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Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
The gates at London Bridge on the National Rail platforms will let you
through with only prepay on an oystercard, but will not deduct any fare or resolve the jounry. The validators on platforms 5/6 must be used even if you have already touched in or out there. |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
"Matthew" wrote in message
... The gates at London Bridge on the National Rail platforms will let you through with only prepay on an oystercard, but will not deduct any fare or resolve the jounry. The validators on platforms 5/6 must be used even if you have already touched in or out there. That could be useful to know, if only to avoid putting my season ticket through the gates. Does anyone know the position with the gates/validators at Farringdon? A typical scenario is an occasional journey Brighton to Moorgate and return: 1. I use my National Rail season which is valid as far as City Thameslink. 2. At Farringdon I validate the prepay card on the platform (does it matter which platform I do this on?) and then 3. Change to the Underground for Moorgate. 4. At Moorgate I the prepay card lets me out through the gates. As far as I can see this all works as I would have expected, in both directions. HOWEVER, I once found that the delays on the underground at Farringdon were going to be excessive, & thus decided to leave the station and walk - but after I had validated the prepay card. The oystercard refused to let me through the ticket gates ... D A Stocks |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
.. .
The gates at London Bridge on the National Rail platforms will let you through with only prepay on an oystercard, but will not deduct any fare or resolve the journey. The validators on platforms 5/6 must be used even if you have already touched in or out there. That could be useful to know, if only to avoid putting my season ticket through the gates. Frequent use may well be monitored to stop "dumb-belling". Does anyone know the position with the gates/validators at Farringdon? A typical scenario is an occasional journey Brighton to Moorgate and return: 1. I use my National Rail season which is valid as far as City Thameslink. You are travelling without a valid ticket between City Thameslink and Farringdon. To combine a paper National Rail ticket and Oyster Prepay you must touch in where your paper ticket ends, at City Thameslink. 2. At Farringdon I validate the prepay card on the platform (does it matter which platform I do this on?) and then 3. Change to the Underground for Moorgate. 4. At Moorgate I the prepay card lets me out through the gates. As far as I can see this all works as I would have expected, in both directions. HOWEVER, I once found that the delays on the underground at Farringdon were going to be excessive, & thus decided to leave the station and walk - but after I had validated the prepay card. The oystercard refused to let me through the ticket gates ... Prepay requires a touch in and out, so your usual journey is valid between Farringdon & Moorgate. Just touching out at Farringdon would lead to an unresolved journey. |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
Matthew wrote: .. . The gates at London Bridge on the National Rail platforms will let you through with only prepay on an oystercard, but will not deduct any fare or resolve the journey. The validators on platforms 5/6 must be used even if you have already touched in or out there. That could be useful to know, if only to avoid putting my season ticket through the gates. Frequent use may well be monitored to stop "dumb-belling". What does 'dumb-belling' mean? Does anyone know the position with the gates/validators at Farringdon? A typical scenario is an occasional journey Brighton to Moorgate and return: 1. I use my National Rail season which is valid as far as City Thameslink. You are travelling without a valid ticket between City Thameslink and Farringdon. To combine a paper National Rail ticket and Oyster Prepay you must touch in where your paper ticket ends, at City Thameslink. 2. At Farringdon I validate the prepay card on the platform (does it matter which platform I do this on?) and then 3. Change to the Underground for Moorgate. 4. At Moorgate I the prepay card lets me out through the gates. Prepay requires a touch in and out, so your usual journey is valid between Farringdon & Moorgate. Just touching out at Farringdon would lead to an unresolved journey. Fascinating. So you'd have to get out at CT, go up to the ticket hall to touch in, then come back down again and get on another train for the 10 second journey to Farringdon? In that case I suppose the Farringdon validators are actually intended for people changing *onto* Thameslink, having used Prepay to get them there on the Tube (since otherwise you would be leaving the Tube without passing through a gateline). In fact I can't think of any way they could be used in the opposite direction (though I suppose someone might *theoretically* have e.g. a Brighton - Farringdon LU season...) In a way it's a shame, because the type of journey the OP mentioned would be extremely useful for me (given that Tube interchange at Elephant & Castle is such a faff!) Perhaps they should install validators on the trains... On a related note, has anyone ever tried using Prepay on the Kentish Town - E&C section of Thameslink? If so, were you charged Tube fares for doing so? |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
Rupert Candy wrote:
Matthew wrote: (snip) Does anyone know the position with the gates/validators at Farringdon? A typical scenario is an occasional journey Brighton to Moorgate and return: 1. I use my National Rail season which is valid as far as City Thameslink. You are travelling without a valid ticket between City Thameslink and Farringdon. To combine a paper National Rail ticket and Oyster Prepay you must touch in where your paper ticket ends, at City Thameslink. 2. At Farringdon I validate the prepay card on the platform (does it matter which platform I do this on?) and then 3. Change to the Underground for Moorgate. 4. At Moorgate I the prepay card lets me out through the gates. Prepay requires a touch in and out, so your usual journey is valid between Farringdon & Moorgate. Just touching out at Farringdon would lead to an unresolved journey. Fascinating. So you'd have to get out at CT, go up to the ticket hall to touch in, then come back down again and get on another train for the 10 second journey to Farringdon? In this case, yes. In that case I suppose the Farringdon validators are actually intended for people changing *onto* Thameslink, having used Prepay to get them there on the Tube (since otherwise you would be leaving the Tube without passing through a gateline). In fact I can't think of any way they could be used in the opposite direction (though I suppose someone might *theoretically* have e.g. a Brighton - Farringdon LU season...) Not really... you could have any National Rail ticket valid to Farringdon (e.g. a single from Luton to Farringdon) and then you would touch in on the validators with an Oyster in order to continue your journey on the Tube (e.g. to Whitechapel). -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
Dave Arquati wrote: Rupert Candy wrote: In that case I suppose the Farringdon validators are actually intended for people changing *onto* Thameslink, having used Prepay to get them there on the Tube (since otherwise you would be leaving the Tube without passing through a gateline). In fact I can't think of any way they could be used in the opposite direction (though I suppose someone might *theoretically* have e.g. a Brighton - Farringdon LU season...) Not really... you could have any National Rail ticket valid to Farringdon (e.g. a single from Luton to Farringdon) and then you would touch in on the validators with an Oyster in order to continue your journey on the Tube (e.g. to Whitechapel). I suppose so, but I wonder how many people in e.g. Luton realise that if they buy a ticket to "London" it won't be valid at Farringdon, so they have to buy a ticket to "Farringdon LU"? In other words, how many people would *correctly* use the validators for the journey you describe? (Obviously a rhetorical question.) IMHO the status of Farringdon as a non-London Terminal is a ridiculous anomaly that catches out large numbers of people who believe themselves to be holding a valid ticket. It's ridiculous that with my particular season ticket I can get off the train at City Thameslink or KXT (a good deal further on than Farringdon and no more of a "terminal" under non-blockade circumstances), but if I dare to get off at the station between them I risk a £10 penalty fare. Grr. |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
IMHO the status of Farringdon as a non-London Terminal is a ridiculous anomaly that catches out large numbers of people who believe themselves to be holding a valid ticket. It's ridiculous that with my particular season ticket I can get off the train at City Thameslink or KXT (a good deal further on than Farringdon and no more of a "terminal" under non-blockade circumstances), but if I dare to get off at the station between them I risk a £10 penalty fare. Grr. Kings Cross Thameslink is not a valid "London Terminal" for journeys from the south. From the Thameslink website: http://www.travelbuddy.info/main.php...id=6&page_id=9 "Customers travelling to London from the south, including the Brighton line and the Wimbledon – Sutton – Carshalton line, will continue to be issued with tickets with the destination “London Terminals” if travelling to London Bridge, Blackfriars or City Thameslink. Customers travelling to Farringdon or King's Cross Thameslink from the south will continue to receive tickets naming these specific stations." |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
On 25 Mar 2005 01:13:00 -0800, "Rupert Candy"
