mrcheerful . wrote:
"Kev" wrote in message
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Had a run in with a nice employee of Arriva this morning who called me
a ****ing moron because I didn't know that PSV drivers aren't allowed
to reverse. Now I am not an expert on the law regarding PSV drivers so
can somebody confirm that it is a fact that they are not allowed to
reverse. Seems bonkers to me.
Whether thay can or can't reverse I take it that they can't call
members of the public ****ing morons or threaten to punch them in the
face.

Kevin


So, you have tried to get a bus to reverse to let you through? Presumably
you have told him to reverse? I am not surprised he told you your fortune.
The safety of a bus reversing manoeuvre on a crowded street is clearly not
good.

All bus drivers are told not to reverse except in the depot (unless with
helper, policeman or whatever)
I have always been aware of that, I would say it is common knowledge.

No-one should foul mouth anyone, but in a heated situation it is quite a
common occurrence and is better than getting thumped.

Let it go and move on, learning from the experience.


One thing that may cause misunderstanding is that a bus driver has to
make decisions far earlier than a car driver and has to brake earlier
and more gently. Having committed himself to driving past a gap between
cars, on the assumption that a car coming the other way will give way,
he cannot change the plan and pull in and stop as easily as a car - if
the oncoming car does the unexpected and continues on.

I would imagine that this was the situation. The bus driver reckoned
that the OP would give way and committed the bus to going past the gap.
When he realised that the OP was continuing on - it was already too late
for him to use the gap, even if he hadn't reached it yet.

That could have looked to the OP like the bus driver deliberately went
on past a gap - knowing that would cause a problem.

That could explain how the two vehicles ended up with both drivers
feeling agrieved at the other. And with the OP thinking that the bus
driver was "in the wrong" and should back up. And the driver being
annoyed at himself for reading the situation wrong and annoyed at the
driver for "being a pratt"...

It doesn't excuse the bus driver's reaction. But demanding that a bus
reverses isn't reasonable - however the bus arrived at that situation.

--
Sue

Palindr☻me wrote:
mrcheerful . wrote:
"Kev" wrote in message
oups.com...

Had a run in with a nice employee of Arriva this morning who called me
a ****ing moron because I didn't know that PSV drivers aren't allowed
to reverse. Now I am not an expert on the law regarding PSV drivers so
can somebody confirm that it is a fact that they are not allowed to
reverse. Seems bonkers to me.
Whether thay can or can't reverse I take it that they can't call
members of the public ****ing morons or threaten to punch them in the
face.

Kevin


So, you have tried to get a bus to reverse to let you through? Presumably
you have told him to reverse? I am not surprised he told you your fortune.
The safety of a bus reversing manoeuvre on a crowded street is clearly not
good.

All bus drivers are told not to reverse except in the depot (unless with
helper, policeman or whatever)
I have always been aware of that, I would say it is common knowledge.

No-one should foul mouth anyone, but in a heated situation it is quite a
common occurrence and is better than getting thumped.

Let it go and move on, learning from the experience.


One thing that may cause misunderstanding is that a bus driver has to
make decisions far earlier than a car driver and has to brake earlier
and more gently. Having committed himself to driving past a gap between
cars, on the assumption that a car coming the other way will give way,
he cannot change the plan and pull in and stop as easily as a car - if
the oncoming car does the unexpected and continues on.

I would imagine that this was the situation. The bus driver reckoned
that the OP would give way and committed the bus to going past the gap.
When he realised that the OP was continuing on - it was already too late
for him to use the gap, even if he hadn't reached it yet.

That could have looked to the OP like the bus driver deliberately went
on past a gap - knowing that would cause a problem.

That could explain how the two vehicles ended up with both drivers
feeling agrieved at the other. And with the OP thinking that the bus
driver was "in the wrong" and should back up. And the driver being
annoyed at himself for reading the situation wrong and annoyed at the
driver for "being a pratt"...

It doesn't excuse the bus driver's reaction. But demanding that a bus
reverses isn't reasonable - however the bus arrived at that situation.

--
Sue

Can I just clarify that at no time was the bus driver expected to
reverse. It is interesting though, had I told the bus driver he was
****ing moron and threatened violence our friendly police would have
arrested and charged me.

Kevin

"Kev" wrote in message
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Palindr?me wrote:
mrcheerful . wrote:
"Kev" wrote in message
oups.com...

