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Which station is easier to change at Bank or Bond Street? Bank - DLR to
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Once upon a time -- around about 1/28/07 12:42 --
possibly wrote: Which station is easier to change at Bank or Bond Street? Bank - DLR to Central and Bond Street - Jubilee to Central? Bond if you ask me. I hate to change at Bank for any reason. -- "I don't know what weapons will be used to fight World War III, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein |
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"Rev. CMOT TMPV" wrote in message t... Once upon a time -- around about 1/28/07 12:42 -- possibly wrote: Which station is easier to change at Bank or Bond Street? Bank - DLR to Central and Bond Street - Jubilee to Central? Bond if you ask me. I hate to change at Bank for any reason. -- "I don't know what weapons will be used to fight World War III, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein Ok thanks for your quick response. Anyone else got any opnions? |
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"Dave A" wrote in message ... wrote: "Rev. CMOT TMPV" wrote in message t... Once upon a time -- around about 1/28/07 12:42 -- possibly wrote: Which station is easier to change at Bank or Bond Street? Bank - DLR to Central and Bond Street - Jubilee to Central? Bond if you ask me. I hate to change at Bank for any reason. -- "I don't know what weapons will be used to fight World War III, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein Ok thanks for your quick response. Anyone else got any opnions? It sounds like you are heading from Docklands-ish to West London-ish - I would opt for Bond Street unless I particularly fancied sight-seeing by DLR. Neither interchange is wonderful but Bond Street is the lesser of two evils - easier to find your way around and probably a bit quicker. -- Dave Arquati www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London Thanks Dave. Again a quick response. |
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"Rev. CMOT TMPV" wrote in message t... Once upon a time -- around about 1/28/07 12:42 -- possibly wrote: Which station is easier to change at Bank or Bond Street? Bank - DLR to Central and Bond Street - Jubilee to Central? Bond if you ask me. I hate to change at Bank for any reason. -- "I don't know what weapons will be used to fight World War III, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein Ok thanks for your quick response. Anyone else got any opnions? Bond Street. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message ... typed "Rev. CMOT TMPV" wrote in message t... Once upon a time -- around about 1/28/07 12:42 -- possibly wrote: Which station is easier to change at Bank or Bond Street? Bank - DLR to Central and Bond Street - Jubilee to Central? Bond if you ask me. I hate to change at Bank for any reason. -- "I don't know what weapons will be used to fight World War III, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein Ok thanks for your quick response. Anyone else got any opnions? Bond Street. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. 3 for Bond Street anyone for Bank? |
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3 for Bond Street anyone for Bank? Only if they shell out LOADSA MONEY!!!! -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message ... typed "Rev. CMOT TMPV" wrote in message .net... Once upon a time -- around about 1/28/07 12:42 -- possibly wrote: Which station is easier to change at Bank or Bond Street? Bank - DLR to Central and Bond Street - Jubilee to Central? Bond if you ask me. I hate to change at Bank for any reason. -- "I don't know what weapons will be used to fight World War III, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein Ok thanks for your quick response. Anyone else got any opnions? 3 for Bond Street anyone for Bank? I suggest Bond Street too. Don't think anyone would suggest Bank in this case. There is a diagram of the Bank/Monument station complex he http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.b...aps/ltmonu.jpg The diagram gives an indication about which of the changes are worst within the complex. Not related to this thread but looking at that diagram the escalators and walkways between Northern Line or DLR up to the Monument station look surprisingly short in proportion to other parts of the diagram IMO. It might be that it is not easy to get the proportions look right on such a diagram... (or it might be that my feeling of my Circle-DLR interchange experience is worse than the change actually is...) -- Olof Lagerkvist ICQ: 724451 Web: http://here.is/olof |
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On Jan 28, 7:20 pm, Olof Lagerkvist wrote: wrote: "Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message ... typed "Rev. CMOT TMPV" wrote in message .net... Once upon a time -- around about 1/28/07 12:42 -- possibly wrote: Which station is easier to change at Bank or Bond Street? Bank - DLR to Central and Bond Street - Jubilee to Central? Bond if you ask me. I hate to change at Bank for any reason. -- "I don't know what weapons will be used to fight World War III, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein Ok thanks for your quick response. Anyone else got any opnions? 3 for Bond Street anyone for Bank?I suggest Bond Street too. Don't think anyone would suggest Bank in this case. There is a diagram of the Bank/Monument station complex hehttp://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.b...aps/ltmonu.jpg The diagram gives an indication about which of the changes are worst within the complex. Not related to this thread but looking at that diagram the escalators and walkways between Northern Line or DLR up to the Monument station look surprisingly short in proportion to other parts of the diagram IMO. It might be that it is not easy to get the proportions look right on such a diagram... (or it might be that my feeling of my Circle-DLR interchange experience is worse than the change actually is...) Neither interchange is very easy, but the important thing about Bank is that you have to know the way and ignore all signs. This is obviously not easy if you are not familiar with it. The way to get from the DLR to the Central is to head up the first big escalator as directed (towards the front of the arriving DLR), but to ignore the second escalator and turn right as if to the Northern Line, after which you will find the direct passageway from the Northern to the Central which, unlike following the original signs, doesn't take you over the Central and down again. Going this way, I think it's probably no worse than or slightly easier than Bond Street. |
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Bond Street isn't that bad at all, I think. Bank sure is.