wrote: Matthew wrote: .. . The gates at London Bridge on the National Rail platforms will let you through with only prepay on an oystercard, but will not deduct any fare or resolve the journey. The validators on platforms 5/6 must be used even if you have already touched in or out there. That could be useful to know, if only to avoid putting my season ticket through the gates. Frequent use may well be monitored to stop "dumb-belling". What does 'dumb-belling' mean? "Dumb-belling" or short ticket fraud is where somebody uses passes valid solely at each end of a long journey to pass through gatelines. For example holding a Z1 travelcard and a Z6 travelcard, and making regular Z1-6 journeys. Gates can be set to monitor this with paper tickets, and I imagine on Oystercards too. |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
On 25 Mar 2005 16:01:45 -0800, "Rupert Candy"
wrote: Dave Arquati wrote: Rupert Candy wrote: In that case I suppose the Farringdon validators are actually intended for people changing *onto* Thameslink, having used Prepay to get them there on the Tube (since otherwise you would be leaving the Tube without passing through a gateline). In fact I can't think of any way they could be used in the opposite direction (though I suppose someone might *theoretically* have e.g. a Brighton - Farringdon LU season...) Not really... you could have any National Rail ticket valid to Farringdon (e.g. a single from Luton to Farringdon) and then you would touch in on the validators with an Oyster in order to continue your journey on the Tube (e.g. to Whitechapel). I suppose so, but I wonder how many people in e.g. Luton realise that if they buy a ticket to "London" it won't be valid at Farringdon, so they have to buy a ticket to "Farringdon LU"? In other words, how many people would *correctly* use the validators for the journey you describe? (Obviously a rhetorical question.) IMHO the status of Farringdon as a non-London Terminal is a ridiculous anomaly that catches out large numbers of people who believe themselves to be holding a valid ticket. It's ridiculous that with my particular season ticket I can get off the train at City Thameslink or KXT (a good deal further on than Farringdon and no more of a "terminal" under non-blockade circumstances), but if I dare to get off at the station between them I risk a £10 penalty fare. Grr. Actually this is a bit weird. I have several clients about the Farringdon area and so did specify Farringdon when going there pre-blockade. Still was inevitably given a London Terminals ticket. Now just get a Travel Card so I can free up my options. In the last couple of months I have also had some surprises WRT Farringdon KX travel. Returning in a group from an evening function at Clerkenwell in very inclement weather we used TL to KX then walked down the tunnels to KX underground for shelter, forgetting that that would mean that we would hit the Northern barriers at the other end. The TL tickets operated these with no problem. Then at the next function we found the weather just as bad and used the Circle line to return, expecting to pay extra at the barriers at KX. Nope, ML tickets were accepted by them Keith J Chesworth www.unseenlondon.co.uk www.blackpooltram.co.uk www.happysnapper.com www.boilerbill.com - main site www.amerseyferry.co.uk |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
Barry Salter wrote: On 25 Mar 2005 16:01:45 -0800, "Rupert Candy" wrote: I suppose so, but I wonder how many people in e.g. Luton realise that if they buy a ticket to "London" it won't be valid at Farringdon, so they have to buy a ticket to "Farringdon LU"? In other words, how many people would *correctly* use the validators for the journey you describe? (Obviously a rhetorical question.) In the normal course of events, tickets from stations between West Hampstead and Bedford (inclusive) *to* London should be issued to London Thameslink (NLC 4452), and are valid to stations from Kings Cross Thamelsink through to Moorgate, Elephant & Castle or London Bridge. Interesting, because the same isn't true on the southern section (presumably because of the more complex pattern of services/terminals) - if I buy a ticket to "London Terminals" at Herne Hill, it will be routed "Not Underground" (as you describe later on in your posting) and therefore (I suppose) not valid at Farringdon or KXT. But presumably it will be cheaper than a ticket to "London Thameslink". We've really opened a can of worms here. It's far more complex (and anomalous) than I thought. I honestly hadn't realised that KXT wasn't a "London Terminal". I'm glad I never tried to get out through the barriers there with my season... |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
On 26 Mar 2005 13:38:40 -0800, "Rupert Candy"
