"Clive" wrote in message
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In message , Mrs Redboots
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What threw us totally was that these limits were *obeyed*.... presumably
why they can be higher than ours!
I'd noticed that and asked another driver why. Apparently breaking the
speed limit carries very draconian measures. A different issue but one I
found annoying was when driving an American auto box, slowly accelerating
was good but to attempt to overtake the response is to put your foot down,
each time I did I found I was without drive for about two seconds whilst
the box kicked down.

I'm not a fan of automatic gearboxes. They are generally too inclined to
change down in situations where in my car (admittedly with a diesel engine
which has oodles of low-speed torque) I'd stay in third but push down on the
accelerator. I've driven a number of automatic cars. My dad's Ford Sierra,
about 20 years ago, was OK. His Hondas were appalling: it was very difficult
to accelerate smoothly out of a roundabout without the box dropping into
first gear (well, that's what it felt like) as you applied the power - you
either got very little acceleration in third or kick-in-the-back
acceleration in first - no half-measures :-( But the worst was a Ford Focus
that I drove from Oxford to Ipswich on business a couple of years ago. There
must have been a fault with the transmission because it was very hard to
accelerate from a roundabout or to overtake anything on the motorway because
the more you pressed the accelerator, the further it would change down, so
you were in the ridiculuous situation that you want to accelerate from 50 to
70 but the only option is to keep going at 50 - any any of 4th, 3rd, 2nd or
1st gear depending on how hard you pressed the accelerator ;-) Next time
the company hired me a car, I said "manual only, please"!

I'd be interested to try one of these sequential Tiptronic gearboxes such as
the ones on the Citroen C3 and some VWs. These apparently are manual
gearboxes (with a proper clutch, none of this fluid flywheel that can creep
forward in traffic and which uses more fuel) but controlled automatically or
manually according to preference. A colleague who I used to work with said
his was fantastic. I'd also like try a Variomatic transmission (Daf, Volvo
etc).

Martin Underwood wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 26 Jun 2005:

I'd be interested to try one of these sequential Tiptronic gearboxes such as
the ones on the Citroen C3 and some VWs. These apparently are manual
gearboxes (with a proper clutch, none of this fluid flywheel that can creep
forward in traffic and which uses more fuel) but controlled automatically or
manually according to preference. A colleague who I used to work with said
his was fantastic. I'd also like try a Variomatic transmission (Daf, Volvo
etc).

Don't think our C3 has one of those.
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"Mrs Redboots"
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Website updated 23 May 2005

Mrs Redboots ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

I'd be interested to try one of these sequential Tiptronic gearboxes
such as the ones on the Citroen C3 and some VWs.

Don't think our C3 has one of those.

Not all do. If it has a clutch pedal, and no steering wheel flippers, it
doesn't. If it doesn't, be thankful.

"Adrian" wrote in message
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Mrs Redboots ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

I'd be interested to try one of these sequential Tiptronic gearboxes
such as the ones on the Citroen C3 and some VWs.

Don't think our C3 has one of those.

Not all do. If it has a clutch pedal, and no steering wheel flippers, it
doesn't. If it doesn't, be thankful.

Have you found the C3's Tiptronic transmission to be more of a blessing than
a curse? In theory (and I've never driven a car with it) it sounds to be the
best of both worlds.

Martin Underwood ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

I'd be interested to try one of these sequential Tiptronic gearboxes
such as the ones on the Citroen C3 and some VWs.

Don't think our C3 has one of those.

Not all do. If it has a clutch pedal, and no steering wheel flippers,
it doesn't. If it doesn't, be thankful.

Have you found the C3's Tiptronic transmission to be more of a
blessing than a curse? In theory (and I've never driven a car with it)
it sounds to be the best of both worlds.

I've not driven one, but SensoDrive initially had an AWFUL rep to go with
the abysmal name. Very slow change, confused, umpteen buggy software
releases to try and solve the probs without introducing new ones.

I believe it's about right now, but early ones were a bit "gearbox by
Microsoft"...

"Adrian" wrote in message
. 244.170...
Martin Underwood ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

I'd be interested to try one of these sequential Tiptronic gearboxes
such as the ones on the Citroen C3 and some VWs.

Don't think our C3 has one of those.

Not all do. If it has a clutch pedal, and no steering wheel flippers,
it doesn't. If it doesn't, be thankful.

Have you found the C3's Tiptronic transmission to be more of a
blessing than a curse? In theory (and I've never driven a car with it)
it sounds to be the best of both worlds.

I've not driven one, but SensoDrive initially had an AWFUL rep to go with
the abysmal name. Very slow change, confused, umpteen buggy software
releases to try and solve the probs without introducing new ones.

I believe it's about right now, but early ones were a bit "gearbox by
Microsoft"...

They must have fixed it by the end of last year because my colleague was
very pleased with it. He demonstrated that it would change under fairly hard
acceleration and with his foot off the accelerator - the two situations that
place greatest demands on the clutches and the autothrottle which adjusts
the engine speed so it matches the road speed in the new gear.

When the Top Gear or one of those programmes was doing a piece about the new
VW Golf a few months ago, the presenter raved about it and said that if the
price could be reduced, he foresaw it rendering the totally manual gearbox
almost obsolete, in the same way that synchromesh is standard at present.
However he found it difficult to set off smoothly from rest or to crawl
along very slowly in traffic: the take-up was a bit fierce and he'd have
liked a clutch pedal purely for setting off from rest.

I really will have to book myself a test-drive in either the C3 or the Golf
and see what it's like - even if there's no chance on my present income of
changing my car in the next few years.