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:20:50 GMT, Olof Lagerkvist
wrote: Not related to this thread but looking at that diagram the escalators and walkways between Northern Line or DLR up to the Monument station look surprisingly short in proportion to other parts of the diagram IMO. The Northern line platforms (one end of them, anyway!) are really quite close (in two dimensions) to the D&C platforms. When I commuted from Streatham Common to Stepney Green I changed at Balham and Bank/Monument. |
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On Jan 28, 7:20 pm, Olof Lagerkvist wrote: I suggest Bond Street too. Don't think anyone would suggest Bank in this case. There is a diagram of the Bank/Monument station complex he http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.b...aps/ltmonu.jpg The diagram gives an indication about which of the changes are worst within the complex. Not related to this thread but looking at that diagram the escalators and walkways between Northern Line or DLR up to the Monument station look surprisingly short in proportion to other parts of the diagram IMO. It might be that it is not easy to get the proportions look right on such a diagram... (or it might be that my feeling of my Circle-DLR interchange experience is worse than the change actually is...) Neither interchange is very easy, but the important thing about Bank is that you have to know the way and ignore all signs. This is obviously not easy if you are not familiar with it. The way to get from the DLR to the Central is to head up the first big escalator as directed (towards the front of the arriving DLR), but to ignore the second escalator and turn right as if to the Northern Line, after which you will find the direct passageway from the Northern to the Central which, unlike following the original signs, doesn't take you over the Central and down again. Is that the route up the spiral staircase between the Northern and Central lines? If so, it's unfortunately not shown on the illustration. So it seems that at both Green Park and at Bank not following the signed instructions is the way to go! There's obviously a number of routes between lines at interchanges, but I'm just trying to think if any of them are as essential as these two for the savvy subterranean traveller. (In general I reckon it's a bit out of order to go the wrong way down a one way tunnel, but that said when you're in a rush to get the last train I think one can be forgiven for abandoning such niceties). |
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On Jan 29, 12:36 am, "Mizter T" wrote: MIG wrote: On Jan 28, 7:20 pm, Olof Lagerkvist wrote: I suggest Bond Street too. Don't think anyone would suggest Bank in this case. There is a diagram of the Bank/Monument station complex he http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.b...aps/ltmonu.jpg The diagram gives an indication about which of the changes are worst within the complex. Not related to this thread but looking at that diagram the escalators and walkways between Northern Line or DLR up to the Monument station look surprisingly short in proportion to other parts of the diagram IMO. It might be that it is not easy to get the proportions look right on such a diagram... (or it might be that my feeling of my Circle-DLR interchange experience is worse than the change actually is...) Neither interchange is very easy, but the important thing about Bank is that you have to know the way and ignore all signs. This is obviously not easy if you are not familiar with it. The way to get from the DLR to the Central is to head up the first big escalator as directed (towards the front of the arriving DLR), but to ignore the second escalator and turn right as if to the Northern Line, after which you will find the direct passageway from the Northern to the Central which, unlike following the original signs, doesn't take you over the Central and down again.Is that the route up the spiral staircase between the Northern and Central lines? If so, it's unfortunately not shown on the illustration. So it seems that at both Green Park and at Bank not following the signed instructions is the way to go! There's obviously a number of routes between lines at interchanges, but I'm just trying to think if any of them are as essential as these two for the savvy subterranean traveller. (In general I reckon it's a bit out of order to go the wrong way down a one way tunnel, but that said when you're in a rush to get the last train I think one can be forgiven for abandoning such niceties). Yes, it would be the spiral staircase. I should mention that my suggested route doesn't involve going the wrong way down any passages; just following a sign to a different line from the one you are trying to reach. The situation is even worse if you are going the other way. To get to the DLR from the Central, bearing in mind that the DLR is two levels below, you are directed to start by climbing upstairs to get over one of the Central platforms. I know they want to separate people out, but I think it's asking a bit much to make people do that. I would always head downwards towards the Northern and then cut across. It's never particularly crowded. |
