Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

In October I will need to go to Heathrow (zone 6) from Stratford (zone
3). I have Oyster with:
1. monthly travel card for zones 1-3
2. 10£ for pay-as-you-go needs

How will I be charged? For zones 4-6, or 3-6, or 1-6? (I will also
cross zones 1 and 2).
And on return journey, when I will enter in zone 6, and exit in zone 3
(Heathrow - Stratford) - will it be the same?

Help me please! :-)

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

alex_t wrote:
In October I will need to go to Heathrow (zone 6) from Stratford (zone
3). I have Oyster with:
1. monthly travel card for zones 1-3
2. 10£ for pay-as-you-go needs

How will I be charged? For zones 4-6, or 3-6, or 1-6? (I will also
cross zones 1 and 2).
And on return journey, when I will enter in zone 6, and exit in zone 3
(Heathrow - Stratford) - will it be the same?

Assuming those are the only "out of zone" journeys you make on those
days, you should just be charged £1.00 (before 0700 and after 1900
Monday to Friday, all day at weekends) or £1.80 (between 0700 and 1900
Monday to Friday) for a Single for Zones 4-6.

HTH,

Barry

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

Assuming those are the only "out of zone" journeys you make on those
days, you should just be charged £1.00 (before 0700 and after 1900
Monday to Friday, all day at weekends) or £1.80 (between 0700 and 1900
Monday to Friday) for a Single for Zones 4-6.

Great!
Thank you :-)

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

Barry Salter wrote:
alex_t wrote:
In October I will need to go to Heathrow (zone 6) from Stratford
(zone 3). I have Oyster with:
1. monthly travel card for zones 1-3
2. 10£ for pay-as-you-go needs

How will I be charged? For zones 4-6, or 3-6, or 1-6? (I will also
cross zones 1 and 2).
And on return journey, when I will enter in zone 6, and exit in
zone 3 (Heathrow - Stratford) - will it be the same?

Assuming those are the only "out of zone" journeys you make on those
days, you should just be charged £1.00 (before 0700 and after 1900
Monday to Friday, all day at weekends) or £1.80 (between 0700 and
1900 Monday to Friday) for a Single for Zones 4-6.

Actually the PAYG fare would be for Zones 3-6, otherwise he would not
have a valid ticket between Northfields and Boston Manor (across the
zone 3/4 boundary). The costs are the same, though.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

Actually the PAYG fare would be for Zones 3-6, otherwise he would not
have a valid ticket between Northfields and Boston Manor (across the
zone 3/4 boundary). The costs are the same, though.

As long as the price is the same - I don't really care ;-)
But thank you for information - good to know anyway.

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

Actually the PAYG fare would be for Zones 3-6, otherwise he would not
have a valid ticket between Northfields and Boston Manor (across the
zone 3/4 boundary). The costs are the same, though.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Actually it would be for 4-6, because his travelcard covers zones 1-3,
and so the extension would be for the additional zones he is travelling
through - zones 4-6. Otherwise he'd be paying twice for zone 3.

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

Barry Salter wrote:
alex_t wrote:
In October I will need to go to Heathrow (zone 6) from Stratford (zone
3). I have Oyster with:
1. monthly travel card for zones 1-3
2. 10£ for pay-as-you-go needs

How will I be charged? For zones 4-6, or 3-6, or 1-6? (I will also
cross zones 1 and 2).
And on return journey, when I will enter in zone 6, and exit in zone 3
(Heathrow - Stratford) - will it be the same?

Assuming those are the only "out of zone" journeys you make on those
days, you should just be charged £1.00 (before 0700 and after 1900
Monday to Friday, all day at weekends) or £1.80 (between 0700 and 1900
Monday to Friday) for a Single for Zones 4-6.


This is a bit of a tangent, but if he had a zone 1 and 2 travelcard and
went from Heathrow to Stratford, touching in at Heathrow and out at
Stratford, would that count as one or two PAYG journeys, given that it
was split by the travelcard valid part?

(And I don't think there is any way of avoiding a zone 1 and/or 2
section without touching out and getting a bus, or maybe Silverlink.)

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

MIG wrote:

This is a bit of a tangent, but if he had a zone 1 and 2 travelcard and
went from Heathrow to Stratford, touching in at Heathrow and out at
Stratford, would that count as one or two PAYG journeys, given that it
was split by the travelcard valid part?

(And I don't think there is any way of avoiding a zone 1 and/or 2
section without touching out and getting a bus, or maybe Silverlink.)

Single z3-z6 costs £1.80 on-peak or £1 off-peak.
Single z3 only costs £1 at all times.
Single z6-z3 via z1 costs £3.50 on-peak or £2 off-peak.

