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John Rowland January 11th 07 12:55 PM

Work to start on DLR from Canning Town to Stratford International
 

http://www.nceplus.co.uk/news/news_a...il_engineering



January 14th 07 08:42 PM

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"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

http://www.nceplus.co.uk/news/news_a...il_engineering



So does that mean that the Jubilee and the DLR will both got to Stratford?



Mizter T January 14th 07 09:13 PM

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wrote:

"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

http://www.nceplus.co.uk/news/news_a...il_engineering



So does that mean that the Jubilee and the DLR will both got to Stratford?



They both do already, though in the future the DLR will go to Stratford
twice.

Confused?
See http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/45
and http://developments.dlr.co.uk/extensions/stratford/index.shtml
for all the info.


Colin Rosenstiel January 14th 07 10:19 PM

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In article , craig
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"John Rowland" wrote in
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http://www.nceplus.co
uk/news/news_article/?ChannelID=4&pid=1&aid=56967&sid=47&newscomingfrom =ci
vil_engineering

So does that mean that the Jubilee and the DLR will both got to
Stratford?


They already do. The DLR will get a second route to Stratford.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Tom Anderson January 15th 07 01:18 PM

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, Mizter T wrote:

wrote:

"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

http://www.nceplus.co.uk/news/news_a...il_engineering

So does that mean that the Jubilee and the DLR will both got to Stratford?


They both do already, though in the future the DLR will go to Stratford
twice.


While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town, and can trains from the west head south at
Poplar?

tom

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Paul Scott January 15th 07 02:38 PM

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town,


No - the local topography prevents a connection in this direction - trains
south from Stratford will either go towards Beckton, or towards KGV and
eventually Woolwich (under construction now. Remember that the existing line
east from Stratford to Poplar and Lewisham is also having major improvements
to its platforms at Stratford, which will increase capacity.

and can trains from the west head south at Poplar?


No, they have already headed south at Westferry...

Paul S



Mizter T January 15th 07 02:46 PM

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Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, Mizter T wrote:

wrote:

"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

http://www.nceplus.co.uk/news/news_a...il_engineering

So does that mean that the Jubilee and the DLR will both got to Stratford?


They both do already, though in the future the DLR will go to Stratford
twice.


While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town,


AIUI no - not without reversing at least. This will still require a
complicated junction south of Canning Town, replete with a flyover for
grade seperated movements.

This PDF illustrates the planned service pattern:
http://developments.dlr.co.uk/pdf/extensions/SIE%20Proposed%20frequency%20Changes.pdf

and can trains from the west head south at
Poplar?


No without reversing again. But trains from the west - from Bank/Tower
Gateway already head south directly from Westferry to West India Quay
and to anary Wharf and points south. See the DLR map (PDF):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/pdf/network/zones.pdf

DLR plans to remodel the North Quay Junction - that at the nexus of
Westferry, West India Quay and Poplar - adding a fly-under for services
travelling southeast-bound from Westferry to Canary Wharf, which would
miss West India Quay because of practical reasons. This would mean
there were less conflicting movements at North Quay Junction. Read more
at Dave's site:
http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/30

This fly-under wouldn't change the fact that trains from the west
couldn't head south at Poplar - if you look on a map or visit on the
ground you'll see that Poplar station is too far to the east for this
to be possible.


Tom Anderson January 15th 07 05:44 PM

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town,


No - the local topography prevents a connection in this direction


Surely all that'd be necessary would be to demolish the A13? :)

- trains south from Stratford will either go towards Beckton, or towards
KGV and eventually Woolwich (under construction now. Remember that the
existing line east from Stratford to Poplar and Lewisham is also having
major improvements to its platforms at Stratford, which will increase
capacity.


It still has a single-track section around Pudding Mill Lane, though,
doesn't it?

and can trains from the west head south at Poplar?


No, they have already headed south at Westferry...


Doh! I meant from the east. Looking on the goggly maps, the shadow of the
HSBC building makes it hard to say, but it looks like it would be
possible.

I was, as i think you guessed, wondering if the new route could replace
the old one, but it seems not. It would be a bit longer anyway, and would
mean the line up to Bow Church would look slightly silly.

tom

--
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Mizter T January 15th 07 06:07 PM

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Tom Anderson wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town,


No - the local topography prevents a connection in this direction


Surely all that'd be necessary would be to demolish the A13? :)


After TfL has spent so much money on it!


- trains south from Stratford will either go towards Beckton, or towards
KGV and eventually Woolwich (under construction now. Remember that the
existing line east from Stratford to Poplar and Lewisham is also having
major improvements to its platforms at Stratford, which will increase
capacity.


It still has a single-track section around Pudding Mill Lane, though,
doesn't it?


I think it does. However this branch will have *two* platforms at
Stratford once the redevelopment is finished, which will enhance
capacity.

and can trains from the west head south at Poplar?


No, they have already headed south at Westferry...


Doh! I meant from the east. Looking on the goggly maps, the shadow of the
HSBC building makes it hard to say, but it looks like it would be
possible.


Trains arriving from at Poplar from either the northern or eastern
branches - i.e. from either All Saints or Blackwall can run either
west towards Westferry and the City or south down to West India Quay
and Canary Wharf.


I was, as i think you guessed, wondering if the new route could replace
the old one, but it seems not. It would be a bit longer anyway, and would
mean the line up to Bow Church would look slightly silly.



Tom Anderson January 15th 07 10:29 PM

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Mizter T wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

Remember that the existing line east from Stratford to Poplar and
Lewisham is also having major improvements to its platforms at
Stratford, which will increase capacity.


It still has a single-track section around Pudding Mill Lane, though,
doesn't it?


I think it does. However this branch will have *two* platforms at
Stratford once the redevelopment is finished, which will enhance
capacity.


One cannot deal with a bottleneck by increasing capacity elsewhere!

But i suppose this means that the single-track section is not currently
the bottleneck - it's presumably short enough, and the DLR's computers
smart enough, not to be.

tom

--
A plug on its back, straining to suck voltage from the sky

January 15th 07 10:32 PM

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Seeing that TfL is due to take over the North London (When is that due to
happen?), have they ever thought about further extending the DLR further
west?

Methinks that it would be a boon for Hackney, which suffers from a lack of
any tube stations.

I can imagine the DLR going out to Highbury & Islington, as it would allow
connections to the Victoria Line as well as to the ELL at Dalston Kingsland.
And NLL would terminate at Highbury & Islington.



Tristán White January 16th 07 12:28 AM

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Tom Anderson wrote in
.li:

Work to start on DLR from Canning Town to Stratford International



Anyone know whether there is likely to be any downtime on the existing DLR
lines at Canning Town and Stratford Mainline during these works?


To be honest, I haven't been paying much attention to the DLR of late, just
realised that Stratford Market will now be called Stratford High Street.
This is a shame. Apart from the fact that Stratford High Street is really
anything but - the shops (which is what a "High Street" brings to mind) are
all up on the Broadway - I liked the fact that the name of Stratford Market
was being resuscitated. But there again, Stratford Market is not a market
any more so my argument is well flawed. But it would have been nice to
bring the name back.

Perhaps even better would have been to rename it Stratford Bridge, which
was the name of Stratford Market station from 1847 to 1889. And there is
still a bridge there.

Anyone know whether the DLR station will keep the look and feel of the old
Stratford Market building? Or is it going to be refurbished into hideous
perspex like the rest of them?

As for the decision to change Cody Road to Star Lane, I guess this makes
more sense, but Cody Road is quite some way from Star Lane isn't it? I know
I pick up my couriered parcels from Cody Road which is the Western side of
the Silverlink track, and Star Lane is of course East of the track (quite a
bit East). So has the location of the station changed at all in the rename?


Sorry, so many questions there.... !!

Paul Scott January 16th 07 09:02 AM

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
.li...


One cannot deal with a bottleneck by increasing capacity elsewhere!

But i suppose this means that the single-track section is not currently
the bottleneck - it's presumably short enough, and the DLR's computers
smart enough, not to be.


It should be ok just before a terminus, Tower Gateway effectively has a
single line branch to it, and that off a line interworked with trains to
Bank. I guess a train will just depart from one platform as soon as one
arrives in the other.

Paul



Dave A January 16th 07 06:43 PM

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Tristán White wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote in
.li:

Work to start on DLR from Canning Town to Stratford International



Anyone know whether there is likely to be any downtime on the existing DLR
lines at Canning Town and Stratford Mainline during these works?


To be honest, I haven't been paying much attention to the DLR of late, just
realised that Stratford Market will now be called Stratford High Street.
This is a shame. Apart from the fact that Stratford High Street is really
anything but - the shops (which is what a "High Street" brings to mind) are
all up on the Broadway - I liked the fact that the name of Stratford Market
was being resuscitated. But there again, Stratford Market is not a market
any more so my argument is well flawed. But it would have been nice to
bring the name back.

Perhaps even better would have been to rename it Stratford Bridge, which
was the name of Stratford Market station from 1847 to 1889. And there is
still a bridge there.

Anyone know whether the DLR station will keep the look and feel of the old
Stratford Market building? Or is it going to be refurbished into hideous
perspex like the rest of them?

As for the decision to change Cody Road to Star Lane, I guess this makes
more sense, but Cody Road is quite some way from Star Lane isn't it? I know
I pick up my couriered parcels from Cody Road which is the Western side of
the Silverlink track, and Star Lane is of course East of the track (quite a
bit East). So has the location of the station changed at all in the rename?


The decision to change the name was taken because it was felt that the
catchment on the eastern side of the station was more important (at
least initially), and that Star Lane was a more recognised place locally.

The location of the station hasn't changed at all - it is situated at
the footbridge over the railway which links Cody Road/Stephenson Road to
Star Lane/Manor Road. They essentially face each other across the tracks
(although the road vehicle route between the two involves a lengthy
detour at least five times longer than the distance between them!).

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave A January 16th 07 07:01 PM

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wrote:
Seeing that TfL is due to take over the North London (When is that due to
happen?), have they ever thought about further extending the DLR further
west?

Methinks that it would be a boon for Hackney, which suffers from a lack of
any tube stations.

I can imagine the DLR going out to Highbury & Islington, as it would allow
connections to the Victoria Line as well as to the ELL at Dalston Kingsland.
And NLL would terminate at Highbury & Islington.


TfL's takeover of the North London Line and the rest of the Silverlink
Metro franchise begins in November this year, when it will be rebranded
as London Overground.

AFAIK no proposals exist to extend the DLR further west, although there
have been proposals to extend it northeast slightly from Stratford
International to Temple Mills.

Passenger traffic on the NLL between Stratford and Highbury & Islington
is presently good, and quite busy, with many of passengers making
connections at Highbury & Islington (for central London). Plans are in
the works for significant enhancements to the heavy rail service on the
NLL, initially by extending trains to four cars but later by doubling
service frequency from 4 to 8tph. Extended East London Line services
will interwork with these from west of Dalston beyond Highbury to
Caledonian Road & Barnsbury.

Conversion of the line to DLR would preclude this interworking and
prevent operation of through services from the ELR to the NLL, the key
link in the creation of the orbital railway route via Clapham Junction,
Willesden Junction, Highbury and Canada Water.

The NLL here is also used by freight, and once again conversion to DLR
would preclude this. Whilst the NLL southeast of Stratford is being
converted to DLR operation, passenger routings on that section of the
line are quite different to those on the densely populated and
heavily-used section through Hackney, where a higher proportion of
journeys run through to the west and where the DLR would not be able to
provide a particularly attractive alternative to the heavy rail service.