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On 28 Jan 2007 16:36:41 -0800, Mizter T wrote:
So it seems that at both Green Park and at Bank not following the signed instructions is the way to go! There's obviously a number of routes between lines at interchanges, but I'm just trying to think if any of them are as essential as these two for the savvy subterranean traveller. (In general I reckon it's a bit out of order to go the wrong way down a one way tunnel, but that said when you're in a rush to get the last train I think one can be forgiven for abandoning such niceties). Notting Hill Gate, Central to District/Circle: even off-peak, the switchable signs often send you up the escalator to the ticket hall, then down the stairs from there. Instead of turning right up the escalator, it's quicker to go straight ahead and take the direct passage to the D/C platforms. |
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Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:27:41 in uk.transport.london, MIG writes [snip] The way to get from the DLR to the Central is to head up the first big escalator as directed (towards the front of the arriving DLR), but to ignore the second escalator and turn right as if to the Northern Line, after which you will find the direct passageway from the Northern to the Central which, unlike following the original signs, doesn't take you over the Central and down again.Is that the route up the spiral staircase between the Northern and Central lines? If so, it's unfortunately not shown on the illustration. So it seems that at both Green Park and at Bank not following the signed instructions is the way to go! There's obviously a number of routes between lines at interchanges, but I'm just trying to think if any of them are as essential as these two for the savvy subterranean traveller. (In general I reckon it's a bit out of order to go the wrong way down a one way tunnel, but that said when you're in a rush to get the last train I think one can be forgiven for abandoning such niceties). Yes, it would be the spiral staircase. I should mention that my suggested route doesn't involve going the wrong way down any passages; just following a sign to a different line from the one you are trying to reach. The situation is even worse if you are going the other way. To get to the DLR from the Central, bearing in mind that the DLR is two levels below, you are directed to start by climbing upstairs to get over one of the Central platforms. I know they want to separate people out, but I think it's asking a bit much to make people do that. I would always head downwards towards the Northern and then cut across. It's never particularly crowded. Have you tried feedback to LU/TFL on the extended route? I feedback to them regularly with a little success. A couple of weeks ago, I reported a step free route at Kings Cross between the Circle, Hammersmith & City, and Metropolitan platforms - all 2 of them - and the street which is not shown on the Circle and H&C line diagrams. I omitted to check the Metropolitan line diagrams. Curiously, I later found it IS shown on the latest network diagrams. Customer Services said they passed my email to their Accessibility and Inclusion Manager from whom I have yet to hear. It is odd that paper change should lag behind reality. -- Walter Briscoe |
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On 29 Jan, 09:27, Walter Briscoe wrote: In message .com of Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:27:41 in uk.transport.london, MIG writes [snip] The way to get from the DLR to the Central is to head up the first big escalator as directed (towards the front of the arriving DLR), but to ignore the second escalator and turn right as if to the Northern Line, after which you will find the direct passageway from the Northern to the Central which, unlike following the original signs, doesn't take you over the Central and down again.Is that the route up the spiral staircase between the Northern and Central lines? If so, it's unfortunately not shown on the illustration. So it seems that at both Green Park and at Bank not following the signed instructions is the way to go! There's obviously a number of routes between lines at interchanges, but I'm just trying to think if any of them are as essential as these two for the savvy subterranean traveller. (In general I reckon it's a bit out of order to go the wrong way down a one way tunnel, but that said when you're in a rush to get the last train I think one can be forgiven for abandoning such niceties). Yes, it would be the spiral staircase. I should mention that my suggested route doesn't involve going the wrong way down any passages; just following a sign to a different line from the one you are trying to reach. The situation is even worse if you are going the other way. To get to the DLR from the Central, bearing in mind that the DLR is two levels below, you are directed to start by climbing upstairs to get over one of the Central platforms. I know they want to separate people out, but I think it's asking a bit much to make people do that. I would always head downwards towards the Northern and then cut across. It's never particularly crowded. Have you tried feedback to LU/TFL on the extended route? I guess that given the somewhat cramped nature of the spiral staircase route LU prefers to direct people along a more spacious route instead. I think that's fair enough. |
