In message , at 16:47:09 on
Tue, 9 Aug 2005, David Bennetts
remarked:
This is the first I have heard that any passengers evacuating trains in
London during last month's terror attacks were electrocuted by a live rail.
Was that true?

For the first several hours the story on the news was that the trains
had suffered from the effects of a "power surge", and over a period of
20 minutes. A few hours later it was admitted that they were bombs, and
a few days later that they were all at virtually the same time because
the railway had automated records of when the power was shut off.
--
Roland Perry

"David Bennetts" Sydney's system is powered
by overhead wire, so that danger
doesn't exist in Sydney's tunnels.. Vince Graham continues to defend the
indefensible in continuing to maintain the policy of locking people in
trains without any passenger actuated door releases available, and the
absence of any devices to enable passengers to break or remove
strengthened glass windows in trains to escape.


And the EDR's on the outside, and dont the V and M sets EDRs still require a
key?

"wb" wrote in message
...

"David Bennetts" Sydney's system is
powered by overhead wire, so that danger
doesn't exist in Sydney's tunnels.. Vince Graham continues to defend the
indefensible in continuing to maintain the policy of locking people in
trains without any passenger actuated door releases available, and the
absence of any devices to enable passengers to break or remove
strengthened glass windows in trains to escape.


And the EDR's on the outside, and dont the V and M sets EDRs still require
a key?
And I understand the G and T set Tangaras. In my opinion these flaps
should be modified so that they are left unlocked whilst the trains are in
service, and only locked when the train is stabled. You don't want one or
two staff to be fumbling around for keys to release passengers in the event
of an emergency.

Regards

David Bennetts

David Bennetts wrote:
"wb" wrote in message
...

"David Bennetts" Sydney's system is
powered by overhead wire, so that danger
doesn't exist in Sydney's tunnels.. Vince Graham continues to
defend the indefensible in continuing to maintain the policy of
locking people in trains without any passenger actuated door
releases available, and the absence of any devices to enable
passengers to break or remove strengthened glass windows in
trains to escape.


And the EDR's on the outside, and dont the V and M sets EDRs still
require a key?
And I understand the G and T set Tangaras. In my opinion these
flaps should be modified so that they are left unlocked whilst the
trains are in service, and only locked when the train is stabled.
You don't want one or two staff to be fumbling around for keys to
release passengers in the event of an emergency.

EDRs? V and M? G and T? Tangaras?
Can we please have a translation for the benefit of the
uk.transport.london people you're crossposting to?

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:

EDRs?

Emergency door releases.

V and M? G and T? Tangaras?

V-set, double-deck interurban EMUs

http://www.cityrail.info/aboutus/trains/v_control.jsp
http://www.cityrail.info/aboutus/trains/v_trailer.jsp

M-set, "Millenium" double-deck suburban EMUs

http://www.cityrail.info/aboutus/trains/m_control.jsp
http://www.cityrail.info/aboutus/trains/m_motor.jsp

T-set, Tangara suburban EMUs

http://www.cityrail.info/aboutus/trains/t_control.jsp
http://www.cityrail.info/aboutus/trains/t_trailer.jsp

G-set, Tangara double-deck interurban EMUs

http://www.cityrail.info/aboutus/trains/g_control.jsp
http://www.cityrail.info/aboutus/trains/g_trailer.jsp

All the best,

Mark.

David Bennetts wrote:

And I understand the G and T set Tangaras. In my opinion these
flaps should be modified so that they are left unlocked whilst the
trains are in service

Not all EDRs on T-sets require a key.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:34:08 +1000, "wb"
wrote:


"David Bennetts" Sydney's system is powered
by overhead wire, so that danger
doesn't exist in Sydney's tunnels.. Vince Graham continues to defend the
indefensible in continuing to maintain the policy of locking people in
trains without any passenger actuated door releases available, and the
absence of any devices to enable passengers to break or remove
strengthened glass windows in trains to escape.


And the EDR's on the outside, and dont the V and M sets EDRs still require a
key?

S, R, L, V and M sets require a bilock key.

T and G sets do not require any key.

When stabled correctly (never), the T and G set EDRs are disabled.

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David Bennetts wrote:

I read with interest the following article:

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...8,16201875%25-
5E1702,00.html

This is the first I have heard that any passengers evacuating trains
in London during last month's terror attacks were electrocuted by a
live rail. Was that true? Sydney's system is powered by overhead
wire, so that danger doesn't exist in Sydney's tunnels.

If the wire is down, and still live, danger exists.

David Bennetts wrote:

I read with interest the following article:

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...5E1702,00.html

This is the first I have heard that any passengers evacuating trains in
London during last month's terror attacks were electrocuted by a live rail.
Was that true? Sydney's system is powered by overhead wire, so that danger
doesn't exist in Sydney's tunnels.. Vince Graham continues to defend the
indefensible in continuing to maintain the policy of locking people in
trains without any passenger actuated door releases available, and the
absence of any devices to enable passengers to break or remove strengthened
glass windows in trains to escape.


In the interview I heard with one of the drivers on the Piccadilly Line
train (there was a relief driver travelling in the cab because it was
too busy in the passenger compartment) on BBC News, he said that the
first thing they did was to apply the Short Circuit device to the rails,
thus making the tracks safe