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How does Oyster work when you need to touch in and touch out on more than
one occasion to complete a journey. E.G A jorney from Harow on the Hill to Oxford Circus Touch in at Harrow on the Hill. Use Chiltern line to get to Marylebone. At Marlebone, touch out to exit Chiltern Rail. Touch in to enter Bakerloo line. Touch out at Oxford Circus. This would register as 2 journeys and cost £7. This does not make sense! |
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"Raymond Kirk" wrote in message ... How does Oyster work when you need to touch in and touch out on more than one occasion to complete a journey. E.G A jorney from Harow on the Hill to Oxford Circus Touch in at Harrow on the Hill. Use Chiltern line to get to Marylebone. At Marlebone, touch out to exit Chiltern Rail. Touch in to enter Bakerloo line. Touch out at Oxford Circus. This would register as 2 journeys and cost £7. This does not make sense! If you touch in and out exactly as you describe, you will only be charged for one journey. |
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"Raymond Kirk" wrote in
: How does Oyster work when you need to touch in and touch out on more than one occasion to complete a journey. E.G A jorney from Harow on the Hill to Oxford Circus Touch in at Harrow on the Hill. Use Chiltern line to get to Marylebone. At Marlebone, touch out to exit Chiltern Rail. Touch in to enter Bakerloo line. Touch out at Oxford Circus. This would register as 2 journeys and cost £7. This does not make sense! When you pass through the Chiltern barrier line at Marylebone Oyster will deduct £3.50. If you enter the Bakerloo line within a set period (I think 15 minutes) Oyster treats it as the same journey. Confusingly it will display a charge of £3.50 on exit but that's the £3.50 already paid. I my experience Oyster is very good at getting this sort of thing right. Now, a question for the experts. What happens on the return journey when, if you just miss an Aylesbury train on a Sunday, for example, the interchange time at Marylebone could easily be 50+ minutes. Presumably Oyster would could that as two journeys, as well as the obvious alterative (walk to Baker Street and catch a Met from there)? David |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:58:21 -0000, "Raymond Kirk"
wrote: How does Oyster work when you need to touch in and touch out on more than one occasion to complete a journey. E.G A jorney from Harow on the Hill to Oxford Circus Touch in at Harrow on the Hill. Use Chiltern line to get to Marylebone. At Marlebone, touch out to exit Chiltern Rail. Touch in to enter Bakerloo line. Touch out at Oxford Circus. This would register as 2 journeys and cost £7. This does not make sense! It would not register as two journeys provided the interchange at Marylebone is done as if it was one through journey i.e. you don't wander off for a couple of hours exploring the Marylebone area. The gates are set to recognise such interchange traffic and as LU fares apply both sides of the gateline then it will be treated as a through trip at one fare. As others have said you may see some strange values on gateline displays as you interchange due to values being deducted and added back on but on final exit the normal HoH to Oxo fares should be the one that is charged. It is also worth noting that there is a 2 hour maximum journey time for PAYG trips and that should be easily achievable on the trip you mention. Does your query stem from a real life experience or from pondering how the system works? -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:58:21 -0000, "Raymond Kirk" wrote: How does Oyster work when you need to touch in and touch out on more than one occasion to complete a journey. E.G A jorney from Harow on the Hill to Oxford Circus Touch in at Harrow on the Hill. Use Chiltern line to get to Marylebone. At Marlebone, touch out to exit Chiltern Rail. Touch in to enter Bakerloo line. Touch out at Oxford Circus. This would register as 2 journeys and cost £7. This does not make sense! It would not register as two journeys provided the interchange at Marylebone is done as if it was one through journey i.e. you don't wander off for a couple of hours exploring the Marylebone area. The gates are set to recognise such interchange traffic and as LU fares apply both sides of the gateline then it will be treated as a through trip at one fare. As others have said you may see some strange values on gateline displays as you interchange due to values being deducted and added back on but on final exit the normal HoH to Oxo fares should be the one that is charged. It is also worth noting that there is a 2 hour maximum journey time for PAYG trips and that should be easily achievable on the trip you mention. Does your query stem from a real life experience or from pondering how the system works? -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! Just wondering how the system works! |
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Paul Corfield typed: It would not register as two journeys provided the interchange at Marylebone is done as if it was one through journey i.e. you don't wander off for a couple of hours exploring the Marylebone area. On the contrary - it *would* register as two journeys, but the first of them would be priced at £0.00. -- Bob |
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(Paul Cummins) wrote in
