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On Tuesday and Friday I had to withstand volcanic temperatures on the 280
bus between Mitcham & Sutton.
Upstairs there was no possibility of opening a window; I wonder why not? Was
air-con meant to be installed?

I think I might get one of those thermometers from Maplins.

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Colossal temperatures on bus
 

Alan OBrien wrote:
On Tuesday and Friday I had to withstand volcanic temperatures on the 280
bus between Mitcham & Sutton.
Upstairs there was no possibility of opening a window; I wonder why not? Was
air-con meant to be installed?

I think I might get one of those thermometers from Maplins.

--
Work like the ponies in coalmines.
Dance like the teardrop explodes.
Love like you're Frank in Blue Velvet.
Sing as though your little throat would burst.

For some reason, the upper decks of the 211 (even in Winter) are
grossly hot. Why should we put up with conditions which, frankly,
cattle would not be expected to endure?

Why do front windows not open?
Why do side windows open so slightly as to make little difference
(those dreadful hopper windows on refurbished Routemasters are even
worse)?
Why does heat seem to emanate from within the bus itself (not just the
engine compartment on the lower deck)?


Marc.

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Probably,Stuart,because to do so would be a tacit admittance that
traditional engineering and basic commonsense dictate that if U have some
quarter drop opening front windows and a slight breeze OR some modicum of
forward movement you have cooling airflow through the vehicle.

Modern Bus Engineering designers in their rush to prove Mr C Curtis and the
Old Fogeys of the RT and Routemaster design teams wrong have decided to
rewrite the laws of physics.

The next meeting and public exhibition of the New World Order in Bus design
teams will take place on Brighton Beach at Noontime on the 21st June when
their chairman Mr C.Anute will prove conclusively that the natural world can
be bent to suit the human desire.

Please book a deck chair early as there is limited space available.

Event management is being handled by TfL and entertainment will be provided
by Hizzonour the Mayuh and a supporting caste.....

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"Stuart" wrote in message
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wrote:

Why do front windows not open?

I've never understood why none of the buses that have been introduced in
the last 10 years have opening front windows. It seems to me to be a
very easy wasy to get the air moving through the top deck

It's to stop people throwing things/people out of them.

Richard [in SG19]



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Richard, is that a serious answer?!
You are obviously new here.

If so, I'd like to see what sized person can be thrown through a 6-inch
quarter drop window!

I'm afraid I don't know what an "inch" is !

As for things being thrown, the schoolkids of Hurlingham & Chelsea
"Hurlingham" ? Is that a serious name ?

Richard [in SG19]



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Richard M Willis wrote:
wrote in message
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Richard, is that a serious answer?!
You are obviously new here.

If so, I'd like to see what sized person can be thrown through a 6-inch
quarter drop window!

I'm afraid I don't know what an "inch" is !

As for things being thrown, the schoolkids of Hurlingham & Chelsea
"Hurlingham" ? Is that a serious name ?

Yup, the area between Wandsworth & Putney Bridges, and south of the New
King's Road...

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap...175720&A=Y&Z=1

It has a Road, a Wharf, a House, a Park and even a Club Gardens!

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Greetings.

In article , Richard M Willis
wrote:

"Stuart" wrote in message
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wrote:

Why do front windows not open?

I've never understood why none of the buses that have been introduced in
the last 10 years have opening front windows. It seems to me to be a
very easy wasy to get the air moving through the top deck

It's to stop people throwing things/people out of them.

Why not make it a grille rather than a window, then?

Regards,
Tristan

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On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:35:13 GMT, "Alan OBrien"
wrote:

On Tuesday and Friday I had to withstand volcanic temperatures on the 280
bus between Mitcham & Sutton.
Upstairs there was no possibility of opening a window; I wonder why not? Was
air-con meant to be installed?

I think I might get one of those thermometers from Maplins.

Does painting the roof white help with inside temperatures? I've noticed many
new buses have this feature.

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Marc Brett wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:35:13 GMT, "Alan OBrien"
wrote:

On Tuesday and Friday I had to withstand volcanic temperatures on the 280
bus between Mitcham & Sutton.
Upstairs there was no possibility of opening a window; I wonder why not? Was
air-con meant to be installed?

I think I might get one of those thermometers from Maplins.

Does painting the roof white help with inside temperatures? I've noticed many
new buses have this feature.

There was an article in last night's Standard that said TfL have
concluded it doesn't make a difference.

