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It would seem the Secretary of State has agreed to the closure of the
NLL and also approved the TWA for the DLR conversion / extension to Stratford International. There are a few interesting ticketing conditions imposed on DLR given the loss of DLR service. More info at http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_613457.hcsp http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_613456.hcsp http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays_613464.pdf -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
NLL Closure / DLR to Stratford International
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message ... It would seem the Secretary of State has agreed to the closure of the NLL and also approved the TWA for the DLR conversion / extension to Stratford International. There are a few interesting ticketing conditions imposed on DLR given the loss of DLR service. More info at http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_613457.hcsp http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_613456.hcsp http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays_613464.pdf -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! The DfT must read this group - its only a couple of days ago I posted about the lack of info about what the decision was! Paul S |
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:30:59 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote: The DfT must read this group - its only a couple of days ago I posted about the lack of info about what the decision was! We can live in hope but the debate was somewhat prescient wasn't it? -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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In message , Paul Scott
writes "Paul Corfield" wrote in message .. . It would seem the Secretary of State has agreed to the closure of the NLL and also approved the TWA for the DLR conversion / extension to Stratford International. There are a few interesting ticketing conditions imposed on DLR given the loss of DLR service. More info at http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group.../page/dft_abou t_613457.hcsp http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group.../page/dft_abou t_613456.hcsp http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...nts/page/dft_r ailways_613464.pdf -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! The DfT must read this group - its only a couple of days ago I posted about the lack of info about what the decision was! Quite, although they have some partially out of date information as the last link states witihn in text: "25. ...that the c2c Capital Club Weekend Ranger ticket between West Ham and Stratford should continue to be accepted... Such agreement is to be implemented" The ticket was withdrawn around the start of this year. Unless they know something c2c aren't prepared to admit :) Reading the above document in full it appears that the DfT weren't in hand tieing mode, given that they have given the various parties leave to ignore most of London TravelWatch's recommendations. -- Paul G Typing from Barking |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
There are a few interesting ticketing conditions imposed on DLR given the loss of DLR service. But not to carry bicycles. A very poor show, especially given that people in those areas may well rely on them. Notably, there is also a requirement for a ticket office at London City Airport - which already exists! (The through ticketing requirement is an interesting one, though). Neil |
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(Paul Corfield) wrote: It would seem the Secretary of State has agreed to the closure of the NLL and also approved the TWA for the DLR conversion / extension to Stratford International. There are a few interesting ticketing conditions imposed on DLR given the loss of DLR service. More info at http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ge/dft_about_6 13457.hcsp http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ge/dft_about_6 13456.hcsp http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group.../page/dft_rail ways_613464.pdf Anyone know how the condition to accept Silverlink tickets from Stratford through to King George V until Oyster is implemented on the NLL is to be implemented? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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"Paul Scott" wrote in message ... "Paul Corfield" wrote in message ... It would seem the Secretary of State has agreed to the closure of the NLL and also approved the TWA for the DLR conversion / extension to Stratford International. There are a few interesting ticketing conditions imposed on DLR given the loss of DLR service. More info at http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_613457.hcsp http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_613456.hcsp http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays_613464.pdf -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! The DfT must read this group - its only a couple of days ago I posted about the lack of info about what the decision was! Paul S Will the NLL services continue to use platforms 1 & 2 from December 10th, or are they moving elsewhere (11?) immediately? Paul |
