"Rich Mallard" wrote in message
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From:
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/ne..._the_buses.php

Terror on the buses
By Linda Piper


A COMMUTER has described how he was caught up in a riot of drunken
teenagers
on his way home from work.

And in nearby Dartford:

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/4303825.stm

Passengers using the Gravesend to Dartford railway line in Kent are
having
to travel on shorter trains because of vandalism at the weekend.

Six trains were out of commission on Monday after suffering damage estimated
at £6,000.

The worst damage occurred on Saturday night when youths travelling on four
trains between the two towns smashed 102 windows from inside the carriages.

Another 71 windows were smashed on two more trains using the same line.

Two youths were arrested by Kent Police after a train was stopped outside
Northfleet station.

Officers said they were searching for another four people.

South Eastern Trains warned passengers to expect short notice alterations
and delays on some of its services as a result of the vandalism.

So that's 173 windows smashed at the weekend? What the hell is happening
around here???

Rich

Rich Mallard wrote:

So that's 173 windows smashed at the weekend? What the hell is
happening
around here???

Seen the same in the West Midlands. On one occaision a bus was
effectively demolished. This was witnessed by a number of other
customers who wrere too afraid to do anything. Despite those on board
camera's no-one ever seems to get punished or publicly made an example
of. I suspect this maybe because the culprits are juveniles.

How much damage will it take before our society takes notice of what is
going on and stands up to it?

Rather than trying to talk nicely to them, perhaps we should have
regime where you get one chance. Do it again and off with your
******** or something.

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Rich Mallard wrote:

So that's 173 windows smashed at the weekend? What the hell is
happening
around here???

Seen the same in the West Midlands. On one occaision a bus was
effectively demolished. This was witnessed by a number of other
customers who wrere too afraid to do anything. Despite those on board
camera's no-one ever seems to get punished or publicly made an example
of. I suspect this maybe because the culprits are juveniles.

I think the trouble is the kids know that the police/authorities etc don't
take this sufficiently seriously. They know they will probably get away
with it (and let's face it - they're right).

How much damage will it take before our society takes notice of what is
going on and stands up to it?

When there is a rise in vigilantism in reaction to it (then all of a sudden
it will be a priority).

Rather than trying to talk nicely to them, perhaps we should have
regime where you get one chance. Do it again and off with your
******** or something.

They are a product and reflection of our society and of their parents.
They're not going to to be the offspring of wealthy, attentive parents, I
wager, but the offspring of the those parents who couldn't give a damn (and
have probably never talked to them nicely in their life). We need more
information before we can draw any conclusions about how to deal with it...
but actually catching the culprits would be a good start!

Rich

They are a product and reflection of our society and of their parents.
They're not going to to be the offspring of wealthy, attentive parents, I
wager, but the offspring of the those parents who couldn't give a damn
(and have probably never talked to them nicely in their life). We need
more information before we can draw any conclusions about how to deal with
it... but actually catching the culprits would be a good start!

It's societies fault. It's their parent's fault. It's the environment's
fault. It's the school system's fault. It's everybody's and everything's
bloody fault but it's not their fault.

With attitudes like that, no wonder many kids are like they are.

Funny, when we used to beat the crap outta kids who did this sort of thing,
kids didn't do this sort of thing.

I've a feeling that there's a correlation in there somewhere.


--
Cheers
Roger T.

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"Roger T." wrote in
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Funny, when we used to beat the crap outta kids who did this sort of
thing, kids didn't do this sort of thing.

So, back in the good old days of social utopia, which kids did we 'beat the
crap' out of, if kids didn't do 'this sort of thing'?
Or did we use to beat the crap out of them all, just in case they might
have otherwise become kids who did this sort of thing? Institutional
physical abuse as a cure for society's ills... Not a particularly
attractive society, IMHO.

Rick.

"Rick Hughes" wrote in message
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"Roger T." wrote in
landnet.com:

Funny, when we used to beat the crap outta kids who did this sort of
thing, kids didn't do this sort of thing.

So, back in the good old days of social utopia, which kids did we 'beat
the
crap' out of, if kids didn't do 'this sort of thing'?
Or did we use to beat the crap out of them all, just in case they might
have otherwise become kids who did this sort of thing? Institutional
physical abuse as a cure for society's ills... Not a particularly
attractive society, IMHO.

I also think that the antisocial photographers referred to in another thread
would have been beaten at school - they were still being obnoxious.

Aaron

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:44:10 -0800, "Roger T."
wrote:

Funny, when we used to beat the crap outta kids who did this sort of thing,
kids didn't do this sort of thing.

It must have been some time ago. This morning I was reading news
reports about trains being attacked by stone throwers at Epsom - in
1905.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In article net.com
"Roger T." writes:

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Funny, when we used to beat the crap outta kids who did this sort of thing,
kids didn't do this sort of thing.

Oh yes they did, as you'll find by studying old newspaper reports. The
difference nowadays is that the population is higher so that factor
by itself tends to increase the amount of offenders even if the rate
stays stationary. Claims by parts of the press that "this sort of thing
never used to happen in the past [when our lot was in power]" are
nearly always contradicted by the the same newspaper's archives.
--
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:44:10 -0800, "Roger T."
wrote:



They are a product and reflection of our society and of their parents.
They're not going to to be the offspring of wealthy, attentive parents, I
wager, but the offspring of the those parents who couldn't give a damn
(and have probably never talked to them nicely in their life). We need
more information before we can draw any conclusions about how to deal with
it... but actually catching the culprits would be a good start!

It's societies fault. It's their parent's fault. It's the environment's
fault. It's the school system's fault. It's everybody's and everything's
bloody fault but it's not their fault.

With attitudes like that, no wonder many kids are like they are.

Funny, when we used to beat the crap outta kids who did this sort of thing,
kids didn't do this sort of thing.

I've a feeling that there's a correlation in there somewhere.

You should try reading some contemporary reports from the 1940s, both
during and after WW2. Vandalism and hooliganism did miraculously
appear some time in the 1980s.
--
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Nick Cooper wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:44:10 -0800, "Roger T."
wrote:



They are a product and reflection of our society and of their parents.
They're not going to to be the offspring of wealthy, attentive parents, I
wager, but the offspring of the those parents who couldn't give a damn
(and have probably never talked to them nicely in their life). We need
more information before we can draw any conclusions about how to deal with
it... but actually catching the culprits would be a good start!

It's societies fault. It's their parent's fault. It's the environment's
fault. It's the school system's fault. It's everybody's and everything's
bloody fault but it's not their fault.

With attitudes like that, no wonder many kids are like they are.

Funny, when we used to beat the crap outta kids who did this sort of thing,
kids didn't do this sort of thing.

I've a feeling that there's a correlation in there somewhere.

You should try reading some contemporary reports from the 1940s, both
during and after WW2. Vandalism and hooliganism did miraculously
appear some time in the 1980s.

I expect there's a NOT missing from your last paragraph. I'm old enough
to remember Teddy-Boys ripping up seats in the local cinema.... and
later, of course the sea-side battles between Mods and Rockers.
--
Kat