Roy

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A news reports earlier in the week reminded me of the competition a yer or
so back for ideas on cooling the tube. If they cant keep a bus above ground
cool then they will have no chacne to getting the tube to remain cool.
The Routemasters didn't have this overheating problem, simply because they
had windows that opened properly.
The new style busses seem to have windows that do absolutely nothing apart
from direct a breeze over the ceiling and out the opposite side. I know that
TFL have added extra windows upstaris on some busses, but once again they
are on the side of the bus. It's plain sense to install them on the front so
that a breeze flows through the lenght of the bus. And proper windows that
dropped down and out of the way like the old routemaster wind up ones would
solve many problems.
My route to work in the morning, has everyone sitting onthe left hand side,
to avoid the heat of the sun on the right, however we then have to sit with
a bloody great heating vent blowing up our legs, even in the middle of
summer!!!!
Please, someone, can we design a bus that at least allows the passengers to
breathe.






"Roy Stilling" wrote in message
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Marc Brett wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:35:13 GMT, "Alan OBrien"
wrote:

On Tuesday and Friday I had to withstand volcanic temperatures on the 280
bus between Mitcham & Sutton.
Upstairs there was no possibility of opening a window; I wonder why not?
Was
air-con meant to be installed?

I think I might get one of those thermometers from Maplins.

Does painting the roof white help with inside temperatures? I've noticed
many
new buses have this feature.

There was an article in last night's Standard that said TfL have
concluded it doesn't make a difference.

Roy

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For some reason, the upper decks of the 211 (even in Winter) are
grossly hot.

I think i identified a contributory cause this afternoon on a no 30 - on
the upper deck the heating was on. I asked the driver - he seemed
clueless.

E.

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"Roy Stilling" wrote in message
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Marc Brett wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:35:13 GMT, "Alan OBrien"
wrote:

On Tuesday and Friday I had to withstand volcanic temperatures on the 280
bus between Mitcham & Sutton.
Upstairs there was no possibility of opening a window; I wonder why not?
Was
air-con meant to be installed?

I think I might get one of those thermometers from Maplins.

Does painting the roof white help with inside temperatures? I've noticed
many
new buses have this feature.

There was an article in last night's Standard that said TfL have
concluded it doesn't make a difference.

Roy

PMFJI ~ I ran a large fleet of public school (yellow) buses in the States
for 30 years. When it became OK to paint the rooftops white, many studies
were conducted to see if it helped the temps. There were as many
conclusions as there were studies. The largest benefactor appeared to be
the white paint manufacturer. However, a semi-common thread amongst all the
studies I was aware of said that if three things were used in tandem, then
there may be up to a three degree drop in perceived temperature.

1. Roof painted white
2. Windows tinted to at least 28% reduction in light transmission
3. Air circulation via front and rear roof vents (air in front - exhaust
out rear)

So there you have it, the ubiquitous wind chill factor. Hope this helps.

Rich

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JRS: In article ,
dated Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:30:11 remote, seen in
news:uk.transport.london, mookie89 posted :

Marc Brett wrote:

Does painting the roof white help with inside temperatures? I've noticed
many
new buses have this feature.

PMFJI ~ I ran a large fleet of public school (yellow) buses in the States
for 30 years. When it became OK to paint the rooftops white, many studies
were conducted to see if it helped the temps. There were as many
conclusions as there were studies. The largest benefactor appeared to be
the white paint manufacturer. However, a semi-common thread amongst all the
studies I was aware of said that if three things were used in tandem, then
there may be up to a three degree drop in perceived temperature.

1. Roof painted white
2. Windows tinted to at least 28% reduction in light transmission
3. Air circulation via front and rear roof vents (air in front - exhaust
out rear)

UK buses are frequently double-deckers, and operate north of 50 deg N.

US school buses are AIUI single-deckers, and operate south of 50 deg N.

In our joint Summer, the Sun is at about 20 deg N.

Therefore, the effect of roof-colour should be substantially greater in
the US in comparison with here, both for roof/side area and roof/side
angle; though the difference will be diminished if school buses avoid
mid-day operation.

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Yes Dr John,But it does`nt take away from the essential simplicity of
Mookies Three Point Plan.

Quarter Drop windows as standard Side and Front with appropriately placed
Throughflow Vents should do the trick......Unless of course somebody has
friends in the Air Con industry....???

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eastender wrote:
For some reason, the upper decks of the 211 (even in Winter) are
grossly hot.

I think i identified a contributory cause this afternoon on a no 30 - on
the upper deck the heating was on. I asked the driver - he seemed
clueless.

This seems common on a number of routes I use, including the 49, 94 and 148.

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Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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eastender wrote:
For some reason, the upper decks of the 211 (even in Winter) are
grossly hot.

I think i identified a contributory cause this afternoon on a no 30 - on
the upper deck the heating was on. I asked the driver - he seemed
clueless.

