Commute from Harrow to Marlow
 

Is this - via A40/M40 - going to be a nightmare ?

Any idea on time ?

Leaving Harrow in the morning, returning evening.

Ta

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writes
Is this - via A40/M40 - going to be a nightmare ?

Any idea on time ?

Leaving Harrow in the morning, returning evening.

You will be going against the prevailing traffic, so it shouldn't be a
problem once you get to the A40.
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wrote in message
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Is this - via A40/M40 - going to be a nightmare ?

Any idea on time ?

Leaving Harrow in the morning, returning evening.

The A312 is very slow going north from Northolt Target in the evening. Maybe
coming off at Polish War Memorial and going past South Ruislip station might
be better.

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thoss wrote:
In article .com,
writes
Is this - via A40/M40 - going to be a nightmare ?

Any idea on time ?

Leaving Harrow in the morning, returning evening.

You will be going against the prevailing traffic, so it shouldn't be a
problem once you get to the A40.

....although sometimes Handy Cross (M40 junction 4) and the A404 can be a
bit of a pain.

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Is this - via A40/M40 - going to be a nightmare ?

Any idea on time ?

Leaving Harrow in the morning, returning evening.

Shouldn't be too bad - when coming back in the evening, make sure you go up
through Marlow Bottom to get onto the M40 instead of via the A404. It's a
godsend of a road that can save absolutely ****loads of time. I've cut
through that way instead of staying on the A404, and been 2nd at the lights
when the A404's been queuing all the way back to the A4155 junction.

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Is this - via A40/M40 - going to be a nightmare ?

Any idea on time ?

Leaving Harrow in the morning, returning evening.

You will be going against the prevailing traffic, so it shouldn't be a
problem once you get to the A40.

...although sometimes Handy Cross (M40 junction 4) and the A404 can be a
bit of a pain.

Exit at J3 and use the Flackwell Heath / Sheepridge Lane route then.

That might be a good idea going to Marlow in the morning (not too familiar
with the traffic westbound coming off at J4 in the morning), but in the
evening, coming through Marlow Bottom, to go straight up to Handy Cross and
onto the M40 shouldn't be too much trouble at all - the roundabout itself is
never that bad from what I've seen, it's just the queues up to it, mainly on
the A404 from the South.

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In message , at 19:32:37 on Thu, 3 Nov
2005, Dave Arquati remarked:
Leaving Harrow in the morning, returning evening.

You will be going against the prevailing traffic, so it shouldn't be a
problem once you get to the A40.

...although sometimes Handy Cross (M40 junction 4) and the A404 can be
a bit of a pain.

I've often been held up in a two lane jam all the way up the hill to the
M40 from the Marlow junction. The OP should consider other ways to get
from Marlow to the M40, if possible! It might even be quicker to go down
to the M4 and east as far as J3, then north through Yeading and
Northolt.
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Leaving Harrow in the morning, returning evening.

You will be going against the prevailing traffic, so it shouldn't be a
problem once you get to the A40.

...although sometimes Handy Cross (M40 junction 4) and the A404 can be a
bit of a pain.

I've often been held up in a two lane jam all the way up the hill to the
M40 from the Marlow junction. The OP should consider other ways to get
from Marlow to the M40, if possible! It might even be quicker to go down
to the M4 and east as far as J3, then north through Yeading and Northolt.

Why? That's absolute lunacy. The road up past Marlow Bottom (Wycombe Road)
is a very easy and hassle-free way to get up to Handy Cross. The longest
queue I've ever encountered going that way has been about 3 cars long, and
that's been with the A404 grinding to a halt just after the Marlow junction.
Of course, you could go up Sheepridge Lane (IIRC) and up through Flackwell
Heath, getting on the M40 at Junction 3.

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In message , at 12:10:05 on
Fri, 4 Nov 2005, AstraVanMan
remarked:
I've often been held up in a two lane jam all the way up the hill to the
M40 from the Marlow junction. The OP should consider other ways to get
from Marlow to the M40, if possible! It might even be quicker to go down
to the M4 and east as far as J3, then north through Yeading and Northolt.

Why? That's absolute lunacy.

Using "main" roads it would almost certainly reduce the journey time.

The road up past Marlow Bottom (Wycombe Road)
is a very easy and hassle-free way to get up to Handy Cross.

Sounds fine, I've not tried that rat run, but thanks for alerting me to
it - I will next time I'm there!
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I've often been held up in a two lane jam all the way up the hill to the
M40 from the Marlow junction. The OP should consider other ways to get
from Marlow to the M40, if possible! It might even be quicker to go down
to the M4 and east as far as J3, then north through Yeading and
Northolt.

Why? That's absolute lunacy.

Using "main" roads it would almost certainly reduce the journey time.

Would it? When you say through Yeading and Northolt I'm guessing you're
talking the A312, and not the old main road (Yeading Lane?). I certainly
wouldn't choose to go that way in the rush hour, having experienced queues
up to the White Hart roundabout to a small extent and, to a much larger
extent, up to the Target roundabout, with that peak hours bus lane taking
out half of the road capacity when it's needed most!

Or were you thinking about heading up past South Ruislip station and in to
Harrow that way?

The road up past Marlow Bottom (Wycombe Road)
is a very easy and hassle-free way to get up to Handy Cross.

Sounds fine, I've not tried that rat run, but thanks for alerting me to
it - I will next time I'm there!

Keep it quiet though, you don't want it getting all over the internet, or
the route will quickly clog up. :-)

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In message , at 14:32:21 on Fri,
4 Nov 2005, AstraVanMan
remarked:
Using "main" roads it would almost certainly reduce the journey time.

Would it?