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"Paul Scott" wrote in
: Will the NLL services continue to use platforms 1 & 2 from December 10th, or are they moving elsewhere (11?) immediately? On a similar note, what is actually going to happen to the existing platforms at Canning Town and elsewhere? Are they just going to sit there and rot? Are the public going to allowed up there any more? Since the plan is for Crossrail to go from Whitechapel via Isle of Dogs and Custom House for ExCeL to Abbey Wood, is it geographically impossible for the line to go via (and stop) at Canning Town (which is, after all, with its City Airport link, becoming a major TFL hub in its own right?) Geographically it may be impossible. But imagine the distance it will cut between Canning Town and Whitechapel. Currently that involves taking the JLE to West Ham and changing for the District Line. It would really make it easy to go from Liverpool Street to City Airport and back - take the Crossrail to Canning Town and change. :-) I know, as a Canning Town (nearby) resident, I'm trying to big up the area and make it even more of an important place - I have a hidden agenda ;-)) But to be honest, if there's a big platform not being used at what has rapidly become a major interchange station such as Canning Town, and Crossrail is going from Liverpool Street etc to ExCeL anyway........ :-)) I expect that geographically it's impossible though. Haven't seen the exact location of the (future) Crossrail route - assuming all goes to plan. |
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"Tristán White" wrote in message . 109.145... "Paul Scott" wrote in : Will the NLL services continue to use platforms 1 & 2 from December 10th, or are they moving elsewhere (11?) immediately? On a similar note, what is actually going to happen to the existing platforms at Canning Town and elsewhere? Are they just going to sit there and rot? Are the public going to allowed up there any more? Er.. you haven't been following why the NLL closure is taking place at all, have you, even living in Canning Town! I gues you won't have taken part in the consultation process..... Canning Town NLL platforms & Straftford platforms 1 &2 become DLR platforms - that's the whole point of the NLL closures..... Paul |
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"Paul Scott" wrote in
: Er.. you haven't been following why the NLL closure is taking place at all, have you, even living in Canning Town! I gues you won't have taken part in the consultation process..... No, I never knew anything about the closure until it was all agreed. I'd have loved to have been consulted! Canning Town NLL platforms & Straftford platforms 1 &2 become DLR platforms - that's the whole point of the NLL closures..... Shame. Would have been nice to have lobbied for a Canning Town stop on Crossrail ;-) But more to the point, WHY? The good thing about the DLR where it is at the moment, is if I am going into town, I stand just at the bottom of the escalators to the DLR where I can see how long for the next DLR and whether it's going to Tower Gateway or Bank. Depending on whether one of them, or the JLE, comes first, I take it. Going from Canning Town to Kings Cross, it's slightly quicker to take the DLR to Bank and change to the Northern Line, but if there's a JLE in 1 minute and a Bank train in 7, it's not worth it. It's quite useful to hover in this limbo with easy access to either platform. So why move the DLR to the NLL platform at Canning Town? Not to mention the extra expense that this reburbishment will entail, and the necessary downtime. Not to mention the fact that the current DLL platform is completely accessible whereas the future one on the current NLL platform is not (yet). Oh well, they had their consultation and I wasn't asked, so I guess it's too late now. If I were asked, I would say: REASON FOR KEEPING IT AS IT IS: * easy for customers to stand in a spot and choose the first service into town * totally accessible for wheelchairs already * no need to close for refurbishments * keeps current NLL platforms available for another use (Crossrail, lol... or anything the future may bring) Of course, I wouldn't have closed this part of the NLL in the first place... REASON FOR CHANGING IT... Can't see any at present. I guess what's done is done. But who do I lobby for a nice, big, clear, dot-matrix display in the Canning Town ticket hall giving the details for the next train into town. Because LUL and DLR are separate, there's not a lot of talking among them. They want you to touch your PAYG Oyster in on the platform at Bank for example, even if you entered the gates somewhere on the system. The "GOOD SERVICE" boards you see at station entrances don't mention DLR. So I'm not holding out many hopes for a nice combined DLR/JLE board, as soon as you go through the ticket barrier, showing which westbound train - JLE or DLR - is coming first, before needing to go up any escalators (or stairs). But maybe could they at the very least have two at this point, one for DLR one for JLE, with the minutes to the next train? It would be a small concession, after royally screwing us Newhamites around with what is surely an unnecessary aesthetic change to a system that worked pretty damn well. Expecting the usual torrents of abuse from some UTL know-alls here... please remember, I'm just a punter not an expert or an employee. And, I add, a punter who was never consulted on jack diddly. |