In the medium term, London Overground services will provide an
attractive service across Hackney, linking into the Underground at
Highbury, Stratford and Whitechapel, and providig access to parts of the
City via Shoreditch High Street station.

In the long (long, long) term, Crossrail 2 would provide Hackney with a
service equivalent to (if not superior to) the Tube by linking Hackney
itself and Dalston to King's Cross, Tottenham Court Road and Victoria.

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Paul Scott January 16th 07 07:15 PM

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"Dave A" wrote in message
...
wrote:

In the medium term, London Overground services will provide an attractive
service across Hackney, linking into the Underground at Highbury,
Stratford and Whitechapel, and providig access to parts of the City via
Shoreditch High Street station.


Dave, as you seem to have a good view of all the upcoming changes - do you
think the use of the term 'Overground' for the south London high frequency
services has got any legs? I had a quick look at the website for the
'Overground Network' - it seems pretty stale, is it still being actively
promoted? There doesn't seem to be much likelihood of Ken running the
services in the short/medium term, and the risk is that with 'North London
Railway', 'NLL', 'ELL', WLL' Overground[TfL]', and 'Overground[NR]' there is
a real risk of a lack of corporate identity, and therefore passenger
confusion?...

Paul



Tom Anderson January 16th 07 08:01 PM

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 wrote:

Methinks that it would be a boon for Hackney, which suffers from a lack
of any tube stations.


Oh god, first we get the ELL, and then the DLR - because of course no
Hackneylander would want to go anywhere west of Whitechapel!

I can imagine the DLR going out to Highbury & Islington, as it would
allow connections to the Victoria Line as well as to the ELL at Dalston
Kingsland. And NLL would terminate at Highbury & Islington.


Hmm. Not so sure about that - that would mean a decrease in capacity from
H&I to Stratford, a change for anyone heading to Stratford (which is
apparently a hip and happening place) from west of H&I, and the loss of
the ability to run trains through from the NLL to the ELL, which is
something some people are rather keen on.

It would be good to have somewhere for the Stratford International branch
to go to the north, though; the development of the Olympic site would be
an ideal time to build it. I can't see anywhere it could go beyond the
site, though, unless you want to chew up yet more marshland, do some
on-street running, or take over the Lea Valley line.

tom

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Dave A January 16th 07 09:16 PM

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Paul Scott wrote:
"Dave A" wrote in message
...
wrote:

In the medium term, London Overground services will provide an attractive
service across Hackney, linking into the Underground at Highbury,
Stratford and Whitechapel, and providig access to parts of the City via
Shoreditch High Street station.


Dave, as you seem to have a good view of all the upcoming changes - do you
think the use of the term 'Overground' for the south London high frequency
services has got any legs? I had a quick look at the website for the
'Overground Network' - it seems pretty stale, is it still being actively
promoted? There doesn't seem to be much likelihood of Ken running the
services in the short/medium term, and the risk is that with 'North London
Railway', 'NLL', 'ELL', WLL' Overground[TfL]', and 'Overground[NR]' there is
a real risk of a lack of corporate identity, and therefore passenger
confusion?...


TfL are quite keen on establishing a good identity for London Overground
services. AIUI the Overground Network branding will be phased out
starting ASAP. I'm not sure if any other branding or identification will
be used in its place - it was semi-helpful in indicating medium to
high-frequency off-peak services (some of which were brought up that
standard with encouragement from TfL), but there are probably other ways
to deal with that.

--
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www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Paul Scott January 16th 07 09:35 PM

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"Dave A" wrote in message
...

TfL are quite keen on establishing a good identity for London Overground
services. AIUI the Overground Network branding will be phased out starting
ASAP. I'm not sure if any other branding or identification will be used in
its place - it was semi-helpful in indicating medium to high-frequency
off-peak services (some of which were brought up that standard with
encouragement from TfL), but there are probably other ways to deal with
that.