: In article . 145, (David Jackman) wrote: Now, a question for the experts. What happens on the return journey when, if you just miss an Aylesbury train on a Sunday, for example, the interchange time at Marylebone could easily be 50+ minutes. Presumably Oyster would could that as two journeys, as well as the obvious alterative (walk to Baker Street and catch a Met from there)? Surely it would cap...? Not on a Weekend; the Oyster single is a bargain £2.00 but the Off peak one day travelcard £6.70 (i.e. £6.20 cap). |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:10 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Paul Cummins
wrote: Off peak one day travelcard £6.70 (i.e. £6.20 cap). Ye Ghods - when did that happen? Last time I bought a ODTC it was £4.70. It goes up much faster than inflation. In 2005 it went up more than 11% (£5.40 to £6.00). |
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(Paul Cummins)typed
In article . 145, (David Jackman) wrote: Off peak one day travelcard £6.70 (i.e. £6.20 cap). Ye Ghods - when did that happen? Last time I bought a ODTC it was £4.70. 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 at a guess... (A Zone 1-6 Off-Peak ODTC was £5.40 in 2004; I don't have previous fare leaflets.) -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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On 28 Jan, 10:58, Paul Corfield wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:58:21 -0000, "Raymond Kirk" wrote: How does Oyster work when you need to touch in and touch out on more than one occasion to complete a journey. E.G A jorney from Harow on the Hill to Oxford Circus Touch in at Harrow on the Hill. Use Chiltern line to get to Marylebone. At Marlebone, touch out to exit Chiltern Rail. Touch in to enter Bakerloo line. Touch out at Oxford Circus. This would register as 2 journeys and cost £7. This does not make sense!It would not register as two journeys provided the interchange at Marylebone is done as if it was one through journey i.e. you don't wander off for a couple of hours exploring the Marylebone area. The gates are set to recognise such interchange traffic and as LU fares apply both sides of the gateline then it will be treated as a through trip at one fare. As others have said you may see some strange values on gateline displays as you interchange due to values being deducted and added back on but on final exit the normal HoH to Oxo fares should be the one that is charged. It is also worth noting that there is a 2 hour maximum journey time for PAYG trips and that should be easily achievable on the trip you mention. Does your query stem from a real life experience or from pondering how the system works? -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! What happens if you travel from Chorleywood to Richmond via Marylebone - off-peak Chorleywood to Richmond on Oyster PAYG is £2 as I imagine the fare has been set to reflect changing at Harrow-on-the-Hill / Rayners Lane / Acton Town / Turnham Green but you could conceivably expect to travel via Zone 1, either Marylebone / Piccadilly Circus / Hammersmith or using the Metropolitan to Finchley Road / Westminster. If you touch in at Marylebone en route, is an adjustment made to reduce the fare into London, i.e. you would still pay £2 or do you end up paying £3 or £5 in total? This is a question pondering what might happen if I make this journey - the time of the journey is not too different - about 1hr 20 - 1hr 30 by either route depending on connections. Am I explicitly not able to go via Zone 1 (and pay one fare) on this journey? Jonathan |
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Bob Wood wrote:
In , Paul Corfield typed: It would not register as two journeys provided the interchange at Marylebone is done as if it was one through journey i.e. you don't wander off for a couple of hours exploring the Marylebone area. On the contrary - it *would* register as two journeys, but the first of them would be priced at £0.00. So the two-hour clock would start over again at Marylebone? -- David of Broadway New York, NY, USA |
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(Helen Deborah Vecht) wrote: (Paul Cummins)typed In article . 145, (David Jackman) wrote: Off peak one day travelcard £6.70 (i.e. £6.20 cap). Ye Ghods - when did that happen? Last time I bought a ODTC it was £4.70. 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 at a guess... (A Zone 1-6 Off-Peak ODTC was £5.40 in 2004; I don't have previous fare leaflets.) That's nothing. A Day Travelcard with a Network Card discount was 60p more than a Cheap Day Return from Cambridge to London in 2001. It is now £3.30. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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David of Broadway typed: Bob Wood wrote: In , Paul Corfield typed: It would not register as two journeys provided the interchange at Marylebone is done as if it was one through journey i.e. you don't wander off for a couple of hours exploring the Marylebone area. On the contrary - it *would* register as two journeys, but the first of them would be priced at £0.00. So the two-hour clock would start over again at Marylebone? I wouldn't have thought so. Effectively the two 'part journeys' become one journey and the whole of that journey would have to be completed within the 2 hours, I would have thought. If the journey was a long one and unavoidably stretched over the two hour mark, I am sure that each part of the journey would be treated as a separate journey and contact with the Oyster helpline would be necessary to rectify the matter. -- Bob |
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asdf wrote:
On 28 Jan 2007 14:22:39 -0800, wrote: What happens if you travel from Chorleywood to Richmond via Marylebone - off-peak Chorleywood to Richmond on Oyster PAYG is £2 as I imagine the fare has been set to reflect changing at Harrow-on-the-Hill / Rayners Lane / Acton Town / Turnham Green Yes, according to the TfL Fare Finder (assuming by off-peak you mean before 7am or after 7pm on weekdays or all weekend). but you could conceivably expect to travel via Zone 1, either Marylebone / Piccadilly Circus / Hammersmith or using the Metropolitan to Finchley Road / Westminster. If you avoid touching anywhere en route (e.g. taking the latter route), you'll still be charged £2, and AFAICS doing so is perfectly legal and valid. If you touch in at Marylebone en route, is an adjustment made to reduce the fare into London, i.e. you would still pay £2 or do you end up paying £3 or £5 in total? I don't think we're going to know the answer to this until someone actually tries it. If you do, could you please report back to the group? I have not tested that particular route but a couple of months ago I tested serveral different ways of getting from Tottenham Hale to Canary Wharf with Oyster PAYG but found none of them charged as via Z1. My usual route, 'one' to Stratford and then DLR is of course not via Z1. Then, when tested to touch in to the tube system at T. Hale and used Victoria Line - Jubilee Line it still was not charged as via Z1 although there is virtually no way of getting by tube between those without going through Z1. Next test was to just for fun taking 'one' to Liverpool Street, Circle Line from there and then DLR from Tower Hill it was still not charged as via Z1, although I had in this case of course actually touched several validators within Z1... No problem with this route but I suspect it is not quite as popular for the opposit, journeys always charged as via Z1 regardless of the actual route taken, where Oyster makes it impossible to get a lower fare by using a slightly longer route but avoiding Z1. That said, I don't know if this applies to other parts of the system. Might be something special for this route. I have a couple of more tests I would like to do some time but haven't been to London for a long while now... But it looks like more contract work is coming up so as I say, I will be back and will report when I find out of more interesting things with Oyster. :-) -- Olof Lagerkvist ICQ: 724451 Web: http://here.is/olof |
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:17:06 GMT, Olof Lagerkvist wrote:
If you touch in at Marylebone en route, is an adjustment made to reduce the fare into London, i.e. you would still pay £2 or do you end up paying £3 or £5 in total? I have not tested that particular route but a couple of months ago I tested serveral different ways of getting from Tottenham Hale to Canary Wharf with Oyster PAYG but found none of them charged as via Z1. My usual route, 'one' to Stratford and then DLR is of course not via Z1. Then, when tested to touch in to the tube system at T. Hale and used Victoria Line - Jubilee Line it still was not charged as via Z1 although there is virtually no way of getting by tube between those without going through Z1. Next test was to just for fun taking 'one' to Liverpool Street, Circle Line from there and then DLR from Tower Hill it was still not charged as via Z1, although I had in this case of course actually touched several validators within Z1... Thank you - I think this all but answers the question. |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:56:53 GMT, "Bob Wood"
wrote: In , Paul Corfield typed: It would not register as two journeys provided the interchange at Marylebone is done as if it was one through journey i.e. you don't wander off for a couple of hours exploring the Marylebone area. On the contrary - it *would* register as two journeys, but the first of them would be priced at £0.00. There are two legs but one priced journey which is the price between origin and final destination. AIUI the gates at exit look back through the journey history to check what has gone on before - this is especially important when dealing with an out of station interchange like Marylebone. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:06:15 +0000, asdf
wrote: On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:17:06 GMT, Olof Lagerkvist wrote: If you touch in at Marylebone en route, is an adjustment made to reduce the fare into London, i.e. you would still pay £2 or do you end up paying £3 or £5 in total? I have not tested that particular route but a couple of months ago I tested serveral different ways of getting from Tottenham Hale to Canary Wharf with Oyster PAYG but found none of them charged as via Z1. My usual route, 'one' to Stratford and then DLR is of course not via Z1. Then, when tested to touch in to the tube system at T. Hale and used Victoria Line - Jubilee Line it still was not charged as via Z1 although there is virtually no way of getting by tube between those without going through Z1. Next test was to just for fun taking 'one' to Liverpool Street, Circle Line from there and then DLR from Tower Hill it was still not charged as via Z1, although I had in this case of course actually touched several validators within Z1... Thank you - I think this all but answers the question. I would say it certainly does. The reason for this being that the LU system can only recognise one fare (for LU only or LU interavailable travel) between origin and destination. That's why there is only one route that is assumed when setting LU fares - either via Z1 or not. Olof's experience illustrates that. Different rules apply for NR only or LU / NR fares where there may be different NLCs for the same place (Richmond has three IIRC) and different route options to each NLC. NLC - National Location Code as used in NR ticketing. LU has its own series. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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