wrote:
Not every Londoner as a underground near them so they use a Overground
which don't take Oyster card pay as you go so we don't save on the cost
of one-day travel with a Oyster card pay as you go,we have to use Cash
fares.
So much for the Oyster Revolution in London

It was worse though with the paper system because you could not buy a
one-day travelcard at a bus-stop so you had to go to a newsagent.

Now we happen to live right near 2 bus stops but neither of them have
travel agents right outside so if we wanted to get a one-day travelcard
or one-day bus-pass it meant walking to a newsagent a distance away or
even driving to one to start the journey.

At least with Oyster you can start your journey on the bus and just
wait until capping occurs.

Plus with a paper travelcard you had to know in advance if it was worth
getting, whereas with Oyster pre-pay, if your plans change and you
don't reach the cap, you don't pay for what you don't use.

Of course the OP's issue was with National Rail which is a problem at
the moment but you can buy one-day paper travelcards at such stations
anyway so Oyster hasn't made it any worse really. It would be useful if
you could buy one-day travelcards for Oyster online or even with some
kind of mobile-phone service.

Is there a ticket machine right by either of the bus stops? You can buy a
one-day ticket from those.

How much does a one-day bus pass cost these days, anyway?

"Earl Purple" wrote in message
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Now we happen to live right near 2 bus stops but neither of them have
travel agents right outside so if we wanted to get a one-day travelcard
or one-day bus-pass it meant walking to a newsagent a distance away or
even driving to one to start the journey.

wrote:
Is there a ticket machine right by either of the bus stops? You can buy a
one-day ticket from those.

No there isn't, but with pre-pay now it is a problem only if we intend
to use national rail at some point.

Sometimes one may ride without paying because there is simply no
convenient way to do so. On one occasion a couple of years ago I did
just that from Pudding Mill Lane to Canary Wharf because there was no
option to renew a season. As it happens I did end up "paying" for the
journey later but had to go to Canary Wharf Jubilee Line station to do
so.

On another occasion I free-rode from Finchley Road & Frognal because
there was no option to renew a season there and didn't want to head to
Finchley Road tube and back to do it. I think that journey was also
probably paid for when I eventually got somewhere that I could renew
the season.

Also once went Moorgate to Bowes Park on pre-pay then walked to Bounds
Green to renew the season that would start the next day and touched
"out" there by reaching over the barrier that opens. So once again the
journey was actually paid for. Yes I could have changed at Finsbury
Park and headed to Bounds Green on the Piccadilly Line but I didn't
want to.

Earl Purple wrote:

wrote:
Is there a ticket machine right by either of the bus stops? You can buy a
one-day ticket from those.

No there isn't, but with pre-pay now it is a problem only if we intend
to use national rail at some point.

Sometimes one may ride without paying because there is simply no
convenient way to do so. On one occasion a couple of years ago I did
just that from Pudding Mill Lane to Canary Wharf because there was no
option to renew a season. As it happens I did end up "paying" for the
journey later but had to go to Canary Wharf Jubilee Line station to do
so.

By the by Canary Wharf DLR station's information booth (on the middle
platform) can sell you tickets and it 'does' Oyster, though I suspect
it might be akin to a newsagent and thus can't sell you single tickets.
It can also sell you tickets to West End shows.


On another occasion I free-rode from Finchley Road & Frognal because
there was no option to renew a season there and didn't want to head to
Finchley Road tube and back to do it. I think that journey was also
probably paid for when I eventually got somewhere that I could renew
the season.

Also once went Moorgate to Bowes Park on pre-pay then walked to Bounds
Green to renew the season that would start the next day and touched
"out" there by reaching over the barrier that opens. So once again the
journey was actually paid for. Yes I could have changed at Finsbury
Park and headed to Bounds Green on the Piccadilly Line but I didn't
want to.


Though in the last example you only paid FCC for *part* of your journey
- the Moorgate to Finsbury Park portion. The Oyster system would have
allocated the rest of the journey and hence the rest of the revenue to
LU for a Piccadilly line journey from FP to Bounds Green. The Finsbury
Park to Bowes Park portion of your journey on FCC was therefore not
paid for.

And before anyone says anything yes I'm sure the Oyster PAYG revenue
sharing arrangements are far more complex than outlined above, but the
point stands.

Of course it's about time Oyster PAYG was valid on the FCC Great
Northern lines, and indeed everywhere else, but that's a different
topic that's in almost perpetual discussion here on utl!

Mizter T wrote:
Though in the last example you only paid FCC for *part* of your journey
- the Moorgate to Finsbury Park portion. The Oyster system would have
allocated the rest of the journey and hence the rest of the revenue to
LU for a Piccadilly line journey from FP to Bounds Green. The Finsbury
Park to Bowes Park portion of your journey on FCC was therefore not
paid for.

Why should it assume I used that line at all? I might have taken the
Northern Line to Kings Cross then the Piccadilly Line from there.

And if I have an Oyster season, how would it allocate that?

What might be useful, but I don't think it happens, would be that if
you buy an Oyster Season ticket which would have covered any journeys
you have already made that day, those journeys are automatically
refunded. eg I get a bus to the station (paying £1) then buy a season
ticket, the £1 would automatically go back onto the Oyster pre-pay.

That would have solved the problem of the journey from Pudding Mill
Lane to Canary Wharf, where I could have touched in and out, and
subsequently had the fare automatically refunded when I bought an
Oyster season later the same day.

wrote:

Is there a ticket machine right by either of the bus stops? You can buy a
one-day ticket from those.

How much does a one-day bus pass cost these days, anyway?


One-day bus passes cost £3.50, and in addition to participating
newsagents and all Tube ticket offices they are also available from the
roadside ticket machines at bus stops (you'll need the exact change
though). For comparison the Oyster daily cap for bus use only is £3.