the nearest centimetre.

Excuse my cynicism; after writing the above, I measured both the
original Victorian staircase in my house and the newer one to our
6-year-old loft conversion. The old one, which doesn't feel quite
right, has AB+CD = 54cm, whereas the new one, which feels noticeably
better, measures .... 61cm!!

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)


Dave Newt February 13th 05 10:12 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
Mrs Redboots wrote:
John Rowland wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 13 Feb 2005:


"Dr John Stockton" wrote in message
...

.ic.ac.uk


Is that normally pronounced "Ick Ack Uck"?


According to my daughter, yes! She almost wished she'd gone there just
to have such a lovely e-mail address, and envied her friend, who had.
Of course, when her father was there, e-mail hadn't been invented!


Exactly! I spent about twelve years thinking how it would be cool to
have one and then when I finally got one, they rebranded it out of
existence! (They do still work though.)

Dave Arquati February 14th 05 04:07 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
Dave Newt wrote:
Mrs Redboots wrote:

John Rowland wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 13 Feb 2005:


"Dr John Stockton" wrote in message
...

.ic.ac.uk


Is that normally pronounced "Ick Ack Uck"?


According to my daughter, yes! She almost wished she'd gone there just
to have such a lovely e-mail address, and envied her friend, who had.
Of course, when her father was there, e-mail hadn't been invented!



Exactly! I spent about twelve years thinking how it would be cool to
have one and then when I finally got one, they rebranded it out of
existence! (They do still work though.)


But if you actually tell someone your email address as "at ick ack uck"
then they have no idea what you mean by "ick" unless they're at Imperial
too (and some people don't know what you mean by "ack" either!).

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Newt February 14th 05 07:04 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
Dave Arquati wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:

Mrs Redboots wrote:

John Rowland wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 13 Feb 2005:


"Dr John Stockton" wrote in message
...

.ic.ac.uk



Is that normally pronounced "Ick Ack Uck"?


According to my daughter, yes! She almost wished she'd gone there just
to have such a lovely e-mail address, and envied her friend, who had.
Of course, when her father was there, e-mail hadn't been invented!




Exactly! I spent about twelve years thinking how it would be cool to
have one and then when I finally got one, they rebranded it out of
existence! (They do still work though.)



But if you actually tell someone your email address as "at ick ack uck"
then they have no idea what you mean by "ick" unless they're at Imperial
too (and some people don't know what you mean by "ack" either!).


Anyone who matters knows! :-)

Actually, I *hate* saying ick ack uck, I just like the visuals (maaaaan).

It's a darn site easier to make a typo when typing "imperial" than "ic"
too.

Tom Anderson February 14th 05 11:47 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
On 12 Feb 2005, Robin May wrote:

Dave Newt wrote the following in:


spunked 25 mil up Norman Foster


Someone kill that man, he is responsible for the atrocity that is the
central spiral staircase in the LSE library.


Oh, don't worry, he's in the line for gunishment - right behind Daniel
Libeskind.

tom

--
Restate my assumptions


Tom Anderson February 14th 05 11:52 PM

Imperial College (was 02-28-2005 at Moorgate)
 
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Dave Newt wrote:

Richard J. wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:

Richard J. wrote:

Some of us care deeply about commas, and are trying to work out
where this comma is supposed to go, or not go. How about an
explanation for the uninitiated?

It used to be called Imperial College, and was referred to as IC.
[...] However, this creates a false analogy with University College,
London, which has a comma in it and is commonly referred to as UCL.


On UCL's site www.ucl.ac.uk, they use UCL as the name almost
exclusively, even in the history ("175 years ago ... UCL was
founded"). Where the name is given in full, I haven't seen one
instance on their site where the comma is included.


You're right - they *must* have changed it. It always was with a comma.


There was a consultation about the name a few months ago: everyone got a
questionnaire with things like "How do refer to UCL to other people inside
it?", "Ditto but for people outside?", "What qualities do you associate
with the name?" and other inane marketroid nonsense. This was clearly
intended to provide input into some brand-sharpening exercise, so perhaps
that's when the comma was disappeared.

tom

--
Restate my assumptions


Colin Rosenstiel February 15th 05 12:08 AM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
In article ,
(Thomas Crame) wrote:

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...
Thomas Crame wrote:
"Brimstone" wrote in message
...
The "memorial", if you want one, is in daily use all over the
system. It's know as "Moorgate Control".