Agreed - searching the TfL website you can even find references to improving
security on the 'Bakerloo overground stations' - I think I know what they're
getting at...

Paul



Richard J. January 16th 07 09:54 PM

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Dave A wrote:

Passenger traffic on the NLL between Stratford and Highbury &
Islington is presently good, and quite busy, with many of passengers
making connections at Highbury & Islington (for central London). Plans
are in the works for significant enhancements to the heavy rail
service on the NLL, initially by
extending trains to four cars but later by doubling service frequency
from 4 to 8tph.


I thought it was the other way round, i.e. 8 tph first (from 2009) and
longer trains later. Although your site implies that all the new trains
for the NLL/WLL/ELL will be of 4 cars, the notes at the end of TfL's
press release of 5/9/06 said "24 dual-voltage three-car trains for the
North London Railway from 2009; 20 four-car trains for the East London
Railway when it opens in 2010".

In TfL's response (Feb 2006) to Network Rail's draft Cross-London RUS,
it says "Our research suggests that 3-car operation [on the NLL with 8
tph] may be sufficient to meet 2016 forecast peak hour demand ... but
not beyond."

--
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(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)


Paul Scott January 16th 07 10:00 PM

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"Richard J." wrote in message
.uk...


In TfL's response (Feb 2006) to Network Rail's draft Cross-London RUS, it
says "Our research suggests that 3-car operation [on the NLL with 8 tph]
may be sufficient to meet 2016 forecast peak hour demand ... but not
beyond."


It'll certainly allow plenty of time any for platform lengthening that's
required here and there...

Paul



Tristán White January 17th 07 12:28 AM

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Dave A wrote in
:

Tristán White wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote in
.li:

Work to start on DLR from Canning Town to Stratford International



Anyone know whether there is likely to be any downtime on the
existing DLR lines at Canning Town and Stratford Mainline during
these works?


To be honest, I haven't been paying much attention to the DLR of
late, just realised that Stratford Market will now be called
Stratford High Street. This is a shame. Apart from the fact that
Stratford High Street is really anything but - the shops (which is
what a "High Street" brings to mind) are all up on the Broadway - I
liked the fact that the name of Stratford Market was being
resuscitated. But there again, Stratford Market is not a market any
more so my argument is well flawed. But it would have been nice to
bring the name back.

Perhaps even better would have been to rename it Stratford Bridge,
which was the name of Stratford Market station from 1847 to 1889. And
there is still a bridge there.

Anyone know whether the DLR station will keep the look and feel of
the old Stratford Market building? Or is it going to be refurbished
into hideous perspex like the rest of them?

As for the decision to change Cody Road to Star Lane, I guess this
makes more sense, but Cody Road is quite some way from Star Lane
isn't it? I know I pick up my couriered parcels from Cody Road which
is the Western side of the Silverlink track, and Star Lane is of
course East of the track (quite a bit East). So has the location of
the station changed at all in the rename?


The decision to change the name was taken because it was felt that the
catchment on the eastern side of the station was more important (at
least initially), and that Star Lane was a more recognised place
locally.

The location of the station hasn't changed at all - it is situated at
the footbridge over the railway which links Cody Road/Stephenson Road
to Star Lane/Manor Road. They essentially face each other across the
tracks (although the road vehicle route between the two involves a
lengthy detour at least five times longer than the distance between
them!).



Thanks - yes, I agree, Star Lane is a far better choice of name.

Not convinced about Stratford High Street (see my reasons).

umpston January 17th 07 05:48 PM

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Tristán White wrote:
Dave A wrote in
:

Tristán White wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote in
.li:

Work to start on DLR from Canning Town to Stratford International



Anyone know whether there is likely to be any downtime on the
existing DLR lines at Canning Town and Stratford Mainline during
these works?