So off-peak the passenger would be charged £2, irrespective of how the
fare is calculated.

On-peak, the passenger would be charged £2.80 for 2 journeys plus
travelcard, or £3.50 for one journey.

I'm 90% sure that Oyster will give the on-peak passenger the most
favourable fare - ie 2 PAYG journeys plus travelcard - but haven't
tried it so can't confirm.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

MIG wrote:
(And I don't think there is any way of avoiding a zone 1 and/or 2
section without touching out and getting a bus, or maybe Silverlink.)

You can avoid zone 1:

change at Acton Town for District Line
Change at Turnham Green for train going in reverse direction
change at Gunnersbury.

Alternative via Earls Court, Olympia, Willesden Junction.

Another alternative via Acton Town, Rayners Lane, Finchley Road then
street level to Finchley Road & Frognal or alternatively West Hampstead
but the interchange there is also street-level. (That is assuming
Silverlink between West Hampstead and Stratford as the Jubilee Line
goes into zone 1)

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

Earl Purple wrote:
(And I don't think there is any way of avoiding a zone 1 and/or 2
section without touching out and getting a bus, or maybe Silverlink.)

You can avoid zone 1:

change at Acton Town for District Line
Change at Turnham Green for train going in reverse direction
change at Gunnersbury.

Alternative via Earls Court, Olympia, Willesden Junction.

Another alternative via Acton Town, Rayners Lane, Finchley Road then
street level to Finchley Road & Frognal or alternatively West Hampstead
but the interchange there is also street-level. (That is assuming
Silverlink between West Hampstead and Stratford as the Jubilee Line
goes into zone 1)

The problem here is that the putative Travelcard for this example is
only z12. The NLL goes into z3 at Willesden, Hampstead Heath and
Stratford, and Oyster Prepay to cover the difference isn't valid until
the end of 2007.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

John B wrote:
MIG wrote:

This is a bit of a tangent, but if he had a zone 1 and 2 travelcard and
went from Heathrow to Stratford, touching in at Heathrow and out at
Stratford, would that count as one or two PAYG journeys, given that it
was split by the travelcard valid part?

(And I don't think there is any way of avoiding a zone 1 and/or 2
section without touching out and getting a bus, or maybe Silverlink.)

Single z3-z6 costs £1.80 on-peak or £1 off-peak.
Single z3 only costs £1 at all times.
Single z6-z3 via z1 costs £3.50 on-peak or £2 off-peak.

So off-peak the passenger would be charged £2, irrespective of how the
fare is calculated.

On-peak, the passenger would be charged £2.80 for 2 journeys plus
travelcard, or £3.50 for one journey.

I'm 90% sure that Oyster will give the on-peak passenger the most
favourable fare - ie 2 PAYG journeys plus travelcard - but haven't
tried it so can't confirm.


So that means that the passenger is effectively charged twice
(off-peak) for the part of the journey already covered by the
travelcard.

Given that it is actually only one journey, this seems a bit unfair. I
would have thought that there was a good case for the fare being £1
(zone 6 to 3 with the 1 and 2 part already paid for).

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

In article .com,
John B wrote:
Single z3-z6 costs £1.80 on-peak or £1 off-peak.
Single z3 only costs £1 at all times.
Single z6-z3 via z1 costs £3.50 on-peak or £2 off-peak.

So off-peak the passenger would be charged £2, irrespective of how the
fare is calculated.

On-peak, the passenger would be charged £2.80 for 2 journeys plus
travelcard, or £3.50 for one journey.

Surely the passenger would be charged 1.80 or 1 for a z3-6 extension,
given that it is a single journey that needs z1-6 validity?

The travelcard part provides the z12 validty, the extension provides
z3-6 for a single journey.

--
I don't play The Game - it's for five-year-olds with delusions of adulthood.

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:36:57 +0000 (UTC), Mike Bristow
wrote:

In article .com,
John B wrote:
Single z3-z6 costs £1.80 on-peak or £1 off-peak.
Single z3 only costs £1 at all times.
Single z6-z3 via z1 costs £3.50 on-peak or £2 off-peak.

So off-peak the passenger would be charged £2, irrespective of how the
fare is calculated.

On-peak, the passenger would be charged £2.80 for 2 journeys plus
travelcard, or £3.50 for one journey.

Surely the passenger would be charged 1.80 or 1 for a z3-6 extension,
given that it is a single journey that needs z1-6 validity?

The travelcard part provides the z12 validty, the extension provides
z3-6 for a single journey.

