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Boltar wrote:
Call me a cynic but I can't help thinking that flip up seats are
probably a lot cheaper than the real thing though I'm sure this
in no way would influence their decision , no no, not at all.

IMO flip up seats are more expensive than normal fixed seats - they
move and hence need more maintenance, they require more spares to be
kept vs. having all fixed seats, and they require more space - you
can't house equipment under them.

A cheaper option would be perch seats, which one leans against. The
Jubilee 1996 stock has these in place of the Northern 1995's flip ups,
which often seem to have broken springs and don't return to upright.

The perch seats are unusable by people of normal height.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article . com,
() wrote:


Boltar wrote:

Call me a cynic but I can't help thinking that flip up seats are
probably a lot cheaper than the real thing though I'm sure this
in no way would influence their decision , no no, not at all.

IMO flip up seats are more expensive than normal fixed seats - they
move and hence need more maintenance, they require more spares to be
kept vs. having all fixed seats, and they require more space - you
can't house equipment under them.

A cheaper option would be perch seats, which one leans against. The
Jubilee 1996 stock has these in place of the Northern 1995's flip ups,
which often seem to have broken springs and don't return to upright.


The perch seats are unusable by people of normal height.

I second that for the Piccadilly line. The only vaguely usable ones are
the car-end ones, but they're still not particularly comfortable.
Standing is far more comfortable than "perching".

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

The perch seats are unusable by people of normal height.

I second that for the Piccadilly line. The only vaguely usable ones
are the car-end ones, but they're still not particularly comfortable.
Standing is far more comfortable than "perching".

Only for people who have two good legs and/or are not pregnant etc.

Brimstone wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:


The perch seats are unusable by people of normal height.

I second that for the Piccadilly line. The only vaguely usable ones
are the car-end ones, but they're still not particularly comfortable.
Standing is far more comfortable than "perching".


Only for people who have two good legs and/or are not pregnant etc.

Fair enough.

Of course, for those people, an actual seat is probably far superior, be
it tip-up or not.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article . com,
() wrote:


Boltar wrote:

Call me a cynic but I can't help thinking that flip up seats are
probably a lot cheaper than the real thing though I'm sure this
in no way would influence their decision , no no, not at all.

IMO flip up seats are more expensive than normal fixed seats - they
move and hence need more maintenance, they require more spares to be
kept vs. having all fixed seats, and they require more space - you
can't house equipment under them.

A cheaper option would be perch seats, which one leans against. The
Jubilee 1996 stock has these in place of the Northern 1995's flip ups,
which often seem to have broken springs and don't return to upright.


The perch seats are unusable by people of normal height.

I'm taller than average, which is probably why I'd prefer a perch seat
to standing.
--
Michael Hoffman

In article , lid
(Michael Hoffman) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article . com,
() wrote:

Boltar wrote:

Call me a cynic but I can't help thinking that flip up seats are
probably a lot cheaper than the real thing though I'm sure this
in no way would influence their decision , no no, not at all.

IMO flip up seats are more expensive than normal fixed seats - they
move and hence need more maintenance, they require more spares to be
kept vs. having all fixed seats, and they require more space - you
can't house equipment under them.

A cheaper option would be perch seats, which one leans against. The
Jubilee 1996 stock has these in place of the Northern 1995's flip ups,
which often seem to have broken springs and don't return to upright.

The perch seats are unusable by people of normal height.

I'm taller than average, which is probably why I'd prefer a perch seat
to standing.

Our experiences are different then.

--
Colin Rosenstiel