"Graham Murray" wrote in message
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"Kev" writes:

Had a run in with a nice employee of Arriva this morning who called me
a ****ing moron because I didn't know that PSV drivers aren't allowed
to reverse. Now I am not an expert on the law regarding PSV drivers so
can somebody confirm that it is a fact that they are not allowed to
reverse. Seems bonkers to me.

That cannot, in general, be true as it is very common for buses and
coaches to reverse out of the stands at bus stations. I have also been
on buses which have reversed on 'normal' roads.

Arent they allowed to as long as there is someone guiding them out of
the stand - when they used to have conducters etc?


Teleman

Not Here wrote:
"Graham Murray" wrote in message
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"Kev" writes:


Had a run in with a nice employee of Arriva this morning who called me
a ****ing moron because I didn't know that PSV drivers aren't allowed
to reverse. Now I am not an expert on the law regarding PSV drivers so
can somebody confirm that it is a fact that they are not allowed to
reverse. Seems bonkers to me.

That cannot, in general, be true as it is very common for buses and
coaches to reverse out of the stands at bus stations. I have also been
on buses which have reversed on 'normal' roads.


Arent they allowed to as long as there is someone guiding them out of
the stand - when they used to have conducters etc?


Bus stations invariably have signs and barriers keeping pedestrians
off the "roadway". So, if you hit a pedestrian - it is their fault, they
shouldn't have been there. I don't know of any bus station, where you
have to reverse off, that provides any assistance to drivers.

Bus depots are a different matter, they have rules about reversing. But
rules are only there to hang you by, if things go wrong. I did ask once
(I was at the Truro depot for the first time and there are BIG notices
about it). I won't repeat what the duty manager said..So I ignored the
signs, the same as everyone else.

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Sue

"Palindr?me" wrote in message
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Not Here wrote:
"Graham Murray" wrote in message
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"Kev" writes:



Bus stations invariably have signs and barriers keeping pedestrians off
the "roadway". So, if you hit a pedestrian - it is their fault, they
shouldn't have been there. I don't know of any bus station, where you have
to reverse off, that provides any assistance to drivers.

Swansea & Glasgow at least do. They may not bother half of the time because
they are talking to other drivers but they are there!

"Graham Murray" wrote in message
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"Kev" writes:

Had a run in with a nice employee of Arriva this morning who called me
a ****ing moron because I didn't know that PSV drivers aren't allowed
to reverse. Now I am not an expert on the law regarding PSV drivers so
can somebody confirm that it is a fact that they are not allowed to
reverse. Seems bonkers to me.

That cannot, in general, be true as it is very common for buses and
coaches to reverse out of the stands at bus stations. I have also been
on buses which have reversed on 'normal' roads.

I also see ppl using mobile phones whilst in control of a vehicle oh and
also seen them going over the speed limit.

Kev wrote:
Had a run in with a nice employee of Arriva this morning who called
me a ****ing moron because I didn't know that PSV drivers aren't
allowed to reverse. Now I am not an expert on the law regarding PSV
drivers so can somebody confirm that it is a fact that they are not
allowed to reverse. Seems bonkers to me.
Whether thay can or can't reverse I take it that they can't call
members of the public ****ing morons or threaten to punch them in
the face.

Please send a complaint about this driver to
giving full details of route, time and
place, and any of the numbers on the bus that you managed to note. I
did so last month following a similar incident with an Arriva driver
(route 337). Within a few days, I had a letter from Arriva: "the driver
has been identified ... appropriate disciplinary action will be taken
...."

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Kev wrote:
Had a run in with a nice employee of Arriva this morning who called me
a ****ing moron because I didn't know that PSV drivers aren't allowed
to reverse. Now I am not an expert on the law regarding PSV drivers so
can somebody confirm that it is a fact that they are not allowed to
reverse. Seems bonkers to me.
Whether thay can or can't reverse I take it that they can't call
members of the public ****ing morons or threaten to punch them in the
face.

"No reversing on the public highway with passengers onboard". Comes in
handy when dealing with other motorists who expect you to reverse back
10 yards instead of their reversing back half a mile. Well, actually
normally reserved for when that situation is, itself, reversed.