It's actually called TETS Protection (Trains Entering Terminal
Stations).


Is that just within LU or in the wider railway operating world as
well?


Pass. TETS is the official designation within LU and all the
Engineering Standards. It's a variation on TES (Trains Entering
Sidings) which pre-dated the Moorgate crash.


But presumably resulted from the first Tooting siding smash?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Chris Tolley February 15th 05 01:46 AM

Imperial College (was 02-28-2005 at Moorgate)
 
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:52:17 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:

"How do refer to UCL to other people inside it?", "Ditto but for
people outside?", "What qualities do you associate with the name?"


I suppose they'd have been annoyed if you said they were ucly
qualities...

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Clive D. W. Feather February 15th 05 01:04 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
In article , Richard
J. writes
A well-designed stairway has two verticals plus one horizontal
adding to 61cm. That is, in:


Really? When exactly was this average leg articulation determined? Or
did someone make a rough guess of 2 ft some years ago, which sounds so
much more accurate when expressed to the nearest centimetre.


I read about it in Scientific American at least 25 years ago, possibly
more. So you'll have to do your own research beyond that.

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Steve Fitzgerald February 18th 05 09:20 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
In message , Thomas
Crame writes

The "memorial", if you want one, is in daily use all over the system. It's
know as "Moorgate Control".


It's actually called TETS Protection (Trains Entering Terminal Stations).


Good God, LU using 4 letter acronyms? That will never catch on ;-)
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Colin Rosenstiel February 19th 05 12:37 AM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
In article , ] (Steve
Fitzgerald) wrote:

It's actually called TETS Protection (Trains Entering Terminal

Stations).

Good God, LU using 4 letter acronyms? That will never catch on ;-)


ETLAs, you mean?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Clive Coleman February 22nd 05 02:14 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
This matches the leg articulation for the average adult.

So what's the average adult? Male? Female? Stride length?
--
Clive.

Clive Coleman February 22nd 05 03:29 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
In message , Dave Newt
writes
Exactly! I spent about twelve years thinking how it would be cool to
have one and then when I finally got one, they rebranded it out of
existence! (They do still work though.)

Cool. Now there's a word that means you're either over 60 when it was
first used or under 25 now. What goes around, comes around.
--
Clive.

Clive Coleman February 22nd 05 03:31 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
In message , Dave Arquati
writes
(and some people don't know what you mean by "ack" either!).

It means you're about to be sick.
--
Clive.

Dave Newt February 22nd 05 07:47 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
Clive Coleman wrote:
In message , Dave Newt
writes

Exactly! I spent about twelve years thinking how it would be cool to
have one and then when I finally got one, they rebranded it out of
existence! (They do still work though.)


Cool. Now there's a word that means you're either over 60 when it was
first used or under 25 now. What goes around, comes around.


Neither, actually.

Should I have said "groovy"?

Dude...

Colin Rosenstiel February 26th 05 11:14 AM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
In article , (Dave Arquati)
wrote:

But if you actually tell someone your email address as "at ick ack uck"
then they have no idea what you mean by "ick" unless they're at
Imperial too (and some people don't know what you mean by "ack"
either!).


Either that or they have been using the internet for longer than most
people. i've no connection with Imperial but know that term of old.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Thomas Crame February 28th 05 10:53 PM

02-28-2005 at Moorgate
 
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Thomas Crame) wrote:

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...
Thomas Crame wrote:
"Brimstone" wrote in message
...
The "memorial", if you want one, is in daily use all over the
system. It's know as "Moorgate Control".

It's actually called TETS Protection (Trains Entering Terminal
Stations).

Is that just within LU or in the wider railway operating world as
well?


Pass. TETS is the official designation within LU and all the
Engineering Standards. It's a variation on TES (Trains Entering
Sidings) which pre-dated the Moorgate crash.


But presumably resulted from the first Tooting siding smash?


The second, actually. The first was considered such a one off they
thought it would never happen again, only to be proved wrong 11 years
later. Then the plan to install speed controlled trainstops in tunnel
sidings started, only to be extended to outdoor sidings after an
accident in Rayners Lane siding in 1972. Of course, no-one ever
thought a driver would fail to stop in a terminal platform, yet thirty
years ago today the unthinkable did happen.


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