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I see that the jubilee line is set to close for 5 days later this year
to install ne signalling equipment. Which section is to get the new equipment? Kevin |
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) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
I see that the jubilee line is set to close for 5 days later this year Haven't seen this - When? |
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"Adrian" wrote in message . 244.170... ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : I see that the jubilee line is set to close for 5 days later this year Haven't seen this - When? December 25th-30th Peter Smyth |
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Peter Smyth ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : I see that the jubilee line is set to close for 5 days later this year Haven't seen this - When? December 25th-30th Oh. Hardly peak time. Panic over. |
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Adrian wrote:
Peter Smyth ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : I see that the jubilee line is set to close for 5 days later this year Haven't seen this - When? December 25th-30th Oh. Hardly peak time. Panic over. However, the peak service will be reduced gradually from about 4 December to 24 December whilst trains are taken out of service to have the new carriages added (and they can't come back into service until every train has the extra carriage). -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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"Adrian" wrote in message
. 244.170... Oh. Hardly peak time. Panic over. Glad I've got a car - if I relied on public transport to get to work It'd be a nightmare. -- Everything above is the personal opinion of the author, and nothing to do with where he works and all that lovely disclaimery stuff. Posted in his lunch hour too. |
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But once the chrimbo period is over there's no problem (apart from the
usual at any rate)bigger trains, more room. Paul Weaver wrote: "Adrian" wrote in message . 244.170... Oh. Hardly peak time. Panic over. Glad I've got a car - if I relied on public transport to get to work It'd be a nightmare. -- Everything above is the personal opinion of the author, and nothing to do with where he works and all that lovely disclaimery stuff. Posted in his lunch hour too. |
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 21:42:43 +0100, Dave Arquati
wrote: However, the peak service will be reduced gradually from about 4 December to 24 December whilst trains are taken out of service to have the new carriages added (and they can't come back into service until every train has the extra carriage). Why not? Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
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Neil Williams ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : (and they can't come back into service until every train has the extra carriage). Why not? Presumably to protect against a situation where the JLE doors "think" it's a long train, but it isn't. |
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On 26 May 2005 21:45:07 GMT, Adrian wrote:
Presumably to protect against a situation where the JLE doors "think" it's a long train, but it isn't. Good point, hadn't thought of the PEDs. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
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"Paul Weaver" wrote in message ... "Adrian" wrote in message . 244.170... Oh. Hardly peak time. Panic over. Glad I've got a car - if I relied on public transport to get to work It'd be a nightmare. Funnily enough, where I work far more car drivers are late for work than those who come in by PT... -- Cheers, Steve. Change from jealous to sad to reply. |
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In message , Barry Salter
writes Doesn't really surprise me, especially for those based at Arnos Grove. The North Circ's a nightmare most of the day, and Bowes Road ain't much better...The sooner it gets widened, the better. I thought it had been decided not to actually widen the NCR but to do an assortment of 'improvements' to the various junctions as that would be cheaper? -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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In message , Steve
Dulieu writes Funnily enough, where I work far more car drivers are late for work than those who come in by PT... Hah! - you don't call that work ;-) -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message ... In message , Steve Dulieu writes Funnily enough, where I work far more car drivers are late for work than those who come in by PT... Hah! - you don't call that work ;-) Hmmm, good point Steve. OK, funnily enough, where I spend my days in relaxed indolence far more car drivers etc, etc...:-) -- Cheers, Steve. Change from jealous to sad to reply. |
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Funnily enough, where I work far more car drivers are late for work than
those who come in by PT... I arrived 20 minutes early for work at 11PM last night. Had I gone via train I'd have had to leave 15 minutes earlier and (as it turns out) would have been late. Of course this morning I left at 11:20, and even after stopping for petrol and heavy traffic in chiswich, I was home 20 minutes before I'd have been via the train - assuming a tube to Ealing had turned up on time. How would I get to work (Shepherds Bush) on Boxing Day if I lived at stanmore without a car? Public transport is great for the 9-5 masses, but for the rest of us the complete closures at various weekends means that it's simply not reliable. |
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Paul Weaver wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 27 May 2005:
Funnily enough, where I work far more car drivers are late for work than those who come in by PT... I arrived 20 minutes early for work at 11PM last night. Had I gone via train I'd have had to leave 15 minutes earlier and (as it turns out) would have been late. However, you are only one person. I could give a counter-example, in that it takes my husband approximately 45-50 minutes, door-to-door, going to work by public transport. On the rare occasions he takes the car, it takes him at least 1 1/2 hours. [Snip] How would I get to work (Shepherds Bush) on Boxing Day if I lived at stanmore without a car? Public transport is great for the 9-5 masses, but for the rest of us the complete closures at various weekends means that it's simply not reliable. I think I've missed something here - why would people not use public transport most of the time, but occasionally use the car when they had a good reason to do so, such as PT not running? -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 23 May 2005 |
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However, you are only one person. I could give a counter-example, in
that it takes my husband approximately 45-50 minutes, door-to-door, going to work by public transport. On the rare occasions he takes the car, it takes him at least 1 1/2 hours. Why would he take the car? I think I've missed something here - why would people not use public transport most of the time, but occasionally use the car when they had a good reason to do so, such as PT not running? Once you own a car, the cost of a journey collapses dramatically (insurance, tax etc doesnt increase per mile), and ends up below that of P.T. For the majority of the country a car is always faster than P.T. London is a special case, as it's such an overcrowded ********, but even in London its faster offpeak to travel by car. I agree I will subject myself to the train if I have to get into work for some unusual time like 9AM, however those are few and far between (and last time I drove in for arround 9AM - as there were 2 trains an hour peak time when there's normally 6) I went to heathrow, and it ended up faster anyway. |
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Steve Dulieu wrote:
Funnily enough, where I work far more car drivers are late for work than those who come in by PT... Surely it's those Train Ops who drive in who can use the excuse "sorry I'm late, bl**dy traffic at Staples Corner, Hanger Lane, M1" etc without any expectation that the truth of this can be verified, whereas those using LU services know any such false claims of disruption are far more easily exposed? Thus PT users are more likely to leave for work with time to spare. Call me a cynic ("You're a cynic....") Kim Rennie |
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Paul Weaver wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 27 May 2005:
However, you are only one person. I could give a counter-example, in that it takes my husband approximately 45-50 minutes, door-to-door, going to work by public transport. On the rare occasions he takes the car, it takes him at least 1 1/2 hours. Why would he take the car? If we are going on somewhere after work - most usually, it is more convenient for both of us for him to meet me at the station (not necessarily near his work, often near where we are going) so that we can drive home together afterwards, usually late at night. I think I've missed something here - why would people not use public transport most of the time, but occasionally use the car when they had a good reason to do so, such as PT not running? Once you own a car, the cost of a journey collapses dramatically (insurance, tax etc doesnt increase per mile), and ends up below that of P.T. For the majority of the country a car is always faster than P.T. London is a special case, as it's such an overcrowded ********, but even in London its faster offpeak to travel by car. Depends on when off peak, and where you are going! In the small hours of the morning, I'd be inclined to agree. But at 2.00 or 8.00 pm it can be very slow going. Our car tends to live in the garage and only come out for the occasional evening trip (and the occasions described above, which are not frequent) and on weekend mornings. I agree I will subject myself to the train if I have to get into work for some unusual time like 9AM, however those are few and far between (and last time I drove in for arround 9AM - as there were 2 trains an hour peak time when there's normally 6) I went to heathrow, and it ended up faster anyway. But if you were going to Heathrow to fly on, then it works out more expensive since you have to pay for car parking! There are times it's worth doing that, but not often. -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 23 May 2005 |
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"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
oups.com... Once you own a car, the cost of a journey collapses dramatically (insurance, tax etc doesnt increase per mile), and ends up below that of P.T. For the majority of the country a car is always faster than P.T. London is a special case, as it's such an overcrowded ********, but even in London its faster offpeak to travel by car. Not sure about the latter; my regular journey has been done in 43 minutes (door to door) by train/bike (which gives an average speed of almost 60mph); I have never done the same journey by car in less than 75 minutes, even in the middle of the night. Similarly, I've sat in traffic for hours in places like St. Albans, Portsmouth or Brighton on too many occasions to ever willingly drive in to a big city during the day. There was even a time when it was quicker for me to travel by train from St. Albans to King's Cross and then out to Hitchin, than leave St. Albans at 1700 by road. |