Had a run in with a nice employee of Arriva this morning who called me
a ****ing moron because I didn't know that PSV drivers aren't allowed
to reverse. Now I am not an expert on the law regarding PSV drivers so
can somebody confirm that it is a fact that they are not allowed to
reverse. Seems bonkers to me.
Whether thay can or can't reverse I take it that they can't call
members of the public ****ing morons or threaten to punch them in the
face.

Kevin


So, you have tried to get a bus to reverse to let you through?
Presumably
you have told him to reverse? I am not surprised he told you your
fortune.
The safety of a bus reversing manoeuvre on a crowded street is clearly
not
good.

All bus drivers are told not to reverse except in the depot (unless with
helper, policeman or whatever)
I have always been aware of that, I would say it is common knowledge.

No-one should foul mouth anyone, but in a heated situation it is quite a
common occurrence and is better than getting thumped.

Let it go and move on, learning from the experience.


One thing that may cause misunderstanding is that a bus driver has to
make decisions far earlier than a car driver and has to brake earlier
and more gently. Having committed himself to driving past a gap between
cars, on the assumption that a car coming the other way will give way,
he cannot change the plan and pull in and stop as easily as a car - if
the oncoming car does the unexpected and continues on.

I would imagine that this was the situation. The bus driver reckoned
that the OP would give way and committed the bus to going past the gap.
When he realised that the OP was continuing on - it was already too late
for him to use the gap, even if he hadn't reached it yet.

That could have looked to the OP like the bus driver deliberately went
on past a gap - knowing that would cause a problem.

That could explain how the two vehicles ended up with both drivers
feeling agrieved at the other. And with the OP thinking that the bus
driver was "in the wrong" and should back up. And the driver being
annoyed at himself for reading the situation wrong and annoyed at the
driver for "being a pratt"...

It doesn't excuse the bus driver's reaction. But demanding that a bus
reverses isn't reasonable - however the bus arrived at that situation.

--
Sue

Can I just clarify that at no time was the bus driver expected to
reverse. It is interesting though, had I told the bus driver he was
****ing moron and threatened violence our friendly police would have
arrested and charged me.

Kevin

This gap the driver went past. Do you realise how much room a bus needs to
get into a gap ? Maybe the driver judged that the gap was too small

Fray Bentos wrote:
snip
This gap the driver went past. Do you realise how much room a bus needs to
get into a gap ? Maybe the driver judged that the gap was too small

Often the problem isn't getting in - it is getting back out. A typical
bus has excellent lock but heck of a lot of bus after the back wheels.

If you have to put a lot of lock on to get out, the back sweeps quite a
nice path across the pavement.

--
Sue

On 7 Feb 2006 04:51:56 -0800, "Kev" wrote:

snip


Can I just clarify that at no time was the bus driver expected to
reverse.

So how was he in a situation to be complaining at you for expecting
him to?

Are you saying that after you reversed without any prompting, he
pulled up alongside you and stopped to abuse and threaten you?

If that is what you are saying, then his conduct is inexcusable.

But frankly, I don't believe you. You must have done or said something
that indicated to him that you expected him to reverse, even if it was
just waiting until he complained


It is interesting though, had I told the bus driver he was
****ing moron and threatened violence our friendly police would have
arrested and charged me.


So why didn't the policeman present do that to the bus driver? Unless,
of course, he thought you deserved it (in which case things cannot be
as simple as you suggest).

Or are you suggesting that one would miraculously have appeared if you
had been the one complaining and threatening?
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
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To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

All it takes is a little courtesy, whoever may or may not be in the
right or wrong. There may have been an error of judgement on the part
of either driver. Common sense and courtesy says that the smaller,
more manoeuvrable vehicle should reverse/give way (subject to other
traffic behind). After that, a simple smile and "sorry" can work
wonders.

PhilD

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On 7 Feb 2006 07:48:35 -0800, "PhilD" wrote:

All it takes is a little courtesy, whoever may or may not be in the
right or wrong. There may have been an error of judgement on the part
of either driver. Common sense and courtesy says that the smaller,
more manoeuvrable vehicle should reverse/give way (subject to other
traffic behind). After that, a simple smile and "sorry" can work
wonders.


As he gives more details, it appears that both drivers made mistakes.

It also appears likely that the bus driver *thought* that the OP was
expecting him to reverse, because the OP waited before doing so (the
fact that it was because he stalled would probably not have been
evident to the bus driver).

That still does not excuse threats by the bus driver, or even swearing
(particularly if he had passengers on board). But it does make it
understandable he would be annoyed.
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Alex Heney, Global Villager
You will never be younger than you are today..
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom