Neil Williams wrote:

Merseyrail is always pleasantly cool in summer, and I believe this is
in part down to groundwater - so the story on the BBC website about
cooling that may be helpful.


Perhaps they shoudHighbury an Islington are very cool, especially
compared with the neighbouring Victoria Line ones that are very hot

Greetings.

In article .com,
Neillw001 wrote:

I've been on underground lines in other countries that get as hot or
hotter than London does in the summer and have never noticed any undue
heat. I think a lot of it has to do with the original constuctions
methods. Some places such as Budapest and Paris are cut and cover, with
the stations not far below the surface. But both these were constructed
not long after London and I've never found them to be as hot as parts
of the District/Circle in high summer.

Only one of the Budapest lines (the oldest) is cut-and-cover. The other
two are (very) deep tunnels. However, you're correct that none of the
three lines get particularly hot in the summer.

Regards,
Tristan

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Riding on the Berlin u-bahn and s-bahn last month in temperatures
comparable to today revealed little passenger discomfort since the cars
all have proper opening hinged side windows. So far wide do they open
that pictorgrams forbid the throwing out of bottles and cans, which is
probably why nanny state Britain would forbid us from having them here.
The D Stock were saunas when first introduced in comparison with the R
and CO/CP stock they replaced and until opening windows were
retro-fitted. Doubtless the awful S-stock planned to replace them will
be likewise until air-con is fitted.

wrote:
Riding on the Berlin u-bahn and s-bahn last month in temperatures
comparable to today revealed little passenger discomfort since the cars
all have proper opening hinged side windows. So far wide do they open
that pictorgrams forbid the throwing out of bottles and cans, which is
probably why nanny state Britain would forbid us from having them here.
The D Stock were saunas when first introduced in comparison with the R
and CO/CP stock they replaced and until opening windows were
retro-fitted. Doubtless the awful S-stock planned to replace them will
be likewise until air-con is fitted.

Aircon will be factory-fitted in S-stock. Not quite sure why it's
otherwise 'dreadful' - the stock it's replacing isn't steam-powered or
loco-hauled[*] and doesn't have slam doors, so the usual objections
don't apply. Articulated doorways add significantly to the ambience of
metro stock, and they seem to be planning a sensible door
configuration.
[*] hmm, tautologous? Anyone know of an SMU?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

John B wrote:
wrote:
Riding on the Berlin u-bahn and s-bahn last month in temperatures
comparable to today revealed little passenger discomfort since the cars
all have proper opening hinged side windows. So far wide do they open
that pictorgrams forbid the throwing out of bottles and cans, which is
probably why nanny state Britain would forbid us from having them here.
The D Stock were saunas when first introduced in comparison with the R
and CO/CP stock they replaced and until opening windows were
retro-fitted. Doubtless the awful S-stock planned to replace them will
be likewise until air-con is fitted.

Aircon will be factory-fitted in S-stock. Not quite sure why it's
otherwise 'dreadful' - the stock it's replacing isn't steam-powered or
loco-hauled[*] and doesn't have slam doors, so the usual objections
don't apply. Articulated doorways add significantly to the ambience of
metro stock, and they seem to be planning a sensible door
configuration.

[*] hmm, tautologous? Anyone know of an SMU?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Does "articulated doorways" mean that each carriage will be directly
connected to its neighbours, thus removing the ONLY source of decent
ventilation, i.e. the end-doors' opening windows?! So, the ONLY place
on the train where one can actually stand and feel reasonably
comfortable in hot weather is going to be removed. What's that
"ambience" to which you are referring: tropics under London? Now,
that's REAL progress!

Marc.

On 8 Jun 2006 14:38:45 -0700, "John B" wrote:


[*] hmm, tautologous? Anyone know of an SMU?

http://www.brc-stockbook.co.uk/smu.htm ?

There have been railcars and multiple-vehicle units powered by steam,
but I don't know about ones which could work in multiple (rather than
just be coupled together or to a trailer)
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

"awful S-stock" ?

Say 32% less seating for those unfortunates on the Met Line.

On 8 Jun 2006 03:58:42 -0700, "Kev" wrote:

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...on/5058362.stm

LU's managing director Tim O'Toole said: "There is no one overall
solution to heat on the Tube but significant progress is now being
made.

I thought that Tim O'Toole's solution was for everybody to take a
shower in the morning.

I think that was a quote taken somewhat out of context.

Interestingly (!) I got caught in a 15 delay between St James Park and
Victoria this evening. This was due a passenger ill on a train at Sloane
Square. The driver gave us what advice / information he could and we
knew that a doctor was on the scene at Sloane Square.

In the carriage I was in a young chap said he was hot, then that he
couldn't breath and then was starting to panic somewhat. This then made
his breathing problem (appear) even worse. The passengers nearest him
did what they could to cool him down with water and by fanning him. A
qualified first aider then came along and sat him down and got him to
breath in a controlled manner. He got off at Victoria with the first
aider and some assistance was sought from the platform staff.

I haven't witnessed that sort of situation before (with heat) and I was
a little surprised to see how the panic built up in just one person so
quickly. It also led me to consider what would have happened if the
train had been very full (it wasn't thankfully) and been stuck for much
longer.

I will be giving some feedback on my experience to the Line Manager as I
think some more frequent announcements from the driver and a better view
of timescales (hard I know in such cases) might have calmed matters
down.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:
On 8 Jun 2006 03:58:42 -0700, "Kev" wrote:

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...on/5058362.stm

LU's managing director Tim O'Toole said: "There is no one overall
solution to heat on the Tube but significant progress is now being
made.

I thought that Tim O'Toole's solution was for everybody to take a
shower in the morning.

I think that was a quote taken somewhat out of context.

Interestingly (!) I got caught in a 15 delay between St James Park and
Victoria this evening. This was due a passenger ill on a train at Sloane
Square. The driver gave us what advice / information he could and we
knew that a doctor was on the scene at Sloane Square.

In the carriage I was in a young chap said he was hot, then that he
couldn't breath and then was starting to panic somewhat. This then made
his breathing problem (appear) even worse. The passengers nearest him
did what they could to cool him down with water and by fanning him. A
qualified first aider then came along and sat him down and got him to
breath in a controlled manner. He got off at Victoria with the first
aider and some assistance was sought from the platform staff.

I haven't witnessed that sort of situation before (with heat) and I was
a little surprised to see how the panic built up in just one person so
quickly. It also led me to consider what would have happened if the
train had been very full (it wasn't thankfully) and been stuck for much
longer.

I will be giving some feedback on my experience to the Line Manager as I
think some more frequent announcements from the driver and a better view
of timescales (hard I know in such cases) might have calmed matters
down.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Panic attacks are the thing that make me wary of travelling on the
Underground. The problem with them is that they can strike anyone at
any time and can set off an attack in other people. If you don't know
how to deal with them they can be very distressing. If you do know how
to deal with them, sometimes your mind takes over and you can't apply
comntrol methods. Having a guard with medical traiing on trains might
alleviate the problem and provide communication with the driver, but
obviously that's not going to happen. Some sort of control over the
number of people allowed to cram into a carriage in hot weather might
be a better solution, perhaps even going as far a banning standing at
those times.

Neill

Neillw001 wrote:
Some sort of control over the
number of people allowed to cram into a carriage in hot weather might
be a better solution, perhaps even going as far a banning standing at
those times.

....which would instead cause similar crowds in stations or just
outside.

It wouldn't work, which is probably why it hasn't been done.

Neil