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Firstly, can I say what a wonderful job all the police, ambulance, fire
services, underground and bus staff have done to cope with this event. I
know from speaking to a policemen closely involved that it was a great
shock and will take months for some to get over.

Unfortunately I (and others) have to go to work on Monday (Friday wasn't
too bad because so many stayed at home). Does anyone know what is
planned to be different to Monday or when we are likely to see a change?

--
John Alexander,

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"John" wrote in message
...
Firstly, can I say what a wonderful job all the police, ambulance,
fire
services, underground and bus staff have done to cope with this
event. I
know from speaking to a policemen closely involved that it was a
great
shock and will take months for some to get over.

Unfortunately I (and others) have to go to work on Monday (Friday
wasn't
too bad because so many stayed at home). Does anyone know what is
planned to be different to Monday or when we are likely to see a
change?



For lack of any other information, I'd expect the underground lines to
be the same as this weekend, ie no Circle, H&C only between Paddington
and Hammersmith, and the same Piccadilly service levels.

TFL have said they hope to get the circle/H&C running again in the
next few days, but it will be a few weeks (at least) for the Pic.

One thing I was wondering, however.
As part of the "emergency" timetable, the service to Olympia has been
axed. Surely they could run an Olympia to Tower Hill (or further,
whitechapel ?) service using some of the "spare" C-stock to cover for
the missing Circle service.

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On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:08:07 +0100, John wrote:

Firstly, can I say what a wonderful job all the police, ambulance, fire
services, underground and bus staff have done to cope with this event. I
know from speaking to a policemen closely involved that it was a great
shock and will take months for some to get over.

Unfortunately I (and others) have to go to work on Monday (Friday wasn't
too bad because so many stayed at home). Does anyone know what is
planned to be different to Monday or when we are likely to see a change?

Circle Line: No service.

Hammersmith & City Line: No service between Paddington and Barking

Metropolitan Line: No service between Moorgate and Aldgate

Piccadilly Line: No service between Hyde Park Corner and Arnos Grove
and between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge

District Line :No service between High Street Kensington and Edgware
Road.

Kings Cross Underground Station is open for Metropolitan line trains
only

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In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

Piccadilly Line: No service between Hyde Park Corner and Arnos Grove
and between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge

Why no Uxbridge service?

Kings Cross Underground Station is open for Metropolitan line trains
only

When will the Victoria and Northern platforms re-open? What reason is
there not to do so now?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(Matt Wheeler) wrote:

One thing I was wondering, however.
As part of the "emergency" timetable, the service to Olympia has been
axed. Surely they could run an Olympia to Tower Hill (or further,
whitechapel ?) service using some of the "spare" C-stock to cover for
the missing Circle service.

Are you sure the Olympia service is still not running? It's not been
mentioned more recently. I guessed the problem was shortage of terminating
platforms at High St but can't they use either of the through platforms to
reverse trains as well as the two bay platforms?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

Piccadilly Line: No service between Hyde Park Corner and Arnos Grove
and between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge

Why no Uxbridge service?

Kings Cross Underground Station is open for Metropolitan line trains
only

When will the Victoria and Northern platforms re-open? What reason is
there not to do so now?

Presumably any passengers using the Victoria or Northern lines would be
getting in the way of the rescue workers on the Piccadilly platforms.

Peter Smyth

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"Matt Wheeler" wrote in message
...
One thing I was wondering, however.
As part of the "emergency" timetable, the service to Olympia has been
axed. Surely they could run an Olympia to Tower Hill (or further,
whitechapel ?) service using some of the "spare" C-stock to cover for the
missing Circle service.

There is a big problem with this. C stock is maintained at Hammersmith
depot, and to get anywhere else on the network has to run via Edgware Road.
Neasden has stabled C stocks in the past, but is otherwise cut off by the
Aldgate blockage, meaning Ealing Common is the only realistic option.
Notwithstanding the fact that this depot is geared towards maintaining D
stock, I would imagine there is little space/capacity to work on more
trains.