wrote: We've really opened a can of worms here. It's far more complex (and anomalous) than I thought. The situation is actually quite clear. It's set out in the National Fares Manual - check page A5 of this document: http://www.atoc.org/traveltrade/manu...iona-part1.pdf I honestly hadn't realised that KXT wasn't a "London Terminal". It is, but only if you're approaching from the north (and there isn't a blockade on). |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:24:28 +0000, Barry Salter
wrote: On 25 Mar 2005 16:01:45 -0800, "Rupert Candy" wrote: I suppose so, but I wonder how many people in e.g. Luton realise that if they buy a ticket to "London" it won't be valid at Farringdon, so they have to buy a ticket to "Farringdon LU"? In other words, how many people would *correctly* use the validators for the journey you describe? (Obviously a rhetorical question.) In the normal course of events, tickets from stations between West Hampstead and Bedford (inclusive) *to* London should be issued to London Thameslink (NLC 4452), and are valid to stations from Kings Cross Thamelsink through to Moorgate, Elephant & Castle or London Bridge. At the moment, such tickets (assuming they're not routed "Thameslink Only" or "Not Underground") are being accepted on London Underground services to Farringdon, Barbican, Moorgate, Blackfriars and London Bridge; and also on buses on routes 45 and 63. If you've got a ticket routed "Thameslink Only" or "Not Underground", however (e.g. easyJet promo, DaySave or Thameslink Partner's Card), you have to walk from St Pancras down to Kings Cross Thameslink (or get the Thameslink Assisted Travel Bus to City Thameslink) to continue your journey. HTH, Barry Thanks for that, it rather explains my previous post in this thread about the KX barriers accepting the tickets. Just wish that the RPI at KX (LU) knew about it - there when I queried the possibility I was told 'No way' Keith J Chesworth www.unseenlondon.co.uk www.blackpooltram.co.uk www.happysnapper.com www.boilerbill.com - main site www.amerseyferry.co.uk |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:04:20 +0100, Barry Salter
wrote: And, for completeness, the current list of stations valid for cross-London transfer on a through ticket (displaying the "Maltese Cross" marker, is as follows: Aldgate Embankment London Bridge Amersham Euston Marylebone Baker Street Euston Square Moorgate Balham Farringdon New Cross Gate Bank Finsbury Park Old Street Barking Greenwich Paddington Blackfriars Highbury & Islington Queens Park Blackhorse Road Kensington Olympia Richmond Canning Town Kentish Town Seven Sisters Cannon Street King's Cross/St Pancras Southwark Charing Cross Lancaster Gate Stratford Ealing Broadway Lewisham Tottenham Hale Edgware Road Limehouse Tower Hill Elephant & Castle Liverpool Street Upminster Apologies for pedantry but you've missed all the stations starting with "V" and "W" ! I only spotted it because my local station - Walthamstow Central - is also a transfer point. Therefore add on Vauxhall Waterloo West Hampstead Victoria West Brompton Wimbledon Walthamstow Central West Ham -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
Barry Salter wrote:
And, for completeness, the current list of stations valid for cross-London transfer on a through ticket (displaying the "Maltese Cross" marker, is as follows: Aldgate Embankment London Bridge Amersham Euston Marylebone Baker Street Euston Square Moorgate Balham Farringdon New Cross Gate Bank Finsbury Park Old Street Barking Greenwich Paddington Blackfriars Highbury & Islington Queens Park Blackhorse Road Kensington Olympia Richmond Canning Town Kentish Town Seven Sisters Cannon Street King's Cross/St Pancras Southwark Charing Cross Lancaster Gate Stratford Ealing Broadway Lewisham Tottenham Hale Edgware Road Limehouse Tower Hill Elephant & Castle Liverpool Street Upminster From the above, is it legitimate for a passenger travelling from, say, Aylesbury to Southend, to use LUL between Amersham and Upminster, or are passengers required to make maximum use of National Rail services? -- John Ray |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:44:04 +0100, John Ray wrote:
From the above, is it legitimate for a passenger travelling from, say, Aylesbury to Southend, to use LUL between Amersham and Upminster, It certainly looks that way, though why anyone would want to do that is a bit of a mystery. Presumably time to waste... Break of journey is, I think, something of an issue. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632911.html (Skye seen through mist and low cloud from Kyle of Lochalsh in 1999) |
KXT as a London Terminal
Matthew Dickinson wrote in
: Kings Cross Thameslink is not a valid "London Terminal" for journeys from the south. I agree with what you say, but when I asked for a ticket from East Dulwich to KXT I was given one to London Terminals. This was in Sept 04. Has something changed. Or was the staff member confused. -- Andrew Black andrewblack at despammed.com London |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:13:00 -0800, Rupert Candy wrote:
In that case I suppose the Farringdon validators are actually intended for people changing *onto* Thameslink, having used Prepay to get them there on the Tube (since otherwise you would be leaving the Tube without passing through a gateline). In fact I can't think of any way they could be used in the opposite direction (though I suppose someone might *theoretically* have e.g. a Brighton - Farringdon LU season...) Or a ticket from the north - Bedford - Farrington etc. Why is this such a strange thing? -- Everything I write here is my personal opinion, and should not be taken as fact. |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
In article . com,
Rupert Candy writes IMHO the status of Farringdon as a non-London Terminal is a ridiculous anomaly that catches out large numbers of people who believe themselves to be holding a valid ticket. It's ridiculous that with my particular season ticket I can get off the train at City Thameslink or KXT (a good deal further on than Farringdon and no more of a "terminal" under non-blockade circumstances), but if I dare to get off at the station between them I risk a £10 penalty fare. Grr. I thought that *all* rail season tickets were automatically valid for all combinations of stations on a valid route between the end points. Can you explain what is special about your ticket that makes this not true? -- Clive Page |
KXT as a London Terminal
In article , "Andrew
Black (delete obvious bit)" writes I agree with what you say, but when I asked for a ticket from East Dulwich to KXT I was given one to London Terminals. This was in Sept 04. Has something changed. Or was the staff member confused. I rather suspect that ticket office staff may be confused. On several occasions I have bought a ticket from a south London terminal such as Waterloo or Charing Cross to Luton, telling the clerk that I wanted a ticket valid on NR trains from there to London Bridge, and then north via Thameslink. I have mostly been sold a "London Terminals" to Luton ticket at (I'm pretty sure) the same price as if I had bought one at, say, King's Cross (but not Farringdon). I suspect these were sold to me too cheaply, but I'm not sure. There is obviously a distinction between north London terminals, and south London ones as far as the fares go, but is such a distinction visible on the ticket itself when it is printed? -- Clive Page |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
Barry Salter wrote in
: Just to doubly confuse matters, it is a London Terminal. The group comprises: So I am even more confused now. If I buy a ticket to "London Terminals" it is only valid to some terminals. How do I find out which terminals it is valid to? |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
On 29 Mar 2005 19:24:14 GMT, "Andrew Black (delete obvious bit)"
wrote: So I am even more confused now. If I buy a ticket to "London Terminals" it is only valid to some terminals. How do I find out which terminals it is valid to? I believe you treat all of them as if they were one station, and so which you can use is a factor of where the Permitted Routes to that one "virtual" London station end up. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
Barry Salter wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:12:55 +0100, Clive Page wrote: I thought that *all* rail season tickets were automatically valid for all combinations of stations on a valid route between the end points. Can you explain what is special about your ticket that makes this not true? For a Thameslink journey to, or through, Farringdon, Barbican and Moorgate your ticket MUST have Underground Zone 1 validity. A ticket to London Terminals isn't valid beyond City Thameslink from the South and St Pancras/Kings Cross Thameslink from the North. What about the "London Thameslink" destination? Googling that brings up the following: http://www.travelbuddy.info/main.php...id=6&page_id=9 "Thameslink customers travelling to or from stations between Bedford and West Hampstead Thameslink are issued with tickets marked "London Thameslink" for the following London stations: Farringdon, Barbican, Moorgate, City Thameslink, Blackfriars and London Bridge. These "London Thameslink" tickets allow passengers travelling from the north to join the London Underground system at King's Cross St Pancras Underground station and to leave it at one of the London Thameslink destinations stated in the previous paragraph. These tickets work the ticket gates at these Underground stations. Alternatively, passengers will be able to take bus 63/N63 or bus 45/N45 from outside St Pancras station to get to their Thameslink destination. Passengers who travel from central London Thameslink stations to stations in the north are able to use the Tube or bus 45/N45 or 63/N63 to King's Cross St Pancras to connect with Thameslink at St Pancras. If you do not wish to travel south beyond St Pancras you will be issued with a ticket to "London Terminals"." And: "Customers travelling to London from the south, including the Brighton line and the Wimbledon – Sutton – Carshalton line, will continue to be issued with tickets with the destination “London Terminals” if travelling to London Bridge, Blackfriars or City Thameslink. Customers travelling to Farringdon or King's Cross Thameslink from the south will continue to receive tickets naming these specific stations." You don't need Underground Zone 1 validity to travel to Farringdon etc., but you do need an appropriate Thameslink ticket, e.g. Luton to London Thameslink will get you to Farringdon (or anywhere as far as London Bridge). -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
