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Ticketless Buses Zone 1?
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:48:15 +0100, chris wrote:
Noticed today a flyer saying that you will have to have a valid ticket for travel on buses in the central zone before getting on the bus Is this zone 1 only? Could be being cynical, but could this be connected with the apparently conductor-less[1] Routemaster (Arriva service to Oxford Circus, the number escapes me) I experienced yesterday? :) More seriously, I've noticed ticket machines cropping up all over the place and was wondering if something like that was coming... good news, IMO, perhaps the buses on Oxford Street will be able to move a bit quicker... [1] The bell seemed not to be working, so it's a possibility that he was sat directly behind the driver giving two knocks to go instead - but I had a look and didn't see anyone who looked like a suitable suspect. No fares were being taken. Neil |
Ticketless Buses Zone 1?
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Ticketless Buses Zone 1?
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:21:56 +0100, Dave
wrote: The changes were announced back in March. "To slash the time buses spend at stops, from this summer the few remaining cash passengers will need to buy tickets before boarding in London's West End. Starting in August more than 300 ticket machines will serve all the stops in the West End used by 60 routes to enable passengers to buy single journey or day pass tickets before getting on the bus. This is expected to cut boarding times by more than 10 per cent." TfL conveniently seem to have forgotten about all the Routemasters running in the West End, which don't suffer from the increased boarding times of most OPO buses as they have a separate conductor performing revenue duties...Ho hum... Cya, Barry |
Ticketless Buses Zone 1?
Barry Salter writes
The changes were announced back in March. "To slash the time buses spend at stops, from this summer the few remaining cash passengers will need to buy tickets before boarding in London's West End. Starting in August more than 300 ticket machines will serve all the stops in the West End used by 60 routes to enable passengers to buy single journey or day pass tickets before getting on the bus. This is expected to cut boarding times by more than 10 per cent." TfL conveniently seem to have forgotten about all the Routemasters running in the West End, which don't suffer from the increased boarding times of most OPO buses as they have a separate conductor performing revenue duties...Ho hum... They most certainly haven't forgotten them. They have, though, realised that they can't continue forever. DDA rules [1] would mean (unless some specific exemption was granted) that the remaining Routemasters would have to be retired by 2017 at the very latest. So whilst the existing fleet may be able to soldier on for a few more years, TfL want to do something to decrease boarding times on non-Routemaster routes. They tried crew-operation with modern buses on the 55 - that didn't work as people still tried to pay the driver on boarding. So we now have the bendy-bus (which looks to be the favourite for future conversions of Routemaster-operated services) and cashless boarding (as trialled on the W7). [1] The Public Service Vehicles Accessibility Regulations 2000 http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/s...0/20003318.htm -- Dave |
Ticketless Buses Zone 1?
Dave wrote in message ...
Barry Salter writes The changes were announced back in March. "To slash the time buses spend at stops, from this summer the few remaining cash passengers will need to buy tickets before boarding in London's West End. Starting in August more than 300 ticket machines will serve all the stops in the West End used by 60 routes to enable passengers to buy single journey or day pass tickets before getting on the bus. This is expected to cut boarding times by more than 10 per cent." TfL conveniently seem to have forgotten about all the Routemasters running in the West End, which don't suffer from the increased boarding times of most OPO buses as they have a separate conductor performing revenue duties...Ho hum... They most certainly haven't forgotten them. They have, though, realised that they can't continue forever. DDA rules [1] would mean (unless some specific exemption was granted) that the remaining Routemasters would have to be retired by 2017 at the very latest. So whilst the existing fleet may be able to soldier on for a few more years, TfL want to do something to decrease boarding times on non-Routemaster routes. They tried crew-operation with modern buses on the 55 - that didn't work as people still tried to pay the driver on boarding. So we now have the bendy-bus (which looks to be the favourite for future conversions of Routemaster-operated services) and cashless boarding (as trialled on the W7). [1] The Public Service Vehicles Accessibility Regulations 2000 http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/s...0/20003318.htm Will the driver still offer tickets that Cannot be Purchaced by the Machines (eg: Priv. Tickets) or will I have to buy a ticket from a Tube Station or something? |
Ticketless Buses Zone 1?
On 28 Jul 2003 12:20:33 -0700 Joe Patrick said...
Will the driver still offer tickets that Cannot be Purchaced by the Machines (eg: Priv. Tickets) or will I have to buy a ticket from a Tube Station or something? I was never aware there were "Priv" tickets for London buses, Underground yes and presumably staff who get travel facilities on London buses travel free of charge. Bus ticket machines issue single tickets & one day bus passes only. You will still have to go to a Tube station or pass agent to buy bus passes valid 7 days & more plus any Travelcard. -- Phil Richards London, N4 |
Ticketless Buses Zone 1?
San Francisco still runs cable cars. They have tiny capacity, are
hugely inflexible, require crew operation and are wholly inaccessible to wheelchair users. And they only have one speed, which is 9.5 mph. not only are they are still operated, in fact, they are building 'new' ones, because they are a tourist draw and a part of the city's heritage. Actually, the city doesn't have a choice. They're Listed, so to speak: the cable car system was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1964. Of course the part about "tourist draw and city's heritage" is perfectly true as well. incidentally, a cash fare on a SF cable car is about double that of a normal bus tram or troley bus. no-one complains. Yes, well, I remember when it wasn't. :-( But the last time I was there, they were overcrowded even with the extra fare, so it seems fair enough. -- Mark Brader, Toronto "Unjutsly malinged? I think not." -- Ross Howard My text in this article is in the public domain. |
Ticketless Buses Zone 1?
Mark Brader wrote:
San Francisco still runs cable cars. They have tiny capacity, are hugely inflexible, require crew operation and are wholly inaccessible to wheelchair users. And they only have one speed, which is 9.5 mph. Two speeds, otherwise people might have trouble getting on and off :) |
Ticketless Buses Zone 1?
James Farrar wrote:
Mark Brader wrote: San Francisco still runs cable cars. They have tiny capacity, are hugely inflexible, require crew operation and are wholly inaccessible to wheelchair users. And they only have one speed, which is 9.5 mph. Two speeds, otherwise people might have trouble getting on and off :) Being pedantic, they have a TOP speed of 9.5mph, but can do any speed below that depending on how hard the Gripper pulls his lever back. Actually they can do more than 9.5mph on a downhill if the Gripper lets go altogether, but then he'd get sacked! |
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