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Sure, if you live in the middle of a city near the station, and your
destination is near a station served by a fast train, and you're travelling in peak time, then obviously the train is faster. However none of my family have ever lived/worked in a position where that's the case. I need to travel from Evesham (10 minutes from evesham station) to St Erth (10 minutes from St Erth Station) on Friday afternoon. I'll finish work arround 3ish. By train I'd arrive after midnight assuming all the trains are on time. By car I'll arrive 3 hours earlier - and that's a conservitive estimate. Getting into work (W12) for 11PM, from Twyford (chosen because of it's closeness to the trainline) means leaving the house at 21:20 to get the 21:38 train arriving 22:19 at Ealing, onto the central line arriving 22:40 at White City. In the car I leave 40 minutes later at 22:00 and get in arround 22:45. Even in the morning I can get in for 11:30 (just) by leaving arround 10:20 on the train, similar time as by car. Of course getting home at 23:30 by train is much harder and longer than car (about 3 times as long as train) I have never done the same journey by car in less than 75 minutes, even in the middle of the night How long does the train journey take at night? Peak travel time from Twyford to Paddington is arround 25 minutes by train. It's twice as long as at night. |
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Paul Weaver wrote:
Even in the morning I can get in for 11:30 (just) by leaving arround 10:20 on the train, similar time as by car. Of course getting home at 23:30 by train is much harder and longer than car (about 3 times as long as train) Of course after this mornings disaster (ticket office machine broke so I couldn't get the ticket I wanted, only just got the train, then the central line was closed so I had to get the stinky smelly slow 207 - I thought this was an express service, but it stopped every 200 yards! Bloke standing next to me (no seats available obviously) stank of alcohol - at 11AM!, the bendy part smelled suspiciously of urine, and I got into work 30 minutes late (with a longer walk than I planned fo up wood lane) Typical bus really. |
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Paul Weaver wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote: Even in the morning I can get in for 11:30 (just) by leaving arround 10:20 on the train, similar time as by car. Of course getting home at 23:30 by train is much harder and longer than car (about 3 times as long as train) Of course after this mornings disaster (ticket office machine broke so I couldn't get the ticket I wanted, only just got the train, then the central line was closed so I had to get the stinky smelly slow 207 - I thought this was an express service, but it stopped every 200 yards! The so-called express service on that route is the 607. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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writes Neil Williams ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : (and they can't come back into service until every train has the extra carriage). Why not? Presumably to protect against a situation where the JLE doors "think" it's a long train, but it isn't. Can't they just add the extra car but leave it permanently locked and out of use until all train have been so equipped? Or am I missing something here? (I realise I must be but I'm sure someone will spell it out!) -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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Ian Jelf ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : Can't they just add the extra car but leave it permanently locked and out of use until all train have been so equipped? Can you IMAGINE the shouting at rush hour? |
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Ian Jelf typed: Can't they just add the extra car but leave it permanently locked and out of use until all train have been so equipped? Or am I missing something here? (I realise I must be but I'm sure someone will spell it out!) Locking out one car would prevent or delay access to end doors in case of emergency. -- Bob |
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In message , Ian Jelf
writes Presumably to protect against a situation where the JLE doors "think" it's a long train, but it isn't. Can't they just add the extra car but leave it permanently locked and out of use until all train have been so equipped? Or am I missing something here? (I realise I must be but I'm sure someone will spell it out!) No. The internal doors in the train would still allow access to the locked out car and can't be secured for safety reasons. Can you imagine the fuss when someone managed to get into the 'unused' car, as they would, and then couldn't get out because the doors didn't open. This is a similar reason to why a train is taken out of service if one car is unavailable for any reason - the out of service car can't be secured. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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In message , Bob Wood
writes In , Ian Jelf typed: Can't they just add the extra car but leave it permanently locked and out of use until all train have been so equipped? Or am I missing something here? (I realise I must be but I'm sure someone will spell it out!) Locking out one car would prevent or delay access to end doors in case of emergency. I knew there'd be a reason but I couldn't just see it. Thanks folk. (I wrote that the day after returning from honeymoon, by the way, so I hope I'm excused a little lateral thinking! Good to be back everyone.) -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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