To be honest, I haven't been paying much attention to the DLR of
late, just realised that Stratford Market will now be called
Stratford High Street. This is a shame. Apart from the fact that
Stratford High Street is really anything but - the shops (which is
what a "High Street" brings to mind) are all up on the Broadway - I
liked the fact that the name of Stratford Market was being
resuscitated. But there again, Stratford Market is not a market any
more so my argument is well flawed. But it would have been nice to
bring the name back.

Perhaps even better would have been to rename it Stratford Bridge,
which was the name of Stratford Market station from 1847 to 1889. And
there is still a bridge there.

Anyone know whether the DLR station will keep the look and feel of
the old Stratford Market building? Or is it going to be refurbished
into hideous perspex like the rest of them?

As for the decision to change Cody Road to Star Lane, I guess this
makes more sense, but Cody Road is quite some way from Star Lane
isn't it? I know I pick up my couriered parcels from Cody Road which
is the Western side of the Silverlink track, and Star Lane is of
course East of the track (quite a bit East). So has the location of
the station changed at all in the rename?


The decision to change the name was taken because it was felt that the
catchment on the eastern side of the station was more important (at
least initially), and that Star Lane was a more recognised place
locally.

The location of the station hasn't changed at all - it is situated at
the footbridge over the railway which links Cody Road/Stephenson Road
to Star Lane/Manor Road. They essentially face each other across the
tracks (although the road vehicle route between the two involves a
lengthy detour at least five times longer than the distance between
them!).



Thanks - yes, I agree, Star Lane is a far better choice of name.

Not convinced about Stratford High Street (see my reasons).


Just to add that I doubt the old Stratford Market Station building will
be part of the new Stratford High Street station since the platforms
are slightly to the south of the old station and the entrances (via a
new footbridge) will be on Bridge Road and Burford Road. Don't know if
hideous perspex is still in fashion with the DLR station architects.


Charlie Pearce January 17th 07 09:46 PM

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On 14 Jan 2007 14:13:10 -0800, "Mizter T" wrote:

wrote:

"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

http://www.nceplus.co.uk/news/news_a...il_engineering


So does that mean that the Jubilee and the DLR will both got to Stratford?


They both do already, though in the future the DLR will go to Stratford
twice.


I don't call that much of a service!

Charlie
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John Rowland January 19th 07 12:17 PM

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Tom Anderson wrote:

and can trains from the [east] head south at Poplar?
Looking on the goggly maps, the shadow of
the HSBC building makes it hard to say


http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...&scene=4268612

Such a service used to operate for much of the week. I can't remember
exactly, but I think it was between Tower Gateway and Beckton via a reversal
at Canary Wharf.



Tom Anderson January 19th 07 01:16 PM

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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, John Rowland wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

and can trains from the [east] head south at Poplar?
Looking on the goggly maps, the shadow of
the HSBC building makes it hard to say


http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...&scene=4268612


Hang on, those crossovers don't do anything to help trains on the outer
pair (from the east) get onto the central pair (to the south). Unless the
northern one is a scissors (there being an outer-to-inner crossover on the
up pair to the east) - i can't tell.

Such a service used to operate for much of the week. I can't remember
exactly, but I think it was between Tower Gateway and Beckton via a
reversal at Canary Wharf.


Suppose it must be, then!

tom

--
Fitter, Happier, More Productive.

[email protected] January 19th 07 01:51 PM

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Tom Anderson wrote:
Hang on, those crossovers don't do anything to help trains on the outer
pair (from the east) get onto the central pair (to the south). Unless the
northern one is a scissors (there being an outer-to-inner crossover on the
up pair to the east) - i can't tell.


According to this:

http://www.chesapeake.net/~cambronj/...light-rail.jpg

There are crossover allowing trains to/from the east to reach the inner
two platforms at Poplar, which lead to/from Canary Wharf. Try scrolling
the aerial photo east a bit.

