Why can't the Picc terminate southbound at Wood Green?
 

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:09:03 GMT, Stuart
wrote:

Steve Fitzgerald wrote:

Nothing has run through since Thursday. Hence we have 73 stock parked
up all over the place, South Harrow & Ealing Common for two and I
suspect Uxbridge, although I've not been there since I left my train
there on the day.

Oops, pressed send too early

So there's too many trains in the wrong places. Are there any other
routes to transfer them from the Arnos Grove end to the section west of
Hyde Park corner?

No - regrettably the Picc Line is a "trunk route" between key depot
locations like Ruislip, Acton and Lillie Bridge and other tube lines
like the Northern and Victoria. The key crossovers and junctions are at
Kings Cross and Finsbury Park.

I can't see how you get the trains rebalanced until the Picc Line is
available again to move stock through the tunnels.

What's to stop some of those at the east end being moved wrong road from
Arnos Grove to HPC?

Why can't the Picc terminate southbound at Wood Green?
 

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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No - regrettably the Picc Line is a "trunk route" between key depot
locations like Ruislip, Acton and Lillie Bridge and other tube lines
like the Northern and Victoria. The key crossovers and junctions are at
Kings Cross and Finsbury Park.
I can't see how you get the trains rebalanced until the Picc Line is
available again to move stock through the tunnels.

And presumably no engineers' trains can be transferred to the north end of
the Picc or indeed the entire Northern Line while this situation continues.

Why can't the Picc terminate southbound at Wood Green?
 

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

Are the platforms at Ally Pally long enough for more than 2 x 313
units anyway?

I would have hoped so given the WAGN regularly run 6 car trains into
Moorgate from the GN Inner Suburban network. Unless I'm missing
something? - not a service I use very much these days.

My point was that the only way of providing more trains would be to stop
some of the GN Outers. They are all made up of four car units of classes
317 and 365. Obviously a four car train could stop but is there room for
eight cars? The GN Inners use class 313 three car units, so the trains are
three or six cars.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Why can't the Picc terminate southbound at Wood Green?
 

Brimstone wrote:
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:09:03 GMT, Stuart
wrote:

Steve Fitzgerald wrote:

Nothing has run through since Thursday. Hence we have 73 stock
parked up all over the place, South Harrow & Ealing Common for
two and I suspect Uxbridge, although I've not been there since I
left my train there on the day.

Oops, pressed send too early

So there's too many trains in the wrong places. Are there any
other routes to transfer them from the Arnos Grove end to the
section west of Hyde Park corner?

No - regrettably the Picc Line is a "trunk route" between key depot
locations like Ruislip, Acton and Lillie Bridge and other tube
lines like the Northern and Victoria. The key crossovers and
junctions are at Kings Cross and Finsbury Park.

I can't see how you get the trains rebalanced until the Picc Line
is available again to move stock through the tunnels.

What's to stop some of those at the east end being moved wrong road
from Arnos Grove to HPC?

But if stock is "parked up all over the place" in West London, the
problem would seem to be where the drivers are based, not where the
trains are.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Why can't the Picc terminate southbound at Wood Green?
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:34 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

Are the platforms at Ally Pally long enough for more than 2 x 313
units anyway?

I would have hoped so given the WAGN regularly run 6 car trains into
Moorgate from the GN Inner Suburban network. Unless I'm missing
something? - not a service I use very much these days.

My point was that the only way of providing more trains would be to stop
some of the GN Outers. They are all made up of four car units of classes
317 and 365. Obviously a four car train could stop but is there room for
eight cars? The GN Inners use class 313 three car units, so the trains are
three or six cars.

OK - I had missed that.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Why can't the Picc terminate southbound at Wood Green?
 

In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes

If you say so. I thought it was also said that reversing at Uxbridge was
simpler than doing it at Rayner's Lane but there you go. I appreciate the
trip length is greater which may upset other calculations though.

As restoration of the full Piccadilly service is likely to be some months
away, presumably someone is working on the rostering as we write?

I believe so.
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Why can't the Picc terminate southbound at Wood Green?
 

In message , Stuart
writes

So there's too many trains in the wrong places. Are there any other
routes to transfer them from the Arnos Grove end to the section west of
Hyde Park corner?

Unfortunately no.

As there are enough trains in the right places to run the services that
are being run, I doubt that's in anyone's mind at the moment.
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Why can't the Picc terminate southbound at Wood Green?
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:03:48 GMT, Stuart
wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

Are the platforms at Ally Pally long enough for more than 2 x 313 units
anyway?

No idea what a 313 unit is,

The 3-car trains used on the WAGN inner suburban service.

but I was talking about more trains stopping
rather than longer ones.

Ah, but the extra trains you were talking about stopping are sometimes
8 cars in length (and maybe 12?), so they might not fit in a platform
if it's only designed for 6-car trains (like the surburban platforms
at Kings Cross).

The platforms are quite long though, the 6 carriage trains fit in thre
with plenty of room to spare

In which case it wouldn't be a problem.

Why can't the Picc terminate southbound at Wood Green?
 

In article , David Splett
writes
And presumably no engineers' trains can be transferred to the north end of
the Picc or indeed the entire Northern Line while this situation continues.

Or the Victoria Line.

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Why can't the Picc terminate southbound at Wood Green?
 

In article , asdf
writes
Ah, but the extra trains you were talking about stopping are sometimes
8 cars in length (and maybe 12?), so they might not fit in a platform
if it's only designed for 6-car trains (like the surburban platforms
at Kings Cross).

The Ally Pally platforms are between 167m and 170m (the same length as
Biggleswade) and so can hold 2x365 (i.e. 8 cars).

The suburban platforms at KX are between 163m and 166m and hold 2x365
quite happily.

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