Having said all this I noticed that C stocks were out on the Wimbledon-HSK
trains yesterday. I've no idea what the situation is with these trains, but
I reckon it's pretty certain they're not running to/from Hammersmith depot.

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One thing I was wondering, however.
As part of the "emergency" timetable, the service to Olympia has been
axed. Surely they could run an Olympia to Tower Hill (or further,
whitechapel ?) service using some of the "spare" C-stock to cover for the
missing Circle service.


I might be wrong but I think C stock are normally stabled at Hammersmith H&C
depot. Getting them to the Olympia / Earls Court area would mean going via
Edgware Road, which is obviously not possible.

Mind you, presumably there must be some C stock units that were in service
at the time of the explosions and perhaps are temporarily stabled elsewhere
?

Andrew

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In article ,
(Peter Smyth) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

Piccadilly Line: No service between Hyde Park Corner and Arnos Grove
and between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge

Why no Uxbridge service?

Kings Cross Underground Station is open for Metropolitan line trains
only

When will the Victoria and Northern platforms re-open? What reason is
there not to do so now?

Presumably any passengers using the Victoria or Northern lines would be
getting in the way of the rescue workers on the Piccadilly platforms.

I find that surprising, for the Victoria at least. It has separate
escalators even. Also the reports said the rescue work was having to take
place from the front of the train, i,e. Russell Square.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Peter Smyth) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

Piccadilly Line: No service between Hyde Park Corner and Arnos
Grove and between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge

Why no Uxbridge service?

Kings Cross Underground Station is open for Metropolitan line
trains only

When will the Victoria and Northern platforms re-open? What
reason is there not to do so now?

Presumably any passengers using the Victoria or Northern lines
would be getting in the way of the rescue workers on the
Piccadilly platforms.

I find that surprising, for the Victoria at least. It has separate
escalators even. Also the reports said the rescue work was having
to take place from the front of the train, i,e. Russell Square.

Then perhaps the reports are wrong. Many of them are still
contradictory, so it wouldn't surprise me. As for King's Cross St
Pancras, don't all the main escalators lead to the same tube ticket
hall? It seems to me perfectly reasonable that the people examining and
removing body parts from the tunnel should be able to bring them up into
an area to which the public don't have access. Possibly the Victoria
could be accessed via the Thameslink station, but I'm not sure what the
crowd control implications would be.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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In article ,
(Andrew) wrote:

One thing I was wondering, however.
As part of the "emergency" timetable, the service to Olympia has been
axed. Surely they could run an Olympia to Tower Hill (or further,
whitechapel ?) service using some of the "spare" C-stock to cover for
the missing Circle service.

I might be wrong but I think C stock are normally stabled at
Hammersmith H&C depot. Getting them to the Olympia / Earls Court area
would mean going via Edgware Road, which is obviously not possible.

Mind you, presumably there must be some C stock units that were in
service at the time of the explosions and perhaps are temporarily
stabled elsewhere ?

Presumably those C stock trains on Wimbleware services when the bombs
struck are those being used for the reduced Wimbledon-High St service?
Plus some of the Circle line stock perhaps?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

I find that surprising, for the Victoria at least. It has separate
escalators even. Also the reports said the rescue work was having
to take place from the front of the train, i,e. Russell Square.

Then perhaps the reports are wrong. Many of them are still
contradictory, so it wouldn't surprise me. As for King's Cross St
Pancras, don't all the main escalators lead to the same tube ticket
hall? It seems to me perfectly reasonable that the people examining and
removing body parts from the tunnel should be able to bring them up into
an area to which the public don't have access. Possibly the Victoria
could be accessed via the Thameslink station, but I'm not sure what the
crowd control implications would be.

But the access was said to be via Russell Square, surely? The ticket hall
is common, insofar as it isn't a building site.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

I find that surprising, for the Victoria at least. It has separate
escalators even. Also the reports said the rescue work was having
to take place from the front of the train, i,e. Russell Square.

Then perhaps the reports are wrong. Many of them are still
contradictory, so it wouldn't surprise me. As for King's Cross St
Pancras, don't all the main escalators lead to the same tube ticket
hall? It seems to me perfectly reasonable that the people
examining and removing body parts from the tunnel should be able
to bring them up into an area to which the public don't have
access. Possibly the Victoria could be accessed via the
Thameslink station, but I'm not sure what the crowd control
implications would be.