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Tristán White wrote: It's quite useful to hover in this limbo with easy access to either platform. So why move the DLR to the NLL platform at Canning Town? They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for the new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic Stadium) or whatever it's called this week. |
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solar penguin wrote: They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for the new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic Stadium) or whatever it's called this week. That's right. The service will be "as is", with the *addition* of a Stratford - Canning Town - Beckton-or-King George V-I-can't-remember-which service (the latter, I think). PhiLD -- |
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"Tristán White" wrote in message . 109.145... "Paul Scott" wrote in : Er.. you haven't been following why the NLL closure is taking place at all, have you, even living in Canning Town! I gues you won't have taken part in the consultation process..... No, I never knew anything about the closure until it was all agreed. I'd have loved to have been consulted! Canning Town NLL platforms & Straftford platforms 1 &2 become DLR platforms - that's the whole point of the NLL closures..... The good thing about the DLR where it is at the moment, is if I am going into town, I stand just at the bottom of the escalators to the DLR where I can see how long for the next DLR and whether it's going to Tower Gateway or Bank. Depending on whether one of them, or the JLE, comes first, I take it. Going from Canning Town to Kings Cross, it's slightly quicker to take the DLR to Bank and change to the Northern Line, but if there's a JLE in 1 minute and a Bank train in 7, it's not worth it. It's quite useful to hover in this limbo with easy access to either platform. So why move the DLR to the NLL platform at Canning Town? They aren't 'moving' the DLR - there will be 4 DLR platforms - 2 for stations to Bank as now, 2 for Stratford international. You'll have exactly the same choice for 'going into town' as now..... Not to mention the extra expense that this reburbishment will entail, and the necessary downtime. Not to mention the fact that the current DLL platform is completely accessible whereas the future one on the current NLL platform is not (yet). It will be accessible, like all the new DLR stations on the new DLR route... Oh well, they had their consultation and I wasn't asked, so I guess it's too late now. DLR have convinced the DfT that they undertook a full consultation, including 100% coverage of homes in the area. You must have been out when this happened, if you are new to the area, then unlucky, you missed it.... 'In October 2004, a leaflet describing the proposals was distributed to over 40,000 households and businesses within the catchment area of the proposal. This was followed by presentations at various local forums in late 2004. In February 2005, a second leaflet describing station options was distributed to households and businesses within the station catchment areas. This was followed by a number of local open workshops in early March 2005 to gauge comments and issues. In July 2005 the selected locations for new stations were presented to local residents, with plans and artists impressions.' On the DLR website at: http://developments.dlr.co.uk/extens...rd/index.shtml Paul |
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"PhilD" wrote in message oups.com... solar penguin wrote: They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for the new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic Stadium) or whatever it's called this week. That's right. The service will be "as is", with the *addition* of a Stratford - Canning Town - Beckton-or-King George V-I-can't-remember-which service (the latter, I think). PhiLD Both - there will be a complex juntion south of Canning Town allowing for the 4 possible routes. Paul |
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PhilD wrote:
solar penguin wrote: They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for the new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic Stadium) or whatever it's called this week. That's right. The service will be "as is", with the *addition* of a Stratford - Canning Town - Beckton-or-King George V-I-can't-remember-which service (the latter, I think). PhiLD -- Indeed the situation will be just the same as now if you're going into town. If you're heading to Beckton or King George V, however, it will become rather less convenient - since the first train could leave from either the current DLR platform or the current NLL platform, and the two are rather far apart! |
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In message , Paul Scott
