Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

I now have a Fleet-London Terminals season ticket, valid "any
permitted".

I assume it's valid on the mainline from Fleet to Waterloo, plus
Waterloo to London Bridge overground and Clapham Jcn to Victoria.

It's difficult to see what other routes might be permitted - via
Cobham to Guildford is a possibility I suppose, or on the Clapham Jcn
- Willesden Line (can I go to Kenny O on it?) Can anyone confirm if
there are any routes it might be valid on that I'm currently unaware
of?

Cheers,

Phil

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

I now have a Fleet-London Terminals season ticket, valid "any
permitted".

I assume it's valid on the mainline from Fleet to Waterloo, plus
Waterloo to London Bridge overground and Clapham Jcn to Victoria.

It's difficult to see what other routes might be permitted - via
Cobham to Guildford is a possibility I suppose, or on the Clapham Jcn
- Willesden Line (can I go to Kenny O on it?) Can anyone confirm if
there are any routes it might be valid on that I'm currently unaware
of?

Cheers,

Phil

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

"Phil Clark" wrote in message
...
I now have a Fleet-London Terminals season ticket, valid "any
permitted".

I assume it's valid on the mainline from Fleet to Waterloo, plus
Waterloo to London Bridge overground and Clapham Jcn to Victoria.

It's difficult to see what other routes might be permitted - via
Cobham to Guildford is a possibility I suppose, or on the Clapham Jcn
- Willesden Line (can I go to Kenny O on it?) Can anyone confirm if
there are any routes it might be valid on that I'm currently unaware
of?

Try http://www.davros.org/rail/routeing-guide.html and
http://www.atoc.org/rsp/Routeing%20Guide/enrg.htm
--
David Biddulph

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

"David Biddulph" wrote in message
...
"Phil Clark" wrote in message
...
I now have a Fleet-London Terminals season ticket, valid "any
permitted".

I assume it's valid on the mainline from Fleet to Waterloo, plus
Waterloo to London Bridge overground and Clapham Jcn to Victoria.

It's difficult to see what other routes might be permitted - via
Cobham to Guildford is a possibility I suppose, or on the Clapham Jcn
- Willesden Line (can I go to Kenny O on it?) Can anyone confirm if
there are any routes it might be valid on that I'm currently unaware
of?

Try http://www.davros.org/rail/routeing-guide.html and
http://www.atoc.org/rsp/Routeing%20Guide/enrg.htm

It's a bit difficult as Map CS seems to be bust. Routeing points are
Farnborough and Basingstoke. I'm assuming Farnborough will always be OK on
the fares rule going to London. Basingstoke is no good (on fares rule) so
you can't go via Reading to Paddington.

Regards

Jonathan

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:52:26 +0000 (UTC), "David Biddulph"
wrote:

Try http://www.davros.org/rail/routeing-guide.html and
http://www.atoc.org/rsp/Routeing%20Guide/enrg.htm

Thanks. Clive's site seems to add Blackfriars to the list of possible
London termini; the Atoc site I'm not quite sure I understand... but I
will persevere!

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

"Phil Clark" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:52:26 +0000 (UTC), "David Biddulph"
wrote:

Try http://www.davros.org/rail/routeing-guide.html and
http://www.atoc.org/rsp/Routeing%20Guide/enrg.htm

Thanks. Clive's site seems to add Blackfriars to the list of possible
London termini; the Atoc site I'm not quite sure I understand... but I
will persevere!

You mad fool, you...

Jonathan

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

Jonathan Morton wrote:
"David Biddulph" wrote in message
...
"Phil Clark" wrote in message
...
I now have a Fleet-London Terminals season ticket, valid "any
permitted".

I assume it's valid on the mainline from Fleet to Waterloo, plus
Waterloo to London Bridge overground and Clapham Jcn to Victoria.

It's difficult to see what other routes might be permitted - via
Cobham to Guildford is a possibility I suppose, or on the Clapham Jcn
- Willesden Line (can I go to Kenny O on it?) Can anyone confirm if
there are any routes it might be valid on that I'm currently unaware
of?