"Barry Salter" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:12:55 +0100, Clive Page wrote: I thought that *all* rail season tickets were automatically valid for all combinations of stations on a valid route between the end points. Can you explain what is special about your ticket that makes this not true? For a Thameslink journey to, or through, Farringdon, Barbican and Moorgate your ticket MUST have Underground Zone 1 validity. A ticket to London Terminals isn't valid beyond City Thameslink from the South and St Pancras/Kings Cross Thameslink from the North. I can't explain the logic behind this, but it's probably due to the "special" status of the former "Widened Lines" as part of the Met. However the Conditions of Carriage say that through trains are always valid routes. This would mean that for example on an Any Permitted East Croydon - London Terminals ticket you could travel to KX Thameslink providing you used a through train. Peter Smyth |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:53:17 +0100, "Peter Smyth"
wrote: However the Conditions of Carriage say that through trains are always valid routes. This would mean that for example on an Any Permitted East Croydon - London Terminals ticket you could travel to KX Thameslink providing you used a through train. Isn't Thameslink a special case, because it's effectively LU in ticketing terms when you get into the central area? Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Peter Smyth wrote:
"Barry Salter" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:12:55 +0100, Clive Page wrote: I thought that *all* rail season tickets were automatically valid for all combinations of stations on a valid route between the end points. Can you explain what is special about your ticket that makes this not true? For a Thameslink journey to, or through, Farringdon, Barbican and Moorgate your ticket MUST have Underground Zone 1 validity. A ticket to London Terminals isn't valid beyond City Thameslink from the South and St Pancras/Kings Cross Thameslink from the North. I can't explain the logic behind this, but it's probably due to the "special" status of the former "Widened Lines" as part of the Met. However the Conditions of Carriage say that through trains are always valid routes. This would mean that for example on an Any Permitted East Croydon - London Terminals ticket you could travel to KX Thameslink providing you used a through train. Of course, this does not apply if you are in knip. tom -- China Mieville has shown us how to be a good socialist and a bad science fiction writer. -- The Times |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:47:36 +0000, Neil Williams wrote:
On 29 Mar 2005 19:24:14 GMT, "Andrew Black (delete obvious bit)" wrote: So I am even more confused now. If I buy a ticket to "London Terminals" it is only valid to some terminals. How do I find out which terminals it is valid to? I believe you treat all of them as if they were one station, and so which you can use is a factor of where the Permitted Routes to that one "virtual" London station end up. Neil Presumably valid on Thameslink (Gatwick - Kings Cross), but not on underground (Gatwick - Liverpool Street) -- Everything I write here is my personal opinion, and should not be taken as fact. |
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"Matthew" wrote in message ... 1. I use my National Rail season which is valid as far as City Thameslink. You are travelling without a valid ticket between City Thameslink and Farringdon. To combine a paper National Rail ticket and Oyster Prepay you must touch in where your paper ticket ends, at City Thameslink. I suspected as much. So what happens in the (very unlikely) event that a gripper asks to see my ticket during the 30 seconds between City Thameslink and Farringdon? Do they carry Oyster readers? I think it's daft that I should have to break my journey at Blackfriars or City Thameslink, although there is probably enough time to leap off the train at London Bridge, use the platform validator, and then get back on - but this would carry the risk of losing one's seat. They can hardly claim that I'm trying to avoid paying the fare ... David Stocks |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
In article , Barry Salter