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So it seems that at both Green Park and at Bank not following the signed instructions is the way to go! There's obviously a number of routes between lines at interchanges, but I'm just trying to think if any of them are as essential as these two for the savvy subterranean traveller. (In general I reckon it's a bit out of order to go the wrong way down a one way tunnel, but that said when you're in a rush to get the last train I think one can be forgiven for abandoning such niceties). Yep, I go both ways home depending on how I'm feeling and what's working or not. The secret to the Bank interchange is indeed to follow the Northern line route and then dive off. At Bond Street you need to find the passageway on the right hand side of the Central Line escalators as you go down. It's not currently signed as an *entrance* to the Central line and at the platform is not signed as an exit either (except for emergency purposes). So practically nobody uses this passageway and you can get ahead of quite a few fellow commuters. Sneaky huh? Mark. |
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On Jan 29, 1:22 pm, "Mizter T" wrote: On 29 Jan, 09:27, Walter Briscoe wrote: In message .com of Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:27:41 in uk.transport.london, MIG writes [snip] The way to get from the DLR to the Central is to head up the first big escalator as directed (towards the front of the arriving DLR), but to ignore the second escalator and turn right as if to the Northern Line, after which you will find the direct passageway from the Northern to the Central which, unlike following the original signs, doesn't take you over the Central and down again.Is that the route up the spiral staircase between the Northern and Central lines? If so, it's unfortunately not shown on the illustration. So it seems that at both Green Park and at Bank not following the signed instructions is the way to go! There's obviously a number of routes between lines at interchanges, but I'm just trying to think if any of them are as essential as these two for the savvy subterranean traveller. (In general I reckon it's a bit out of order to go the wrong way down a one way tunnel, but that said when you're in a rush to get the last train I think one can be forgiven for abandoning such niceties). Yes, it would be the spiral staircase. I should mention that my suggested route doesn't involve going the wrong way down any passages; just following a sign to a different line from the one you are trying to reach. The situation is even worse if you are going the other way. To get to the DLR from the Central, bearing in mind that the DLR is two levels below, you are directed to start by climbing upstairs to get over one of the Central platforms. I know they want to separate people out, but I think it's asking a bit much to make people do that. I would always head downwards towards the Northern and then cut across. It's never particularly crowded. Have you tried feedback to LU/TFL on the extended route?I guess that given the somewhat cramped nature of the spiral staircase route LU prefers to direct people along a more spacious route instead. I think that's fair enough. I think the problem is that they have to provide an alternative route, so that they can thereby claim to have increased the capacity for the passageways with the building of the DLR. The fact that no one would use the new route it if they knew how far it took them out of their way doesn't seem to figure. They've created a route, albeit a ludicrous one, and therefore fulfilled the requirement. I can't be quite sure how the whole thing works in 3D, but I can't see why they didn't build a staircase down from the Central instead of up, and then a passageway parallel with the one to the Northern along the same horizontal route as the current top escalator, leading towards the existing bottom escalator to the DLR, which is fine. The long top escalator avoids no stairs. It just goes twice as far vertically as it needs to, creating the need for another staircase in the opposite direction, the same height as the one that could have been in place of the whole thing. |
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