I'm comparing it with the route that involves sitting half on hour the
hill up to High Wycombe, remember.

When you say through Yeading and Northolt I'm guessing you're
talking the A312, and not the old main road (Yeading Lane?).

A312 all the way, past Northolt Station.

It's a few years since I've motored around there very much, so the fine
detail of exactly which roads to use might be different.
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:11:33 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

I've often been held up in a two lane jam all the way up the hill to the
M40 from the Marlow junction. The OP should consider other ways to get
from Marlow to the M40, if possible! It might even be quicker to go down
to the M4 and east as far as J3, then north through Yeading and
Northolt.

Handy Cross will be experiencing road works until end 2006 shortly to
add in extra slip roads. Odds are an unpleasant experience at peak
times until it's finished (or until the disaster that it is is ever
fixed properly..)

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In message , at 15:58:55 on
Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Colum Mylod remarked:
Handy Cross will be experiencing road works until end 2006 shortly to
add in extra slip roads. Odds are an unpleasant experience at peak
times until it's finished (or until the disaster that it is is ever
fixed properly..)

Perhaps it should be renamed "Not very Handy" Cross.

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Using "main" roads it would almost certainly reduce the journey time.

Would it?

I'm comparing it with the route that involves sitting half on hour the
hill up to High Wycombe, remember.

When you say through Yeading and Northolt I'm guessing you're
talking the A312, and not the old main road (Yeading Lane?).

A312 all the way, past Northolt Station.

It's a few years since I've motored around there very much, so the fine
detail of exactly which roads to use might be different.

I'm on about the bit before the A40. Right pain, that is.

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"AstraVanMan" wrote in message
...

The road up past Marlow Bottom (Wycombe Road)
is a very easy and hassle-free way to get up to Handy Cross.

Sounds fine, I've not tried that rat run, but thanks for alerting me to
it - I will next time I'm there!

Keep it quiet though, you don't want it getting all over the internet, or
the route will quickly clog up. :-)

Too late!

You had to tell him, didn't you?!?!

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AstraVanMan wrote:
Is this - via A40/M40 - going to be a nightmare ?

Any idea on time ?

Leaving Harrow in the morning, returning evening.


You will be going against the prevailing traffic, so it shouldn't be a
problem once you get to the A40.

...although sometimes Handy Cross (M40 junction 4) and the A404 can be a
bit of a pain.

Exit at J3 and use the Flackwell Heath / Sheepridge Lane route then.


That might be a good idea going to Marlow in the morning (not too familiar
with the traffic westbound coming off at J4 in the morning), but in the
evening, coming through Marlow Bottom, to go straight up to Handy Cross and
onto the M40 shouldn't be too much trouble at all - the roundabout itself is
never that bad from what I've seen, it's just the queues up to it, mainly on
the A404 from the South.

Handy cross i9s stuffed at the moment for about 150 years avoid at all costs

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"AstraVanMan" wrote in message
...

I certainly wouldn't choose to go that way in the
rush hour, having experienced queues up to the
White Hart roundabout to a small extent and,
to a much larger extent, up to the Target roundabout,
with that peak hours bus lane taking
out half of the road capacity when it's needed most!

Generally the capacity of a road is limited by the capacity of the
junctions. If the bus lane doesn't reach the most restricted junction, it
doesn't reduce the capacity at all - it actually increases the capacity by
encouraging certain drivers to get the bus instead, leaving more capacity
free for people who can not reasonably use the bus for their particular
journey.

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Is this - via A40/M40 - going to be a nightmare ?

Any idea on time ?

Leaving Harrow in the morning, returning evening.

The A312 is very slow going north from Northolt Target in the evening. Maybe
coming off at Polish War Memorial and going past South Ruislip station might
be better.

The OP might also try coming off at the Greenford B&Q exit, turning left
past Greenford tube station, past Westway Cross retail park, and then
getting onto Whitton Avenue and heading back towards Harrow that way.

It's a little detour, but it does avoid the queue getting off the A40 at
either Target or Polish - which can be as bad as 15-20 minutes or so.

Regards
Paul

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I certainly wouldn't choose to go that way in the
rush hour, having experienced queues up to the
White Hart roundabout to a small extent and,
to a much larger extent, up to the Target roundabout,
with that peak hours bus lane taking
out half of the road capacity when it's needed most!

Generally the capacity of a road is limited by the capacity of the
junctions. If the bus lane doesn't reach the most restricted junction, it
doesn't reduce the capacity at all - it actually increases the capacity by
encouraging certain drivers to get the bus instead, leaving more capacity
free for people who can not reasonably use the bus for their particular
journey.

All very well if any of that was relevant to this case. Unfortunately it
isn't. The Target roundabout's a very busy roundabout with a lot of people
going straight on towards Northolt station and Harrow, and a very heavy flow
of traffic taking the Eastbound A40. The traffic needs to be separated into
different lanes for a lot longer than the very short distance between the
end of the bus lane and the junction. And the bus theory would work if at
least 50% of drivers did take the bus. Unfortunately, for probably the vast
majority of the drivers, taking the car is far quicker than using the bus,
so that's not going to happen, and the congestion stays.

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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 19:08:14 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 15:58:55 on
Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Colum Mylod remarked:
Handy Cross will be experiencing road works until end 2006 shortly to
add in extra slip roads. Odds are an unpleasant experience at peak
times until it's finished (or until the disaster that it is is ever
fixed properly..)

Perhaps it should be renamed "Not very Handy" Cross.

unHandy Cross is my choice! Abomination of a junction. Mix drivers who
follow lanes with those who follow their instincts and ignore the
markings versus the tosspots who cut across all lanes near their exit.
Designed by people who have no clue of car & driver behaviour.

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