I'm trying to do something that may be impossible...help would be
appreciated. I will be arriving Friday night at Heathrow in a few
weeks. I imagine I'll be out of customs by 10:00 pm. Is there any way
I can arrive in Blackheath, where I will be staying by 11:00 pm? Here
are some questions...

1. If I got a cab at the airport, how long would it take and about how
much would that cost (approximately) to get to Blackheath? (I'm afraid
to hear the answer, because I recall that cabs in London were a King's
ransom.)

2. Can I take either the Heathrow Express or the Underground at
Heathrow and get off someplace in London from which I could get a cab?
What stop would I get out at? Would this save time or money? Would it
be safe?

3. Does the Heathrow Express make stops between the Airport and
Paddington? Where do you catch the Picadilly Line at Heathrow?

I look forward to receiving information.

Thank you.

JKF

"Jkf" wrote:
I'm trying to do something that may be impossible...help would be
appreciated. I will be arriving Friday night at Heathrow in a few
weeks. I imagine I'll be out of customs by 10:00 pm. Is there any way
I can arrive in Blackheath, where I will be staying by 11:00 pm?

You should manage it within the hour, I'd have thought.

1. If I got a cab at the airport, how long would it take and about how
much would that cost (approximately) to get to Blackheath? (I'm afraid
to hear the answer, because I recall that cabs in London were a King's
ransom.)

There's a London cabbie that hangs around in here (Mike Hughes IIRC) so he
should be able to answer that one.....

2. Can I take either the Heathrow Express or the Underground at
Heathrow and get off someplace in London from which I could get a cab?
What stop would I get out at? Would this save time or money? Would it
be safe?

Depends how much luggage you've got. The Piccadilly line is a slow trek
into London so I wouldn't recommend that, but OTOH the Heathrow Express is
expensive, but much quicker. If you take the latter, the Bakerloo Line is
the easiest to get to from the mainline trains, which is handy as that's
what you want. From there you could either stay on until Charing Cross and
get the mainline train to Blackheath, or change at Baker Street for the
Jubilee Line, get off at London Bridge, and get a train from there. That's
possibly easier as there's quite a walk from the Bakerloo Line to the
mainline station at Charing Cross, and I *think* that it's easier at London
Bridge. Also, changing at Baker Street is very easy as it's a
cross-platform interchange, so a quick dash across the platforms - no
stairs/escalators involved.

Have a look on www.journeyplanner.org - a quick look says it'll take about 1
hour 8 minutes. At a guess a taxi should easily beat that, but obviously it
comes at a price.

3. Does the Heathrow Express make stops between the Airport and
Paddington? Where do you catch the Picadilly Line at Heathrow?

Either the main T1-2-3 or T4 station - not completely sure on that one to be
honest, but I think they're part of the same stations as the tube stations.

--
"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died."

In message , AstraVanMan
writes
"Jkf" wrote:
I'm trying to do something that may be impossible...help would be
appreciated. I will be arriving Friday night at Heathrow in a few
weeks. I imagine I'll be out of customs by 10:00 pm. Is there any way
I can arrive in Blackheath, where I will be staying by 11:00 pm?

You should manage it within the hour, I'd have thought.

Shouldn't be a problem - that's what the knowledge is all about !

1. If I got a cab at the airport, how long would it take and about how
much would that cost (approximately) to get to Blackheath? (I'm afraid
to hear the answer, because I recall that cabs in London were a King's
ransom.)

There's a London cabbie that hangs around in here (Mike Hughes IIRC) so he
should be able to answer that one.....

Done that elsewhere.

--
Mike Hughes
A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England

Thank you so much for your help. I am amazed, and delighted, that so
many people took the time to try and figure this one out for me! I'm
working on it!

Joanne

AstraVanMan wrote:
"Jkf" wrote:
I'm trying to do something that may be impossible...help would be
appreciated. I will be arriving Friday night at Heathrow in a few
weeks. I imagine I'll be out of customs by 10:00 pm. Is there any way
I can arrive in Blackheath, where I will be staying by 11:00 pm?

You should manage it within the hour, I'd have thought.

1. If I got a cab at the airport, how long would it take and about how
much would that cost (approximately) to get to Blackheath? (I'm afraid
to hear the answer, because I recall that cabs in London were a King's
ransom.)

There's a London cabbie that hangs around in here (Mike Hughes IIRC) so he
should be able to answer that one.....

2. Can I take either the Heathrow Express or the Underground at
Heathrow and get off someplace in London from which I could get a cab?
What stop would I get out at? Would this save time or money? Would it
be safe?

Depends how much luggage you've got. The Piccadilly line is a slow trek
into London so I wouldn't recommend that, but OTOH the Heathrow Express is
expensive, but much quicker. If you take the latter, the Bakerloo Line is
the easiest to get to from the mainline trains, which is handy as that's
what you want. From there you could either stay on until Charing Cross and
get the mainline train to Blackheath, or change at Baker Street for the
Jubilee Line, get off at London Bridge, and get a train from there. That's
possibly easier as there's quite a walk from the Bakerloo Line to the
mainline station at Charing Cross, and I *think* that it's easier at London
Bridge. Also, changing at Baker Street is very easy as it's a
cross-platform interchange, so a quick dash across the platforms - no
stairs/escalators involved.

Have a look on www.journeyplanner.org - a quick look says it'll take about 1
hour 8 minutes. At a guess a taxi should easily beat that, but obviously it
comes at a price.

3. Does the Heathrow Express make stops between the Airport and
Paddington? Where do you catch the Picadilly Line at Heathrow?

Either the main T1-2-3 or T4 station - not completely sure on that one to be
honest, but I think they're part of the same stations as the tube stations.

--
"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died."

Jkf wrote:

Thank you so much for your help. I am amazed, and delighted [...]

.... and possibly ever so slightly disturbed?! ;-) ...

[...] that so
many people took the time to try and figure this one out for me! I'm
working on it!

Joanne



Apols for referring to you as a he - I saw JKF and thought you were
possibly the somewhat confused ghost of Camelot who'd got their
initials muddled up, hence I erroneously assigned you the male gender.

You could always try these boys...

http://www.virgin.com/subsites/virginlimobike/link.html

....it's out of their normal hours but they're "open to queries" about
out of hours jobs, presumably so long as your purse is open for them to
take out a fat wedge of notes!

I'd offer you a lift myself, but my bike doesn't go that fast,
something to do with it being powered by my legs or something.

On 6 Oct 2006 14:31:31 -0700, "Jkf" wrote:

I'm trying to do something that may be impossible...help would be
appreciated. I will be arriving Friday night at Heathrow in a few
weeks. I imagine I'll be out of customs by 10:00 pm. Is there any way
I can arrive in Blackheath, where I will be staying by 11:00 pm? Here
are some questions...

The TfL Journey Planner says you can make the trip in 1hr 6 mins which I
think is pretty good for late evening. I cannot see a cab beating that
sort of time because it can be a long slog just to Central London from
Heathrow and there are no real fast routes through South London and the
trip you are making is a long one by road.

http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...T2?language=en


1. If I got a cab at the airport, how long would it take and about how
much would that cost (approximately) to get to Blackheath? (I'm afraid
to hear the answer, because I recall that cabs in London were a King's
ransom.)

No idea about taxis - never use them. I understand cabs from Heathrow
will charge you a premium. You may also struggle to get one to take you
to Blackheath as opposed to Central London.

2. Can I take either the Heathrow Express or the Underground at
Heathrow and get off someplace in London from which I could get a cab?
What stop would I get out at? Would this save time or money? Would it
be safe?

Why get a cab? - trains and tube will get you there quickly

Heathrow will be busy, Paddington will be busy and Central London will
be busy on a Friday night. It is very unlikely anywhere will feel
unsafe.

3. Does the Heathrow Express make stops between the Airport and
Paddington? Where do you catch the Picadilly Line at Heathrow?

The Journey Planner recommends you take HEX from Heathrow T123 (I made
that assumption - the journey will be slightly longer if you are landing
at Terminal 4 and would take the train from there). Note that HEX
charges a premium fare so you will pay for the fast and comfortable
journey. It takes 17 minutes and is non stop to Paddington. This is the
22.02 departure from Heathrow T123 HEX station arriving at Paddington at
22.19. You will arrive at platforms 6 or 7 in the main line (above
ground station). Follow the signs for "Underground" - there is a big
entrance heading down off the main concourse. There are escalators and
steps. The underground ticket office / machines are on your left. The
ticket gates are in front of you - once through them follow the signs
for the brown Bakerloo line. This is to your left, down a corridor, into
another ticket hall and there are escalators heading downstairs. At the
bottom you want the right hand platform and the train destination should
show Elephant and Castle. This train will take you to Charing Cross.

From Paddington you will need to take the Southbound Bakerloo Line (any
train from that platform) to Charing Cross. Journey Planner says there
is a train at 22.28 - trains are very frequent though. When getting off
the tube follow the Way Out signs and then the signs for Charing Cross
Main Line Station (Signed as National Rail).

At Charing Cross Tube you come up an escalator into the ticket hall.
Once through the gates turn to your right and make sure you follow the
signs for the Main Line Station. There is a big underground subway
complex here and it is easy to get lost - however there will be a decent
flow of people heading this way. There is an escalator to take you up
into the main line station.

In Charing Cross you will take a train to Blackheath. This is the 22.49
departure - its final destination will be Dartford so look for that and
the time on the departure boards to find your platform. Charing Cross
is a busy but compact station - there are not many platforms to choose
from. Your train will arrive at Blackheath at 23.08.

Now the one thing I am not sure about is whether you can buy one ticket
all the way through from Heathrow on HEX plus the tube plus the train to
Blackheath. It will be convenient if you can but I think HEX is
separately ticketed from the rest of the main line network - I'm sure
someone "in the know" will pop up. My best recommendation is to at
least ask at Heathrow HEX station as to whether they can sell you a
through ticket all the way - their website is silent about this. If they
cannot then buy a single to Paddington. At Paddington Tube Station ask
for a through single ticket to Blackheath at the ticket office - they
should be able to sell you one. The National Rail website says the
ticket should cost £5.40.

http://nationalrail.co.uk/index.html

What you have not said is how encumbered you will be. If you have 27
suitcases with you then the above route will be difficult as there are
escalators and stairs to deal with at each of the stations. If you are
not too encumbered then you should be fine.

I can't do any more detail than the above (!) so I hope you find it
useful.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 14:31:31 -0700, "Jkf" wrote:

I'm trying to do something that may be impossible...help would be
appreciated. I will be arriving Friday night at Heathrow in a few
weeks. I imagine I'll be out of customs by 10:00 pm. Is there any way
I can arrive in Blackheath, where I will be staying by 11:00 pm? Here
are some questions...

The TfL Journey Planner says you can make the trip in 1hr 6 mins which I
think is pretty good for late evening. I cannot see a cab beating that
sort of time because it can be a long slog just to Central London from
Heathrow and there are no real fast routes through South London and the
trip you are making is a long one by road.

http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...T2?language=en


1. If I got a cab at the airport, how long would it take and about how
much would that cost (approximately) to get to Blackheath? (I'm afraid
to hear the answer, because I recall that cabs in London were a King's
ransom.)

No idea about taxis - never use them. I understand cabs from Heathrow
will charge you a premium. You may also struggle to get one to take you
to Blackheath as opposed to Central London.

2. Can I take either the Heathrow Express or the Underground at
Heathrow and get off someplace in London from which I could get a cab?
What stop would I get out at? Would this save time or money? Would it
be safe?

Why get a cab? - trains and tube will get you there quickly

Heathrow will be busy, Paddington will be busy and Central London will
be busy on a Friday night. It is very unlikely anywhere will feel
unsafe.

3. Does the Heathrow Express make stops between the Airport and
Paddington? Where do you catch the Picadilly Line at Heathrow?

The Journey Planner recommends you take HEX from Heathrow T123 (I made
that assumption - the journey will be slightly longer if you are landing
at Terminal 4 and would take the train from there). Note that HEX
charges a premium fare so you will pay for the fast and comfortable
journey. It takes 17 minutes and is non stop to Paddington. This is the
22.02 departure from Heathrow T123 HEX station arriving at Paddington at
22.19. You will arrive at platforms 6 or 7 in the main line (above
ground station). Follow the signs for "Underground" - there is a big
entrance heading down off the main concourse. There are escalators and
steps. The underground ticket office / machines are on your left. The
ticket gates are in front of you - once through them follow the signs
for the brown Bakerloo line. This is to your left, down a corridor, into
another ticket hall and there are escalators heading downstairs. At the
bottom you want the right hand platform and the train destination should
show Elephant and Castle. This train will take you to Charing Cross.

From Paddington you will need to take the Southbound Bakerloo Line (any
train from that platform) to Charing Cross. Journey Planner says there
is a train at 22.28 - trains are very frequent though. When getting off
the tube follow the Way Out signs and then the signs for Charing Cross
Main Line Station (Signed as National Rail).

At Charing Cross Tube you come up an escalator into the ticket hall.
Once through the gates turn to your right and make sure you follow the
signs for the Main Line Station. There is a big underground subway
complex here and it is easy to get lost - however there will be a decent
flow of people heading this way. There is an escalator to take you up
into the main line station.

In Charing Cross you will take a train to Blackheath. This is the 22.49
departure - its final destination will be Dartford so look for that and
the time on the departure boards to find your platform. Charing Cross
is a busy but compact station - there are not many platforms to choose
from. Your train will arrive at Blackheath at 23.08.