writes DLR have convinced the DfT that they undertook a full consultation, including 100% coverage of homes in the area. You must have been out when this happened, if you are new to the area, then unlucky, you missed it.... 'In October 2004, a leaflet describing the proposals was distributed to over 40,000 households and businesses within the catchment area of the proposal. This was followed by presentations at various local forums in late 2004. In February 2005, a second leaflet describing station options was distributed to households and businesses within the station catchment areas. This was followed by a number of local open workshops in early March 2005 to gauge comments and issues. In July 2005 the selected locations for new stations were presented to local residents, with plans and artists impressions.' Oh yes, I remember that coming though the door. I was one of those 'screwed Newhamites' who agreed with what they proposed and look forward to the enhancements we're getting. I thought the plan was for a Beckton - Stratford Intl service, I do hope so....now that will be handy. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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Paul Scott wrote: DLR have convinced the DfT that they undertook a full consultation, including 100% coverage of homes in the area. You must have been out when this happened, if you are new to the area, then unlucky, you missed it.... 'In October 2004, a leaflet describing the proposals was distributed to over 40,000 households and businesses within the catchment area of the proposal. This was followed by presentations at various local forums in late 2004. In February 2005, a second leaflet describing station options was distributed to households and businesses within the station catchment areas. This was followed by a number of local open workshops in early March 2005 to gauge comments and issues. In July 2005 the selected locations for new stations were presented to local residents, with plans and artists impressions.' As someone who has had to run large-scale public consultations in the past, and making no comment on the original poster, I'd just like to say that even if someone personally went around to every one of the 40,000 households, sat down with the householder and talked them through it, you would still find people saying there had been no consultation. The current plans for the redevelopment of Lewisham town centre are a classic example. I've had god knows how many leaflets and brochures through my door, even though I don't live in Lewisham itself, just in the borough. There are posters up in many places, there's a website, there have been at least five roadshows in the Lewisham Centre plus a series of public meetings and focus groups. Yet at the last public meeting, there were still people there who said they knew nothing about it. Patrick |
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Steve Fitzgerald wrote: I thought the plan was for a Beckton - Stratford Intl service, I do hope so....now that will be handy. Currently, stations from Poplar to Canning Town are served with 12tph. At Canning Town the Beckton and KGV routes diverge, with each terminus receiving 6tph. After the new Canning Town Junction is completed services from Stratford International to Beckton and KGV will be started. AFAIK stations from Stratford Intl to Canning Town will also get 12tph, with the service diverging at Canning Town LL as it does at Canning Town HL to both Beckton and KGV. Basically, this will result in both the Beckton and KGV branches getting double the service they do now without forcing more trains to traverse the junctions at Poplar and West India Quay; it also provides a much more frequent local service to stations along both branches, and also increases access to the Jubilee Line for commuters heading for Canary Wharf. If the Dagenham branch of the DLR is built then the Beckton route will get 18tph, with the Dagenham trains reversing via the Canning Town siding, so if you do in fact live on the Beckton branch, you'll eventually be "in like Flynn" ;-)) |
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Thanks for your (and all the other) helpful replies.
No, I never got a leaflet or a visit and I've lived here since 1999. I live near the Greengate (Plaistow), which I assume is within the catchment area |
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"brixtonite" wrote in
ups.com: Indeed the situation will be just the same as now if you're going into town. If you're heading to Beckton or King George V, however, it will become rather less convenient - since the first train could leave from either the current DLR platform or the current NLL platform, and the two are rather far apart! Thanks. I guess the same will happen if you're going from Canning Town to Stratford - which platform to go to. (As is at the moment with the NLL and JLE, but there's not much competition from NLL for this short route unless the JLE is suspended). All the more reason for hoping that there'll be a big, useful, informative dot matrix display showing the times of the next Beckton/KGeorge V train, and the next Stratford train, on the ticket office level. It will prove useful, and mean people won't be running from one platform to another when they realise that one line has problems and the next one is in 1 minute on the other platform!! Will it happen? I hope so!! But I won't cross my fingers. I haven't seen much collaboration between the tube lines and the DLL lines when it comes to signage (how easy would it be to have that board with GOOD SERVICE written on it to include the DLR?!) Even on the tubes, they can't always do something simple to help customers. I remember often arriving at Euston and not knowing which branch to take - and no information regarding which one had the next train. Whereas Camden Town has the perfect solution: a nice board in the middle with the next train clearly pointed out. |