Try http://www.davros.org/rail/routeing-guide.html and
http://www.atoc.org/rsp/Routeing%20Guide/enrg.htm

It's a bit difficult as Map CS seems to be bust. Routeing points are
Farnborough and Basingstoke. I'm assuming Farnborough will always be OK on
the fares rule going to London. Basingstoke is no good (on fares rule) so
you can't go via Reading to Paddington.

Regards

Jonathan



Map CS (You can get it by clicking on download all maps on the maps
page, but be warned it is a hefty pdf) in combination with Map WR
basically seems to be there to allow you to go from Farnborough to
Reading via Wokingham and thence *via Slough* to Paddington or
Waterloo via Olympia and Clapham Junction.

It also seems to allow a ridiculous route from Farnborough to Guildford
and on to Redhill via the North Downs then through Croydon and
Streatham (since these are routing groups I assume that routes via
either Selhurst or Gipsy Hill to Balham are valid) to Clapham
Junction. This is all on map CS from Clapham Junction you can travel on
map WR to Waterloo, or possibly via Olympia to Paddington (if that is
possible without falling foul of the doubling back rule) You'd have to
be very brave to try that one (although it does extend the usefulness
of your season ticket considerably) and if you do I suggest that you
carry printouts of the relevant sections and maps from the routing
guide.

Map WX is direct via Woking to Victoria or Waterloo.

To further answer the OPs queried routes via Guildford and Cobham is
not allowed, nor is Guildford and Woking. The Chertsey route is not
allowed and nor are routes using the Reading to Waterloo line.

Hope that helps,

David

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Jonathan Morton wrote:

It's a bit difficult as Map CS seems to be bust.

Indeed its JPG seems to be missing from the individual maps, but it's
present in the PDF download of section D - or at least it was when I
downloaded a copy a couple of weeks back, which is a bit short of
500kB if one cares to fetch it:
http://www.atoc.org/rsp/Routeing%20G...s/sectiond.pdf

Map CS comes with the catchy title of:
South East to North West and Lincolnshire via Birmingham
continued on next page

cheers

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

Phil Clark wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:52:26 +0000 (UTC), "David Biddulph"
wrote:

Try http://www.davros.org/rail/routeing-guide.html and
http://www.atoc.org/rsp/Routeing%20Guide/enrg.htm

Thanks. Clive's site seems to add Blackfriars to the list of possible
London termini; the Atoc site I'm not quite sure I understand... but I
will persevere!
My Watford Junc to Vauxhall (via Clapham) is shown as London Termini
and is exactly the same as a WJ to Euston so I suppose you could go up
to Willesden then into Euston if you had too much time to know what to
do with. I guess Kensington is ok.

Kevin

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

wrote:
snip
This is all on map CS from Clapham Junction you can travel on
map WR to Waterloo, or possibly via Olympia to Paddington (if that is
possible without falling foul of the doubling back rule) You'd have to
be very brave to try that one (although it does extend the usefulness
of your season ticket considerably) and if you do I suggest that you
carry printouts of the relevant sections and maps from the routing
guide.

snip

To get to Paddington from Olympia you'd have to double back from
Reading. Changing at Acton Town would be OK but no trains (from
Olympia) stop there.

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

wrote:
wrote:
snip
This is all on map CS from Clapham Junction you can travel on
map WR to Waterloo, or possibly via Olympia to Paddington (if that is
possible without falling foul of the doubling back rule) You'd have to
be very brave to try that one (although it does extend the usefulness
of your season ticket considerably) and if you do I suggest that you
carry printouts of the relevant sections and maps from the routing
guide.

snip

To get to Paddington from Olympia you'd have to double back from
Reading. Changing at Acton Town would be OK but no trains (from
Olympia) stop there.

oops - the ticket is valid to Reading anyway, so it's not doubling
back, it's a new journey??