writes For a Thameslink journey to, or through, Farringdon, Barbican and Moorgate your ticket MUST have Underground Zone 1 validity. A ticket to London Terminals isn't valid beyond City Thameslink from the South and St Pancras/Kings Cross Thameslink from the North. Just to confuse the issue further: one can buy tickets from stations in Thameslink North (e.g. Luton) to those in Thameslink South (e.g. Gatwick) which are routed "Thameslink only" i.e. they are not valid for cross-london travel via underground, nor at any U1 station, but only via Farringdon etc. I'm not sure at what point the rules change - if you ask for a ticket from Luton to a destination in south London within the travelcard zone system, you tend to get a zonal ticket as being the cheapest. But other ticket types must surely exist, e.g. for travel in peak hours. -- Clive Page |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
On 25 Mar 2005 01:13:00 -0800, "Rupert Candy"
wrote: Matthew wrote: .. . The gates at London Bridge on the National Rail platforms will let you through with only prepay on an oystercard, but will not deduct any fare or resolve the journey. The validators on platforms 5/6 must be used even if you have already touched in or out there. That could be useful to know, if only to avoid putting my season ticket through the gates. Frequent use may well be monitored to stop "dumb-belling". What does 'dumb-belling' mean? Does anyone know the position with the gates/validators at Farringdon? A typical scenario is an occasional journey Brighton to Moorgate and return: 1. I use my National Rail season which is valid as far as City Thameslink. You are travelling without a valid ticket between City Thameslink and Farringdon. To combine a paper National Rail ticket and Oyster Prepay you must touch in where your paper ticket ends, at City Thameslink. 2. At Farringdon I validate the prepay card on the platform (does it matter which platform I do this on?) and then 3. Change to the Underground for Moorgate. 4. At Moorgate I the prepay card lets me out through the gates. Prepay requires a touch in and out, so your usual journey is valid between Farringdon & Moorgate. Just touching out at Farringdon would lead to an unresolved journey. On a related note, has anyone ever tried using Prepay on the Kentish Town - E&C section of Thameslink? If so, were you charged Tube fares for doing so? Prepay is not valid travelling south from Kentish Town at the moment as there are no validators at St. Pancras and touching in again at Kings Cross Thameslink will lead to an unresolved journey. |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
"Clive Page" wrote in message
... In article , Barry Salter writes Just to confuse the issue further: one can buy tickets from stations in Thameslink North (e.g. Luton) to those in Thameslink South (e.g. Gatwick) which are routed "Thameslink only" i.e. they are not valid for cross-london travel via underground, nor at any U1 station, but only via I think that in general the "Thameslink only" wording is used badly, i.e. it's overly simplified. I've been sold Thameslink tickets from Brighton to London (sometimes they have been cheaper than Southern ones) which include a zone 1-6 travelcard, yet still say "Thameslink only" which I've always presumed applies just to the journey between the outside of zone 6 and Brighton. But to a tourist or pedant (!) that detail could be a cause of worry. Recently though I was travelling to London Bridge on a day when Thameslinks weren't stopping there (going straight to Blackfriars) and was told by the ticket office to get on a Southern service instead. Fortunately didn't meet anybody on the train who might have argued! ;) K |
KXT as a London Terminal
Clive Page wrote:
There is obviously a distinction between north London terminals, and south London ones as far as the fares go, but is such a distinction visible on the ticket itself when it is printed? It's in section K of the National Fares Manual. -- Michael Hoffman |
KXT as a London Terminal
Michael Hoffman wrote:
Clive Page wrote: There is obviously a distinction between north London terminals, and south London ones as far as the fares go, but is such a distinction visible on the ticket itself when it is printed? It's in section K of the National Fares Manual. Oops, I mean section A! -- Michael Hoffman |
Oyster Prepay on Thameslink
I suspected as much. So what happens in the (very unlikely) event that a
gripper asks to see my ticket during the 30 seconds between City Thameslink and Farringdon? Do they carry Oyster readers? I think it's daft that I should have to break my journey at Blackfriars or City Thameslink, although there is probably enough time to leap off the train at London Bridge, use the platform validator, and then get back on - but this would carry the risk of losing one's seat. It's only 30 seconds - I wouldn't bother with losing your seat. -- Everything above is the personal opinion of the author, and nothing to do with where he works and all that lovely disclaimery stuff. Posted in his lunch hour too. |
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