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Hi all,

Drains in varous London roads were emitting clouds of steam tonight. Why
tonight, when they don't normally do this?

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John Rowland:
Drains in varous London roads were emitting clouds of steam tonight.
Why tonight, when they don't normally do this?

Cleaning time? http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/cleaning.htm

Does London have a system of steam mains that provide winter heating
to various buildings, as some cities do?
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 03:04:19 -0000,
John Rowland
wrote in :

Drains in varous London roads were emitting clouds of steam tonight. Why
tonight, when they don't normally do this?

The weather. I imagine the air would have been close to 100%
relative humidity -- the cooler the air the less water vapour it can
carry, so cooled air tends towards its saturation point. However, the air
immediately above a quantity of water is essentially saturated (100% r.h.)
at the temperature of the water. Say the water in the drains was still at
15 C while the air was 0 C[1]; the partial pressure of water vapour in the
outside air would be 4.6 mmHg, that in the drain 12.8 mmHg. Any movement
of the air from the drain to the outside would cool the air to super-
saturation, and the excess water would form droplets, visible as steam.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...watvap.html#c1

[1] It's -3 C here at the moment; got to 0 C around 10 or 11 last night.

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 05:16:23 -0000, (Mark Brader) wrote:

Does London have a system of steam mains that provide winter heating
to various buildings, as some cities do?

There was hydraulic power until quite recently.
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...on/index.shtml

Battersea Power Station used to pipe hot water under the Thames to
provide heating to Dolphin Square and Pimlico. But I don't know of
any large-scale steam system. New York has one.

Steaming drains
 

John Rowland wrote:

Drains in varous London roads were emitting clouds of steam tonight. Why
tonight, when they don't normally do this?

Presumably because it was cold, and the contents of the drains were
warmer. It was *condensing water vapour* rather than steam, and doesn't
need to be nearly so hot. Steam, FWIW, is as invisible as the rest of
the air.
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Laurence Payne writes:
There was hydraulic power until quite recently.

We know that!

Battersea Power Station used to pipe hot water under the Thames to
provide heating to Dolphin Square and Pimlico. But I don't know of
any large-scale steam system.

I see.
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In message , John Rowland
writes

Drains in varous London roads were emitting clouds of steam tonight. Why
tonight, when they don't normally do this?

Around 10 this morning I noticed a steaming drain in the middle of the
King's Road near the M&S, and shortly afterward clouds of vapour rising
off the Thames near Chelsea Harbour.

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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, congokid wrote:

In message , John Rowland
writes

Drains in varous London roads were emitting clouds of steam tonight.
Why tonight, when they don't normally do this?

Around 10 this morning I noticed a steaming drain in the middle of the King's
Road near the M&S, and shortly afterward clouds of vapour rising off the
Thames near Chelsea Harbour.

Is this anything to do with the new series of Doctor Who?

tom

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Laurence Payne wrote:

Battersea Power Station used to pipe hot water under the Thames to
provide heating to Dolphin Square and Pimlico.

When the station closed thiis was replaced by a coal-fired boiler house
between the power station and the railway. This was later converted to
'dual', I assume gas and oil, firing according to its sign. Quite
recently this was demolished, does anyone know what has now replaced
it?

But I don't know of
any large-scale steam system. New York has one.

Many New York drains seem to be steaming, whatever the weather. They
also have strange orange and white 'barber's pole' striped chimneys,
for want of a better word, maybe two metres high, which can be seen
sticking up in the middle of the road. They look quite temporary.
I've also seen large, cylinders of liqiid gas, Nitrogen I think, on
street corners, chained to a pole of some sort, with the gas being
piped underground. I think this was being done by Verizon
(telephones), so pipe freezing doesn't seem likely. Any ideas?

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In article . com,
wrote:
Laurence Payne wrote:

Battersea Power Station used to pipe hot water under the Thames to
provide heating to Dolphin Square and Pimlico.

When the station closed thiis was replaced by a coal-fired boiler house
between the power station and the railway. This was later converted to
'dual', I assume gas and oil, firing according to its sign. Quite
recently this was demolished, does anyone know what has now replaced
it?

On the Battersea Power Station site, nothing. For providing hot water
to Dolphin Square and the Churchill Gardens Estate, the Pimlico
District Heating Unit was built on the estate. It breaks down very
frequently indeed.

Unfortunately when Dolphin Square was built it must have been assumed
that Battersea Power Station would last forever as the lease conditions
allowed residents hot water for free for as long as the lease lasted.

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"Furles" write:
I've also seen large, cylinders of liqiid gas, Nitrogen I think, on
street corners, chained to a pole of some sort, with the gas being
piped underground. I think this was being done by Verizon
(telephones), so pipe freezing doesn't seem likely. ...

I noticed this myself the last time I was in New York, and had a chance
to ask a Verizon technician about it. It's simple cooling; the gas
cools as it expands on leaving the cylinder. As I recall what the man
told me, that they do it if the underground electronics are found to be
overheating. One cylinder lasts about a week.

I didn't ask why they use nitrogen, because that was obvious. It won't
support combustion and thus helps suppress any fire that might start
due to the overheating, and it's relatively cheap.
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In message . com,
writes

Laurence Payne wrote:

Battersea Power Station used to pipe hot water under the Thames to
provide heating to Dolphin Square and Pimlico.

When the station closed thiis was replaced by a coal-fired boiler house
between the power station and the railway. This was later converted to
'dual', I assume gas and oil, firing according to its sign. Quite
recently this was demolished, does anyone know what has now replaced
it?

I always thought that the excess heat from Battersea was used to heat
homes on the Churchill Estate in Pimlico but not Dolphin Square. Have
I been misinformed?
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In article ,
Ian Jelf wrote:
In message . com,
writes
Laurence Payne wrote:

Battersea Power Station used to pipe hot water under the Thames to
provide heating to Dolphin Square and Pimlico.

When the station closed thiis was replaced by a coal-fired boiler house
between the power station and the railway. This was later converted to
'dual', I assume gas and oil, firing according to its sign. Quite
recently this was demolished, does anyone know what has now replaced
it?

I always thought that the excess heat from Battersea was used to heat
homes on the Churchill Estate in Pimlico but not Dolphin Square. Have
I been misinformed?

Yes. Dolphin Square was built first - in the 1930s, shortly after
Battersea Power Station, so the pipe under the Thames carrying the
excess heat was built for it; Churchill Gardens was built after the
war and it was realised that there was still excess heat so the
system was extended to cover it.

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ical weapons and is working towards a nuclear capability. The dossier contains
confirmation of information that we either knew or most certainly should have
been willing to assume." - Menzies Campbell, 24th September 2002.