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"Tristán White" wrote in message . 109.145... "brixtonite" wrote in ups.com: Indeed the situation will be just the same as now if you're going into town. If you're heading to Beckton or King George V, however, it will become rather less convenient - since the first train could leave from either the current DLR platform or the current NLL platform, and the two are rather far apart! Thanks. I guess the same will happen if you're going from Canning Town to Stratford - which platform to go to. No it won't be the same - the junctions are south of Canning Town, so northbound trains will already have been seperated into Bank and Stratford - you can only get over the Jubilee line from the high level (existing) platforms. Think about the situation at Camden Town on the Northern line, its just the same, with the complex crossings south of the station. If there was room to the north of the station you could have had the splitting junctions at either ends of the station, then all 4 platforms could have a nominated destination. Paul |
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Thanks. I guess the same will happen if you're going from Canning Town to Stratford - which platform to go to. No it won't be the same - the junctions are south of Canning Town, so northbound trains will already have been seperated into Bank and Stratford - you can only get over the Jubilee line from the high level (existing) platforms. Think about the situation at Camden Town on the Northern line, its just the same, with the complex crossings south of the station. I think Tristan meant that you could take either the JLE or the DLR to Stratford - and hence could go from two different platforms. But since the Jubilee line has a high frequency and fewer stops than the DLR will have there's probably no competition, except late at night etc when there's a reduced service. If there was room to the north of the station you could have had the splitting junctions at either ends of the station, then all 4 platforms could have a nominated destination. hmm, that would have been ideal - I guess the A13 means the stratford branch couldn't reach the current DLR platforms? Whereas Camden Town has the perfect solution: a nice board in the middle with the next train clearly pointed out. I certainly wouldn't call Camden Town perfect! Relying on electronic boards (which can be, and often are, faulty) is not as good as an island platform where you can wait in one place and be sure of getting the first train. In fact whenever I've been at Camden I find myself and dozens of others rushing from one platform to the other and then back again in search of trains taking the right route. (Although even an island platform as at Earl's court isn't great, since there are often trains on both sides going the same way, with no sign as to which will leave first) |
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"brixtonite" wrote in
ups.com: I think Tristan meant that you could take either the JLE or the DLR to Stratford - and hence could go from two different platforms. But SNIP Thanks Brixtonite, I did :-) |
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"Tristán White" wrote in message . 109.145... "brixtonite" wrote in ups.com: I think Tristan meant that you could take either the JLE or the DLR to Stratford - and hence could go from two different platforms. But SNIP Thanks Brixtonite, I did :-) Well I assumed you meant the 2 DLR platforms. If you bring the JL into the equation, there are 3 platforms for Stratford! Paul |
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Paul Scott wrote:
"PhilD" wrote in message oups.com... solar penguin wrote: They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for the new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic Stadium) or whatever it's called this week. That's right. The service will be "as is", with the *addition* of a Stratford - Canning Town - Beckton-or-King George V-I-can't-remember-which service (the latter, I think). PhiLD Both - there will be a complex juntion south of Canning Town allowing for the 4 possible routes. Are they planning to run all four routes regularly? If so, it would be better for passengers if the northbound tracks had their junction south of the station, and the southbound tracks had their junction north of the station. But that would require building new DLR platforms at approximately the same height as the existing DLR platforms... and then the tracks probably wouldn't fit beneath the road bridge to the north. |