Now the one thing I am not sure about is whether you can buy one ticket
all the way through from Heathrow on HEX plus the tube plus the train to
Blackheath. It will be convenient if you can but I think HEX is
separately ticketed from the rest of the main line network - I'm sure
someone "in the know" will pop up. My best recommendation is to at
least ask at Heathrow HEX station as to whether they can sell you a
through ticket all the way - their website is silent about this. If they
cannot then buy a single to Paddington. At Paddington Tube Station ask
for a through single ticket to Blackheath at the ticket office - they
should be able to sell you one. The National Rail website says the
ticket should cost £5.40.

http://nationalrail.co.uk/index.html

What you have not said is how encumbered you will be. If you have 27
suitcases with you then the above route will be difficult as there are
escalators and stairs to deal with at each of the stations. If you are
not too encumbered then you should be fine.

I can't do any more detail than the above (!) so I hope you find it
useful.
--
Paul C



Just an extra thought about changing with luggage. Charing Cross and
London Bridge will both be horrible interchanges, although Bakerloo to
Jubilee is very easy at Baker Street.

London Bridge is thoroughly horrible and you have to walk miles.

Charing Cross because you are arriving on the Bakerloo. The Bakerloo
really calls at the old Trafalgar Square station. The first escalator
takes you up to Trafalgar Square, but the National Rail signs take you
along a passage under the Strand so that you come up under Charing
Cross after a long walk.

So I wonder if it might be slightly better to do the Baker Street
change and get out at Southwark instead, where the walk to Waterloo
East isn't as long as either Charing Cross or London Bridge I think.
Trains are timetabled to depart Waterloo East three minutes after
Charing Cross.

In message , Paul Corfield
writes

No idea about taxis - never use them. I understand cabs from Heathrow
will charge you a premium.

No premium from Heathrow. Just a 2.00 GBP charge which half what we get
charged to go into the system before being allowed to pick up at the
terminal.

You may also struggle to get one to take you
to Blackheath as opposed to Central London.

Blackheath is outside the compellable distance but there are usually
plenty of drivers prepared to go there.


2. Can I take either the Heathrow Express or the Underground at
Heathrow and get off someplace in London from which I could get a cab?
What stop would I get out at? Would this save time or money? Would it
be safe?

Why get a cab? - trains and tube will get you there quickly

But probably not within the hour, especially if you don't know your way
around the system and may be laden with luggage.

Heathrow will be busy, Paddington will be busy and Central London will
be busy on a Friday night. It is very unlikely anywhere will feel
unsafe.


--
Mike Hughes
A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England

On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:13:06 +0100, Mike Hughes
wrote:

In message , Paul Corfield
writes

Why get a cab? - trains and tube will get you there quickly

But probably not within the hour, especially if you don't know your way
around the system and may be laden with luggage.

Which is why I provided such a detailed set of directions. With that
you're very unlikely to be lost.

I accept the luggage point which is why I specifically mentioned it at
the end of the post. If someone is laden down with stuff then public
transport is much more difficult and will take more time on the
interchange legs of the journey.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:


(snip much helpful advice)

Now the one thing I am not sure about is whether you can buy one ticket
all the way through from Heathrow on HEX plus the tube plus the train to
Blackheath. It will be convenient if you can but I think HEX is
separately ticketed from the rest of the main line network - I'm sure
someone "in the know" will pop up. My best recommendation is to at
least ask at Heathrow HEX station as to whether they can sell you a
through ticket all the way - their website is silent about this. If they
cannot then buy a single to Paddington. At Paddington Tube Station ask
for a through single ticket to Blackheath at the ticket office - they
should be able to sell you one. The National Rail website says the
ticket should cost £5.40.

http://nationalrail.co.uk/index.html


The National Rail (NR) website is also talking balls! The £5.40 fare
quoted by the NR website would appear to be the price of a zones 1-4
off-peak Day Travelcard.

However the NR website seemingly doesn't take account of the new
"Tube/DLR - Train tickets" which are "the maximum you will pay for a
single journey in the London zonal area" - see the pricing table on the
TfL website [1] or in the TfL fares booklet [2]. In this case a
Paddington (zone 1) to Blackheath (zone 3) fares would be £4.40, which
you would buy at Paddington Underground station.

Like Paul I've no idea about whether there's any possibility of
purchasing a through ticket at Heathrow before boarding the HEX, but as
Paul rightly says you can but ask.

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[1] Tube/DLR - Train fares on the TfL website
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tick...e/rail-2.shtml

[2] Tube/DLR - Train fares in the TfL Fares & tickets booklet (PDF
file)
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tick...006.pdf#page=6