That is certainly how I understand it. You do not pay twice for your
travelcard zones and as London zones are concentric you only pay for Z3
once even if you travel through it twice on both "sides" of your
travelcard validity. I'm pretty sure this logic has applied since zones
were first introduced.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

The travelcard covers his journey as far as Northfields (zone 3) and not
beyond. He then needs an extension which is valid from Northfields to
Heathrow, which has to be a zone 3-6 single. Your logic would work if
Northfields were a boundary station in both zones 3 and 4, but it isn't.

No, I think it's your logic, that is strange. With your logic if I have
ticket for zone 3, and separate ticket for zone 4, I cannot travel
between zones 3 and 4 without buying 3rd ticket for 3-4 combined.

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:52:52 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

wrote:
Actually the PAYG fare would be for Zones 3-6, otherwise he would
not have a valid ticket between Northfields and Boston Manor
(across the zone 3/4 boundary). The costs are the same, though.

Actually it would be for 4-6, because his travelcard covers zones
1-3, and so the extension would be for the additional zones he is
travelling through - zones 4-6. Otherwise he'd be paying twice for
zone 3.

The travelcard covers his journey as far as Northfields (zone 3) and not
beyond. He then needs an extension which is valid from Northfields to
Heathrow, which has to be a zone 3-6 single. Your logic would work if
Northfields were a boundary station in both zones 3 and 4, but it isn't.

For LU fares you add on the zones as they are contiguous. You do not
have to buy from the last station within a zone.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:52:52 GMT, Richard J. wrote:

Actually the PAYG fare would be for Zones 3-6, otherwise he would
not have a valid ticket between Northfields and Boston Manor
(across the zone 3/4 boundary). The costs are the same, though.

Actually it would be for 4-6, because his travelcard covers zones
1-3, and so the extension would be for the additional zones he is
travelling through - zones 4-6. Otherwise he'd be paying twice for
zone 3.

The travelcard covers his journey as far as Northfields (zone 3) and not
beyond. He then needs an extension which is valid from Northfields to
Heathrow, which has to be a zone 3-6 single. Your logic would work if
Northfields were a boundary station in both zones 3 and 4, but it isn't.

As others have said, this is not how it works in practice. If you
like, the Travelcard is valid to the Z3/4 boundary (a point on the
track somewhere between Northfields and Boston Manor), and only a Z4-6
single is needed to cover from there to Heathrow.

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

asdf wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:52:52 GMT, Richard J. wrote:

Actually the PAYG fare would be for Zones 3-6, otherwise he would
not have a valid ticket between Northfields and Boston Manor
(across the zone 3/4 boundary). The costs are the same, though.

Actually it would be for 4-6, because his travelcard covers zones
1-3, and so the extension would be for the additional zones he is
travelling through - zones 4-6. Otherwise he'd be paying twice
for zone 3.

The travelcard covers his journey as far as Northfields (zone 3)
and not beyond. He then needs an extension which is valid from
Northfields to Heathrow, which has to be a zone 3-6 single. Your
logic would work if Northfields were a boundary station in both
zones 3 and 4, but it isn't.

As others have said, this is not how it works in practice. If you
like, the Travelcard is valid to the Z3/4 boundary (a point on the
track somewhere between Northfields and Boston Manor), and only a
Z4-6 single is needed to cover from there to Heathrow.

Yes, of course! Now you explain it like that, it seems obvious. Please
ignore my previous posts in this thread. I should have known better than
to try to correct Barry Salter on ticketing!
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

Richard J. wrote:

Yes, of course! Now you explain it like that, it seems obvious. Please
ignore my previous posts in this thread. I should have known better than
to try to correct Barry Salter on ticketing!

Thats alright, I was about to point out what my job is... but I shan't
bother now ;)

Just to clarify for anyone who is still confused (there's a lot of
different theories bouncing around this thread) if you have a season
ticket on oyster, lets use this example of a 1-3 ticket, and you have
pre-pay to cover any trips you make beyond zone 3, your extension will
be calculated from zone 4 outwards, as you are covered up to and
including all stations within zone 3.

So travelling Stratford to Heathrow, you are covered for zones 1-3, so
when you leave the network at Heathrow (making sure you touch out of
course) you will be charged for the extra zones you have travelled
through, which are zones 4, 5, and 6.

Combination of travelcards and pay-as-you-go Oyster?
 

So travelling Stratford to Heathrow, you are covered for zones 1-3, so
when you leave the network at Heathrow (making sure you touch out of
course) you will be charged for the extra zones you have travelled
through, which are zones 4, 5, and 6.

Well, now I'm 100% sure ;-)
Thank you!