Loads of buses have the heating on all year round, regardless of how hot
it is. I really don't know why, unless it's just driver
forgetfulness/stupidity/error/malice.

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Dave Newt wrote:
eastender wrote:
For some reason, the upper decks of the 211 (even in Winter) are
grossly hot.

I think i identified a contributory cause this afternoon on a no
30 - on the upper deck the heating was on. I asked the driver - he
seemed clueless.

Loads of buses have the heating on all year round, regardless of
how hot it is. I really don't know why, unless it's just driver
forgetfulness/stupidity/error/malice.

So have you complained about this to the driver, or the bus operator, or
to TfL? And what response have you had?
--
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(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:29:30 +0100, Dave Newt
wrote:

Loads of buses have the heating on all year round, regardless of how hot
it is. I really don't know why, unless it's just driver
forgetfulness/stupidity/error/malice.

The driver I spoke to said he had no control over the heating -- it was set at
the garage.

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Richard J. wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:
eastender wrote:
For some reason, the upper decks of the 211 (even in Winter) are
grossly hot.

I think i identified a contributory cause this afternoon on a no
30 - on the upper deck the heating was on. I asked the driver - he
seemed clueless.

Loads of buses have the heating on all year round, regardless of
how hot it is. I really don't know why, unless it's just driver
forgetfulness/stupidity/error/malice.

So have you complained about this to the driver, or the bus operator, or
to TfL?

No.

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"Alek" wrote in message
...
Yes Dr John,But it does`nt take away from the essential simplicity of
Mookies Three Point Plan.

Quarter Drop windows as standard Side and Front with appropriately placed
Throughflow Vents should do the trick......Unless of course somebody has
friends in the Air Con industry....???

Air movement was indeed the key. I ride the London buses and Tube whenever
I am there. All four seasons. So I understand what you all are talking
about. I am from the Chicago area, so we get our fair share of both
extremes in weather.

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Dave Newt wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:
eastender wrote:
For some reason, the upper decks of the 211 (even in Winter) are
grossly hot.

I think i identified a contributory cause this afternoon on a no
30 - on the upper deck the heating was on. I asked the driver -
he seemed clueless.

Loads of buses have the heating on all year round, regardless of
how hot it is. I really don't know why, unless it's just driver
forgetfulness/stupidity/error/malice.

So have you complained about this to the driver, or the bus
operator, or to TfL?

No.

Ah, so perhaps the reason is your forgetfulness/stupidity or whatever in
not doing anything about it.
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(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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Richard J. wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:
eastender wrote:
For some reason, the upper decks of the 211 (even in Winter) are
grossly hot.

I think i identified a contributory cause this afternoon on a no
30 - on the upper deck the heating was on. I asked the driver -
he seemed clueless.

Loads of buses have the heating on all year round, regardless of
how hot it is. I really don't know why, unless it's just driver
forgetfulness/stupidity/error/malice.

So have you complained about this to the driver, or the bus
operator, or to TfL?

No.

Ah, so perhaps the reason is your forgetfulness/stupidity or whatever in
not doing anything about it.

Umm, I wasn't the one who posted on here complaining about it. I merely
posted my experience of what the complainant mentioned. Is that allowed?

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Dave Newt wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:
eastender wrote:
For some reason, the upper decks of the 211 (even in Winter)
are grossly hot.

I think i identified a contributory cause this afternoon on a
no 30 - on the upper deck the heating was on. I asked the
driver -
he seemed clueless.

Loads of buses have the heating on all year round, regardless of
how hot it is. I really don't know why, unless it's just driver
forgetfulness/stupidity/error/malice.

So have you complained about this to the driver, or the bus
operator, or to TfL?

No.

Ah, so perhaps the reason is your forgetfulness/stupidity or
whatever in not doing anything about it.

Umm, I wasn't the one who posted on here complaining about it. I
merely posted my experience of what the complainant mentioned. Is
that allowed?

Sorry, didn't realise that you enjoyed the experience.
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I'm not really sure why there needs to be heating on buses at all; it
makes it way too hot in summer, and in winter everyone has their coats
and scarves on, and the number of people on the bus contributes to
warmth as well.

I've been told (probably wrongly) that buses/trains have heaters simply
because that's a convenient way of venting waste engine heat, and no-one
thought to make it "optional"

For "local" transport (i.e those where people don't have time to
take coats etc on/off), the environment in the bus should reflect
that outside.

So, open roo(ve|f)s, puddles of **** on the floor, some tw*t with a
ghetto blaster, sm*kers.

Richard [in SG19]



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