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Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional spare
platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services no longer use the
branch?

Paul

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"Paul Scott" wrote in message
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Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional spare
platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services no longer use
the branch?

I don't think so. LU already have two extra platforms at Moorgate that are
rarely used so there is no reason why they would need another two.

Peter Smyth

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Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:53:43 +0000 (UTC), "Paul Scott"


Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional spare
platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services no longer use the
branch?


Fill in the bays and install shops - generate more revenue than any
actual trains.

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Paul Scott wrote:
Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional spare
platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services no longer use the
branch?

Paul

Extend the DLR from Bank to Moorgate, Barbican and Farringdon.
Terminate at cross platform interchange on existing LUL carriage
sidings at Farringdon. Direct link from City Airport etc.

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Why not burrow out to the east to join up with Crossrail (yeuk) and dive
down to the west to join up with Crossrail (yeuk).

P.S. I don't like Crossrail!

In article , Peter Smyth
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"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...
Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional spare
platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services no longer use
the branch?

I don't think so. LU already have two extra platforms at Moorgate that are
rarely used so there is no reason why they would need another two.

Peter Smyth



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They are used very often to reverse late running Mets, H&C and Circle
line trains during service disruption. If the cost was right it would
be a good idea


Peter Smyth wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...
Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional spare
platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services no longer use
the branch?

I don't think so. LU already have two extra platforms at Moorgate that are
rarely used so there is no reason why they would need another two.

Peter Smyth

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On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, John wrote:

In article , Peter Smyth
writes

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...

Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional
spare platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services no
longer use the branch?

I don't think so. LU already have two extra platforms at Moorgate that
are rarely used so there is no reason why they would need another two.

Why not burrow out to the east to join up with Crossrail (yeuk) and dive
down to the west to join up with Crossrail (yeuk).

Because digging two subsurface-to-deep portals in the middle of the City
to exploit less than a mile of track isn't cost-effective. I've dreamed up
any number of schemes like this to use the Moorgate stub, but the
shallowness of the line pretty much clobbers all of them - anything they
connected to would need to be subsurface or surface level, else it'd be
cheaper and easier just to build a new deep-level tunnel instead, and
there just isn't anything at that level in that area that it makes sense
to connect to (unless the chance ever comes up to use the line as part of
a link from Farringdon to Liverpool Street - rather unlikely!).

The best idea i've heard is to use the stub for some sort of tram.

P.S. I don't like Crossrail!

Nor do i. And i like trams even less!

tom

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"Paul Scott" wrote in message
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Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using
the additional spare platforms at Moorgate station
once the Thameslink services no longer use the branch?

Put old trains in it and make it part of the Museum Of London at Barbican.

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Paul Scott:
Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using
the additional spare platforms at Moorgate station
once the Thameslink services no longer use the branch?

John Rowland:
Put old trains in it and make it part of the Museum Of London at Barbican.

Clever!
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Bob wrote:
Paul Scott wrote:
Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional spare
platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services no longer use the
branch?

Paul

Extend the DLR from Bank to Moorgate, Barbican and Farringdon.
Terminate at cross platform interchange on existing LUL carriage
sidings at Farringdon. Direct link from City Airport etc.

Isn't the DLR at Bank a) too deep, b) facing the wrong way, and c)
blocked by the bank of England's vaults even if those two problems
could be overcome? I think that one might be a bit of a non-starter I'm
afraid.

Jonn

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On 8 Jan 2006 12:16:30 -0800, "Bob" wrote:


Extend the DLR from Bank to Moorgate, Barbican and Farringdon.
Terminate at cross platform interchange on existing LUL carriage
sidings at Farringdon. Direct link from City Airport etc.

Never work, too much like common sense.


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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, John Rowland wrote:

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...

Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional
spare platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services no
longer use the branch?

Put old trains in it and make it part of the Museum Of London at Barbican.

Genius!

tom

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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, John Rowland wrote:

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...

Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional
spare platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services no
longer use the branch?

Put old trains in it and make it part of the Museum Of London at Barbican.

Still genius, BUT - is the line exposed enough to run steam trains? How
about a tiny, permanent steam-on-the-Met exhibit? :)

tom

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Paul Scott:
Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional
spare platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services
no longer use the branch?

"Bob":
Extend the DLR from Bank to Moorgate, Barbican and Farringdon.
Terminate at cross platform interchange on existing LUL carriage
sidings at Farringdon. Direct link from City Airport etc.

"Jonn":
Isn't the DLR at Bank a) too deep, b) facing the wrong way...

I wonder how bad it would be to make it a spiral tunnel, then?
Or a backwards S-shape, since DLR trains can make pretty sharp curves.

(Just musing, not a serious suggestion. If They seriously wanted
to do this extension, They'd ignore Paul's original suggestion and
build the connection to Barbican rather than Moorgate. Cf. Charing
Cross station, Jubilee Line.)

and c) blocked by the bank of England's vaults even if those two
problems could be overcome? ...

Well, I don't know where the vaults lie in relation to the DLR.

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Mark Brader wrote:
Paul Scott:
Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional
spare platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services
no longer use the branch?

"Bob":
Extend the DLR from Bank to Moorgate, Barbican and Farringdon.
Terminate at cross platform interchange on existing LUL carriage
sidings at Farringdon. Direct link from City Airport etc.

"Jonn":
Isn't the DLR at Bank a) too deep, b) facing the wrong way...

I wonder how bad it would be to make it a spiral tunnel, then?
Or a backwards S-shape, since DLR trains can make pretty sharp curves.

(Just musing, not a serious suggestion. If They seriously wanted
to do this extension, They'd ignore Paul's original suggestion and
build the connection to Barbican rather than Moorgate. Cf. Charing
Cross station, Jubilee Line.)

and c) blocked by the bank of England's vaults even if those two
problems could be overcome? ...

Well, I don't know where the vaults lie in relation to the DLR.

Extension of the DLR beyond Bank *is* a serious suggestion, although
very vague - it was mentioned fairly recently to be part of a DLR
"horizon" study for possible long-term expansion of the network, so
they've been looking into it.

However, as others have said, I think it would be far too expensive to
take such a tunnel up to the surface just so it could use the old
Thameslink alignment.

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wrote:
Bob wrote:
Paul Scott wrote:
Is there a suitable/cost effective way of LUL using the additional spare
platforms at Moorgate station once the Thameslink services no longer use the
branch?

Paul

Extend the DLR from Bank to Moorgate, Barbican and Farringdon.
Terminate at cross platform interchange on existing LUL carriage
sidings at Farringdon. Direct link from City Airport etc.

Isn't the DLR at Bank a) too deep, b) facing the wrong way, and c)
blocked by the bank of England's vaults even if those two problems
could be overcome? I think that one might be a bit of a non-starter I'm
afraid.

Jonn

The DLR at Bank is facing North, isn't it, directly under the Northern
Line (and towards Moorgate at the wrong level)?

Seems to me that that would line up with connecting it to the Northern
City line towards Finsbury Park and all that.

Doesn't really help with the Moorgate Thameslink platforms though. I
think I agree that our never-ending need for coffee is a more obvious
use for the space.

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"John Rowland" wrote:

Put old trains in it and make it part of the Museum Of London at Barbican.

Yes, stuff from say 1960 that has long since been retired from normal
service.

Oh, hang on a mo......

Chris

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I would rebuild Barbican into two island platforms like Edgware Road so
it could regulate the flow of trains and hold them in the platforms
rather than as now, when there's a hold up, in the tunnels.

Oh and er.. better stairs and more shops at Moorgate. (Phew back on
thread!)