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Tristán White wrote:
"brixtonite" wrote in ups.com: I think Tristan meant that you could take either the JLE or the DLR to Stratford - and hence could go from two different platforms. But SNIP Thanks Brixtonite, I did :-) The ideal solution would be to build new DLR platforms high over the existing NLL platform, join the current JLE island to the current NLL island, and reroute the Londonbound JLE via the current NLL platform for North Woolwich, so you end up with both DLR islands sitting on top of a very wide JLE island. I think the A13 westbound slip road would get in the way of the raised DLR track to/from Stratford ... but that sliproad is hardly necessary, because the current eastbound sliproad could be made 2-way without too many problems. |
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John Rowland wrote:
Paul Scott wrote: "PhilD" wrote in message oups.com... solar penguin wrote: They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for the new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic Stadium) or whatever it's called this week. That's right. The service will be "as is", with the *addition* of a Stratford - Canning Town - Beckton-or-King George V-I-can't-remember-which service (the latter, I think). PhiLD Both - there will be a complex juntion south of Canning Town allowing for the 4 possible routes. Are they planning to run all four routes regularly? If so, it would be better for passengers if the northbound tracks had their junction south of the station, and the southbound tracks had their junction north of the station. But that would require building new DLR platforms at approximately the same height as the existing DLR platforms... and then the tracks probably wouldn't fit beneath the road bridge to the north. AFAIK the service pattern will see all four routes run at regular intervals - 5tph Stratford Int'l to Beckton, 5tph Stratford Int'l to Woolwich Arsenal, 10tph Woolwich Arsenal to Poplar (5tph onwards to Lewisham via Canary Wharf, 5tph to Bank) and about 8tph Beckton to Tower Gateway. My understanding of the Dagenham Dock extension is that there would be 10tph (peak) Dagenham Dock to Stratford Int'l, although I'm not sure if these would substitute for or be additional to the Beckton to Stratford Int'l 5tph. I think a "next train to..." indicator in the ticket hall will be much cheaper than reconstructing the A13... -- Dave Arquati www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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John Rowland wrote:
Tristán White wrote: "brixtonite" wrote in ups.com: I think Tristan meant that you could take either the JLE or the DLR to Stratford - and hence could go from two different platforms. But SNIP Thanks Brixtonite, I did :-) The ideal solution would be to build new DLR platforms high over the existing NLL platform, join the current JLE island to the current NLL island, and reroute the Londonbound JLE via the current NLL platform for North Woolwich, so you end up with both DLR islands sitting on top of a very wide JLE island. I think the A13 westbound slip road would get in the way of the raised DLR track to/from Stratford ... but that sliproad is hardly necessary, because the current eastbound sliproad could be made 2-way without too many problems. Nice layout idea - but I'm unconvinced about making the eastbound sliproad 2-way. The angles would be horrific. -- Dave Arquati www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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Dave Arquati wrote:
John Rowland wrote: The ideal solution would be to build new DLR platforms high over the existing NLL platform, join the current JLE island to the current NLL island, and reroute the Londonbound JLE via the current NLL platform for North Woolwich, so you end up with both DLR islands sitting on top of a very wide JLE island. I think the A13 westbound slip road would get in the way of the raised DLR track to/from Stratford ... but that sliproad is hardly necessary, because the current eastbound sliproad could be made 2-way without too many problems. Nice layout idea - but I'm unconvinced about making the eastbound sliproad 2-way. The angles would be horrific. What angles? |
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John Rowland wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote: John Rowland wrote: The ideal solution would be to build new DLR platforms high over the existing NLL platform, join the current JLE island to the current NLL island, and reroute the Londonbound JLE via the current NLL platform for North Woolwich, so you end up with both DLR islands sitting on top of a very wide JLE island. I think the A13 westbound slip road would get in the way of the raised DLR track to/from Stratford ... but that sliproad is hardly necessary, because the current eastbound sliproad could be made 2-way without too many problems. Nice layout idea - but I'm unconvinced about making the eastbound sliproad 2-way. The angles would be horrific. What angles? For westbound vehicles trying to get onto the A13... am I missing something? -- Dave Arquati www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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Dave Arquati wrote:
John Rowland wrote: Dave Arquati wrote: John Rowland wrote: The ideal solution would be to build new DLR platforms high over the existing NLL platform, join the current JLE island to the current NLL island, and reroute the Londonbound JLE via the current NLL platform for North Woolwich, so you end up with both DLR islands sitting on top of a very wide JLE island. I think the A13 westbound slip road would get in the way of the raised DLR track to/from Stratford ... but that sliproad is hardly necessary, because the current eastbound sliproad could be made 2-way without too many problems. Nice layout idea - but I'm unconvinced about making the eastbound sliproad 2-way. The angles would be horrific. What angles? For westbound vehicles trying to get onto the A13... am I missing something? Maybe you thought I meant that the westbound offfslip would be made two way... I meant that the eastbound offslip would be made two way as far as the East India Dock Road/Leamouth Road junction. |
NLL Closure / DLR to Stratford International
John Rowland wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote: John Rowland wrote: Dave Arquati wrote: John Rowland wrote: The ideal solution would be to build new DLR platforms high over the existing NLL platform, join the current JLE island to the current NLL island, and reroute the Londonbound JLE via the current NLL platform for North Woolwich, so you end up with both DLR islands sitting on top of a very wide JLE island. I think the A13 westbound slip road would get in the way of the raised DLR track to/from Stratford ... but that sliproad is hardly necessary, because the current eastbound sliproad could be made 2-way without too many problems. Nice layout idea - but I'm unconvinced about making the eastbound sliproad 2-way. The angles would be horrific. What angles? For westbound vehicles trying to get onto the A13... am I missing something? Maybe you thought I meant that the westbound offfslip would be made two way... I meant that the eastbound offslip would be made two way as far as the East India Dock Road/Leamouth Road junction. I think I've confused myself now - yes, I think I got confused by the westbound off-slip, and I was also looking at old aerial imagery from before the opening of the eastbound Aspen Way to Canning Town access, so that didn't really help. Under your plan, westbound traffic would no longer be able to directly access Aspen Way - instead it would have to route via Leamouth Road. It would also render defunct the entire westbound access viaduct which is rather new. Perhaps instead the viaduct could be dropped down to Wharfside Road, which would take westbound access traffic from the roundabout via Stephenson St and Bidder St. However, with a conflict across eastbound egress traffic and a couple of right-angled bends, I don't think it would win any road safety awards. The planned layout seems like the only practical one, given the space constraints of the site. -- Dave Arquati www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
NLL Closure / DLR to Stratford International
In message , Dave Arquati
writes John Rowland wrote: Dave Arquati wrote: John Rowland wrote: Dave Arquati wrote: John Rowland wrote: The ideal solution would be to build new DLR platforms high over the existing NLL platform, join the current JLE island to the current NLL island, and reroute the Londonbound JLE via the current NLL platform for North Woolwich, so you end up with both DLR islands sitting on top of a very wide JLE island. I think the A13 westbound slip road would get in the way of the raised DLR track to/from Stratford ... but that sliproad is hardly necessary, because the current eastbound sliproad could be made 2-way without too many problems. Nice layout idea - but I'm unconvinced about making the eastbound sliproad 2-way. The angles would be horrific. What angles? For westbound vehicles trying to get onto the A13... am I missing something? Maybe you thought I meant that the westbound offfslip would be made two way... I meant that the eastbound offslip would be made two way as far as the East India Dock Road/Leamouth Road junction. I think I've confused myself now - yes, I think I got confused by the westbound off-slip, and I was also looking at old aerial imagery from before the opening of the eastbound Aspen Way to Canning Town access, so that didn't really help. Under your plan, westbound traffic would no longer be able to directly access Aspen Way - instead it would have to route via Leamouth Road. It would also render defunct the entire westbound access viaduct which is rather new. Perhaps instead the viaduct could be dropped down to Wharfside Road, which would take westbound access traffic from the roundabout via Stephenson St and Bidder St. However, with a conflict across eastbound egress traffic and a couple of right-angled bends, I don't think it would win any road safety awards. The planned layout seems like the only practical one, given the space constraints of the site. Does anyone know anything about proposed special services to North Woolwich on 10 December ?. -- martyn dawe |
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