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

On 24 Nov 2005 01:34:04 -0800, wrote:


wrote:
wrote:
snip
This is all on map CS from Clapham Junction you can travel on
map WR to Waterloo, or possibly via Olympia to Paddington (if that is
possible without falling foul of the doubling back rule)

To get to Paddington from Olympia you'd have to double back from
Reading. Changing at Acton Town would be OK but no trains (from
Olympia) stop there.

oops - the ticket is valid to Reading anyway, so it's not doubling
back, it's a new journey??

Correct - as it's a season, you can use it for a journey from
Kensington Olympia to Reading (intermediate stations on a Permitted
Route), and then a "separate" journey from Reading to Paddington
(intermediate stations on a different Permitted Route). It wouldn't be
possible on a single without doubling back though, unless VXC ever
decide to stop at Acton Main Line :)

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:26:38 GMT, Phil Clark
wrote:

Try http://www.davros.org/rail/routeing-guide.html and
http://www.atoc.org/rsp/Routeing%20Guide/enrg.htm

Thanks. Clive's site seems to add Blackfriars to the list of possible
London termini; the Atoc site I'm not quite sure I understand... but I
will persevere!

That's odd; Blackfriars isn't shown on any of the relevant maps. For
some reason CORE is adding a superfluous cross-London transfer to
Blackfriars onto the end of each route. (The ticket is probably not
even valid for cross-London transfer.)

London Bridge isn't shown either, but CORE finds routes to it (via
Waterloo East); maybe it's recently been removed from map WR?

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

"asdf" wrote in message
...

That's odd; Blackfriars isn't shown on any of the relevant maps. For
some reason CORE is adding a superfluous cross-London transfer to
Blackfriars onto the end of each route. (The ticket is probably not
even valid for cross-London transfer.)

London Bridge isn't shown either, but CORE finds routes to it (via
Waterloo East); maybe it's recently been removed from map WR?

It's very odd that Blackfriars and the others aren't on the maps for the
South-western main line - it's clearly a reasonable route to get to the City
by changing at Wimbledon and going to Blackriars. I can't believe this would
be challenged.

Regards

Jonathan

Routing enquiry - Fleet to London Terminals
 

On 23 Nov 2005 15:59:06 -0800, wrote:

Thanks everyone who responded by the way - very helpful.

Map CS (You can get it by clicking on download all maps on the maps
page, but be warned it is a hefty pdf) in combination with Map WR
basically seems to be there to allow you to go from Farnborough to
Reading via Wokingham and thence *via Slough* to Paddington or
Waterloo via Olympia and Clapham Junction.

Surely going all the way to Reading would involve doubling back?
Shouldn't I change at Wokingham.

Mind you, it's a bit of a roundabout route to get to Reading from
Fleet, I imagine I'd usually prefer to pay and go via Basingstoke.
However, this implies that if I travel on the Great Western line I can
rely on my season ticket from Paddington to Reading.

It also seems to allow a ridiculous route from Farnborough to Guildford
and on to Redhill via the North Downs then through Croydon and
Streatham (since these are routing groups I assume that routes via
either Selhurst or Gipsy Hill to Balham are valid) to Clapham
Junction. This is all on map CS

This isn't quite as daft as it sounds - it just allows travel on the
same FGW Link that I can catch north towards Reading from Farnboro
North. It usefully gives me a route to Guildford for free, plus
Croydon and quite a bit of travel in S London, again potentially
useful. What about the other route from Croydon, to L Bridge via
Sydenham?

from Clapham Junction you can travel on
map WR to Waterloo, or possibly via Olympia to Paddington (if that is
possible without falling foul of the doubling back rule) You'd have to
be very brave to try that one (although it does extend the usefulness
of your season ticket considerably) and if you do I suggest that you
carry printouts of the relevant sections and maps from the routing
guide.

Others have suggested it's perfectly valid. I think I need to print
off the maps and carry them around with me, at least when I'm trying
out some of the more unusual routes - as well as get some timetables
for the FGW Reading/Gatwick line.

Cheers,

Phil