But the access was said to be via Russell Square, surely?

As I said, maybe those reports were wrong. The front of the train is
roughly half way between the two stations according to the diagram on
the BBC site, so it would make sense to tackle the job from both ends.
The photo currently at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4666771.stm shows
emergency workers at King's Cross.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

I find that surprising, for the Victoria at least. It has separate
escalators even. Also the reports said the rescue work was having
to take place from the front of the train, i,e. Russell Square.

Then perhaps the reports are wrong. Many of them are still
contradictory, so it wouldn't surprise me. As for King's Cross St
Pancras, don't all the main escalators lead to the same tube ticket
hall? It seems to me perfectly reasonable that the people
examining and removing body parts from the tunnel should be able
to bring them up into an area to which the public don't have
access. Possibly the Victoria could be accessed via the
Thameslink station, but I'm not sure what the crowd control
implications would be.

But the access was said to be via Russell Square, surely?

As I said, maybe those reports were wrong. The front of the train is
roughly half way between the two stations according to the diagram on
the BBC site, so it would make sense to tackle the job from both ends.
The photo currently at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4666771.stm shows
emergency workers at King's Cross.

I'm not sure what the photo proves one way or the other. The text says
"Recovery teams are working towards the back of the train to find bodies
and forensic clues in what Mr Trotter described as one of "the most
challenging" of the four bomb blast sites." which tends to the other view.

What we do know is that they cleared the main concourse on Friday to allow
the main line station to reopen and function (more or less) normally.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article , Andrew
writes
I might be wrong but I think C stock are normally stabled at Hammersmith H&C
depot.

They're serviced there, but a number stable at Triangle and Barking,
with others elsewhere (e.g. Farringdon).

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In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes

Piccadilly Line: No service between Hyde Park Corner and Arnos Grove
and between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge

Why no Uxbridge service?

Basic shuttle 15m service Acton Town Rayners Lane to link in with the
Hyde Park Heathrow shuttle.

All Rayners Lane trains will have to go via the sidings at Rayners Lane
and Acton Town, thus reducing capacity.
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:39:11 +0100, Steve Fitzgerald
] wrote:

In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes

Piccadilly Line: No service between Hyde Park Corner and Arnos Grove
and between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge

Why no Uxbridge service?

Basic shuttle 15m service Acton Town Rayners Lane to link in with the
Hyde Park Heathrow shuttle.

All Rayners Lane trains will have to go via the sidings at Rayners Lane
and Acton Town, thus reducing capacity.

So why not just run some trains through to Ruislip/Uxbridge, restoring
the usual capacity/frequency? Too much stock trapped on the wrong side
of the blockage?

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In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:39:11 +0100, Steve Fitzgerald
] wrote:

In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes

Piccadilly Line: No service between Hyde Park Corner and Arnos Grove
and between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge

Why no Uxbridge service?

Basic shuttle 15m service Acton Town Rayners Lane to link in with
the Hyde Park Heathrow shuttle.

All Rayners Lane trains will have to go via the sidings at Rayners
Lane and Acton Town, thus reducing capacity.

So why not just run some trains through to Ruislip/Uxbridge, restoring
the usual capacity/frequency? Too much stock trapped on the wrong side
of the blockage?

Precisely. Isn't it easier to reverse at Uxbridge or is there a shortage
of stock and depot capacity?

Also, where is the C stock that can't reach Hammersmith being maintained?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...


Also, where is the C stock that can't reach Hammersmith being maintained?


Around 10 C stocks have been stabled at Barking since 7th July. Therefore
it seems that the stock is available to run some kind of Olympia - Tower
Hill/Whitechapel/Barking service filling the gaps created by the missing
Circles & H&C service. Circle/H&C drivers would have route knowledge with
the possible exception Gloucester Road to Olympia. But the main problem is
that if all this C stock is being utilised then it has to be
serviced/maintained at somewhere other than Hammersmith.

Paul