Bus station land is not the public highway. Other vehicles without
permits are invariably banned from it.

In practice the "No reversing" rule is widely ignored by drivers when it
suits them. Mostly because of sympathy for the other driver who either
doesn't have the skill, has a trailer, or has a bigger bus.

Sorry if he was rude or threatening. Not a good idea as passengers tend
to report such things. It can, I'm told be quite stressful driving a
bus. I found it the opposite. Getting the bus through Moretonhampstead
on a market day in Summer was like this super game of chess with dozens
of players, plus the joy of solving this 3D dynamic jigsaw puzzle,
whilst allowing for the massive overhang on the back of the bus. I
really felt like turning the bus round and going through again - just
for the fun of it..

--
Sue

Palindr☻me wrote:
Kev wrote:
Had a run in with a nice employee of Arriva this morning who called me
a ****ing moron because I didn't know that PSV drivers aren't allowed
to reverse. Now I am not an expert on the law regarding PSV drivers so
can somebody confirm that it is a fact that they are not allowed to
reverse. Seems bonkers to me.
Whether thay can or can't reverse I take it that they can't call
members of the public ****ing morons or threaten to punch them in the
face.

"No reversing on the public highway with passengers onboard". Comes in
handy when dealing with other motorists who expect you to reverse back
10 yards instead of their reversing back half a mile. Well, actually
normally reserved for when that situation is, itself, reversed.

Bus station land is not the public highway. Other vehicles without
permits are invariably banned from it.

In practice the "No reversing" rule is widely ignored by drivers when it
suits them. Mostly because of sympathy for the other driver who either
doesn't have the skill, has a trailer, or has a bigger bus.

Sorry if he was rude or threatening. Not a good idea as passengers tend
to report such things. It can, I'm told be quite stressful driving a
bus. I found it the opposite. Getting the bus through Moretonhampstead
on a market day in Summer was like this super game of chess with dozens
of players, plus the joy of solving this 3D dynamic jigsaw puzzle,
whilst allowing for the massive overhang on the back of the bus. I
really felt like turning the bus round and going through again - just
for the fun of it..

--
Sue

The guy actually drove past a gap in parked cars that he could have
pulled into to allow me to proceed without the need to reverse myself.
Reversing is clearly hazardous even for a car driver.
I'm not surprised that driving a bus is stressful if you go around
telling other road users that they are ****ing morons. I understand
that they are short of drivers but Arriva really dragging the barrel
getting their current drivers.

Kevin

Kev ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying
:

Reversing is clearly hazardous even for a car driver.

Driving *forwards* is "clearly hazardous even for a car driver".

With proper observation, reversing is no more hazardous than that.

Adrian wrote:
Kev ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying
:

Reversing is clearly hazardous even for a car driver.

Driving *forwards* is "clearly hazardous even for a car driver".

With proper observation, reversing is no more hazardous than that.
Except that the bus driver had already past a space that he could have
pulled into allowing me to move forwards rather than backwards.
If driving backwards was no more hazardous than driving forwards we
would drive backwards everywhere but I maintain that reversing on a
busy road at 6.55 am when it is still dark IS more hazardous than
driving forwards.

Kevin

Kev wrote:
Adrian wrote:

Kev ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying
:


Reversing is clearly hazardous even for a car driver.

Driving *forwards* is "clearly hazardous even for a car driver".

With proper observation, reversing is no more hazardous than that.

Except that the bus driver had already past a space that he could have
pulled into allowing me to move forwards rather than backwards.
If driving backwards was no more hazardous than driving forwards we
would drive backwards everywhere but I maintain that reversing on a
busy road at 6.55 am when it is still dark IS more hazardous than
driving forwards.


I don't, obviously, know the circumstances but suggest that the bus
driver was already committed to going past the space. Bus passengers
seldom use seat belts, can be standing, can have babies held in their
arms, are often children and the aged, etc. It is very, very dangerous
to bring a bus to a halt rapidly or even as gently as a car driver might
think of as a normal stop..

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Sue