U


Tom Anderson January 19th 07 05:07 PM

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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

Hang on, those crossovers don't do anything to help trains on the outer
pair (from the east) get onto the central pair (to the south). Unless the
northern one is a scissors (there being an outer-to-inner crossover on the
up pair to the east) - i can't tell.


According to this:

http://www.chesapeake.net/~cambronj/...light-rail.jpg

Good map!

There are crossover allowing trains to/from the east to reach the inner
two platforms at Poplar, which lead to/from Canary Wharf. Try scrolling
the aerial photo east a bit.


No, as i surmised, the northern one is a scissors, and there's an
outer-to-inner further east.

tom

--
One of the principal objects of theoretical research in my department
of knowledge is to find the point of view from which the subject appears
in its greatest simplicity. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs

John Rowland January 21st 07 07:36 AM

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Dave A wrote:
wrote:
Seeing that TfL is due to take over the North London (When is that
due to happen?), have they ever thought about further extending the
DLR further west?

Methinks that it would be a boon for Hackney, which suffers from a
lack of any tube stations.

I can imagine the DLR going out to Highbury & Islington, as it would
allow connections to the Victoria Line as well as to the ELL at
Dalston Kingsland. And NLL would terminate at Highbury & Islington.


The NLL here is also used by freight, and once again conversion to DLR
would preclude this.


I believe the formation is wide enough for 4 tracks from Waterden Road to
Kentish Town Road, with the exception of the bit north of Dalston Junction
station. If true, there should be room for two DLR tracks from Stratford to
Dalston Junction, two freight tracks from Stratford to Camden, and two
passenger line from Camden to Dalston Junction and onto the East London
Line.



January 21st 07 10:31 AM

Work to start on DLR from Canning Town to Stratford International
 
BTW, does the North London Line still come into its original platform when
arriving at Stratford? Or does it now loop around and terminate on the upper
level?

"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
Dave A wrote:
wrote:
Seeing that TfL is due to take over the North London (When is that
due to happen?), have they ever thought about further extending the
DLR further west?

Methinks that it would be a boon for Hackney, which suffers from a
lack of any tube stations.

I can imagine the DLR going out to Highbury & Islington, as it would
allow connections to the Victoria Line as well as to the ELL at
Dalston Kingsland. And NLL would terminate at Highbury & Islington.


The NLL here is also used by freight, and once again conversion to DLR
would preclude this.


I believe the formation is wide enough for 4 tracks from Waterden Road to
Kentish Town Road, with the exception of the bit north of Dalston Junction
station. If true, there should be room for two DLR tracks from Stratford
to Dalston Junction, two freight tracks from Stratford to Camden, and two
passenger line from Camden to Dalston Junction and onto the East London
Line.





Al Holmes January 21st 07 11:18 AM

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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:31:11 GMT, wrote:

BTW, does the North London Line still come into its original platform when
arriving at Stratford? Or does it now loop around and terminate on the upper
level?

Most trains are still using the low level platforms until January
2009, although a few peak hour trains are scheduled to use high-level
platforms (probably platform 11) - these are marked in the timetable.

From January 2009 they will all use new platforms, which will be
constructed behind the current platform 12.

Al Holmes

Mizter T January 21st 07 01:37 PM

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Al Holmes wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:31:11 GMT, wrote:

BTW, does the North London Line still come into its original platform when
arriving at Stratford? Or does it now loop around and terminate on the upper
level?

Most trains are still using the low level platforms until January
2009, although a few peak hour trains are scheduled to use high-level
platforms (probably platform 11) - these are marked in the timetable.

From January 2009 they will all use new platforms, which will be
constructed behind the current platform 12.

Al Holmes


That's interesting that a few peak hour NLL trains now scheduled to
depart from Stratford's high-level platforms. Before the last timetable
change, and hence before the route from Stratford to North Woolwich
closed, these extra rush-hour trains departed from the low level
platforms.



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