Pudding Mill Lane
 

I made use of Pudding Mill Lane DLR station for the first time on
Saturday - an interesting experience. Surprisingly, it's not DLR's
least-used station (that accolade goes to Beckton Park for reasons that
I haven't yet worked out), with a very respectable annual usage figure
of about 325,000 passengers.

I was attempting to get from Victoria Park to Pudding Mill Lane (without
a map, which made life difficult!). I got onto Fish Island easily
enough, and spent a while wandering around trying to get on to the
Greenway which wasn't obviously signposted from the East Cross Route
foot/cyclebridge.

Getting from the Greenway to Pudding Mill Lane was an even more
difficult experience - the Greenway drops you off on Marshgate Lane (on
top of a load of old tyres) by the Great Eastern railway bridge. You can
see Pudding Mill Lane from there easily, but it looks impossible to
cross the short distance between Marshgate Lane and Pudding Mill Lane -
you either need to walk all the way round via the top or bottom of
Pudding Mill Lane (which is easily worked out if you have a map) or make
an intrepid leap from wasteland by the Greenway onto the carriageway of
Pudding Mill Lane below (which I ended up doing).

I presume PML was built in anticipation of development in the area
(which is now obviously the Olympics and legacy plan). I wonder where
the current demand comes from - there is light industry in the immediate
surroundings but I wouldn't expect much demand from that - Hackney Wick
has a similar makeup but demand is much lower (about 68,000 annual
passengers). I wonder if it used as park-and-ride on weekdays, given its
proximity to the A11 and East Cross Route.


--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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I wonder where
the current demand comes from - there is light industry in the immediate
surroundings but I wouldn't expect much demand from that

There is more life to the south of Pudding Mill Lane:
1. Several new developments - Central house, The Lock building. I
think there will be one more soon.
2. Marshgate Business Centre + some sweat shop nearby.
3. Refurbished barracks at Otter Close.
4. Several "towers" of council flats near Abbey Lane.

I never saw any crowds at Pudding Mill Lane, but there are always
reasonable amount of people during rush hours.

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On 4 Feb, 20:49, "alex_t" wrote:
I wonder where
the current demand comes from - there is light industry in the immediate
surroundings but I wouldn't expect much demand from that

There is more life to the south of Pudding Mill Lane:
1. Several new developments - Central house, The Lock building. I
think there will be one more soon.
2. Marshgate Business Centre + some sweat shop nearby.
3. Refurbished barracks at Otter Close.
4. Several "towers" of council flats near Abbey Lane.

I never saw any crowds at Pudding Mill Lane, but there are always
reasonable amount of people during rush hours.

Isnt Pudding Mill Lane going to be very near the entrance of the
Olympic Stadium, if Im reading the plans right? Not sure what future
the station has.

Rob

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Isnt Pudding Mill Lane going to be very near the entrance of the
Olympic Stadium, if Im reading the plans right? Not sure what future
the station has.

Indeed, and the station will be closed during Olympics to prevent
overcrowding. However I think it definitely has future - all populous
buildings nearby are not going anywhere + there will be several sport
arenas after the Olympics.

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On 5 Feb, 13:18, "alex_t" wrote:
Isnt Pudding Mill Lane going to be very near the entrance of the
Olympic Stadium, if Im reading the plans right? Not sure what future
the station has.

Indeed, and the station will be closed during Olympics to prevent
overcrowding. However I think it definitely has future - all populous
buildings nearby are not going anywhere + there will be several sport
arenas after the Olympics.

There are going to be some fantastic then and now shots available in
that case. So are all the Olympic crowds supposed to arrive from
Stratford? West Ham station not so far away either.

Rob

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There are going to be some fantastic then and now shots available in
that case. So are all the Olympic crowds supposed to arrive from
Stratford? West Ham station not so far away either.

Stratford, Stratford International, and walk from West Ham (there must
be a new path built for that - currently it is a pain to get through).

I also hope they will clean all the stinky canals :-)
They are especially smelly in the summer...
Then again, I'm not so sure I will still live in Stratford in 2012.

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"alex_t" wrote in message
oups.com...

There are going to be some fantastic then and now shots available in
that case. So are all the Olympic crowds supposed to arrive from
Stratford? West Ham station not so far away either.

Stratford, Stratford International, and walk from West Ham (there must
be a new path built for that - currently it is a pain to get through).

I think the route is going to be along the 'green way' - above the northern
interceptor sewer...

I also hope they will clean all the stinky canals :-)
They are especially smelly in the summer...

I reckon its the tidal parts behind Three Mills that are the worst, but all
the piled river channels are going to kept full by a new semi tidal barrier
and lock somewhere - the tabloids had a go at it being called Prescott Lock,
as if it were named after the punchy politico of the same name, but of
course they were talking c**p as usual...

Paul

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I reckon its the tidal parts behind Three Mills that are the worst...

I live in a new "development" at Three Mills... :-(

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On 4 Feb, 20:00, Dave A wrote:
I made use of Pudding Mill Lane DLR station for the first time on
Saturday - an interesting experience. Surprisingly, it's not DLR's
least-used station (that accolade goes to Beckton Park for reasons that
I haven't yet worked out), with a very respectable annual usage figure
of about 325,000 passengers.

I'm just wondering... are these figures are based strictly on single
paper ticket sales, or on actual passenger surveys? If it's the
former, I'm guessing that the cheapest ticket (or one of the cheapest)
to get you through the automatic ticket barriers at Stratford would be
a single to Pudding Mill Lane...!

I can't for the life of me see where around 1000 passengers a day at
PML would go to or come from (that must work out at around 20 boarding
or alighting passengers per train in the peak hour), and would have
thought that Gallions Reach or Royal Albert would have less use than
Beckton Park but still more use than PML.

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On Feb 6, 12:38 am, "Harry G" wrote:
On 4 Feb, 20:00, Dave A wrote: I made use of Pudding Mill Lane DLR station for the first time on
Saturday - an interesting experience. Surprisingly, it's not DLR's
least-used station (that accolade goes to Beckton Park for reasons that
I haven't yet worked out), with a very respectable annual usage figure
of about 325,000 passengers.

I'm just wondering... are these figures are based strictly on single
paper ticket sales, or on actual passenger surveys? If it's the
former, I'm guessing that the cheapest ticket (or one of the cheapest)
to get you through the automatic ticket barriers at Stratford would be
a single to Pudding Mill Lane...!


It's actually the same price to Pudding Mill Lane as to Lewisham or
anywhere not in Zone 1.



I can't for the life of me see where around 1000 passengers a day at
PML would go to or come from (that must work out at around 20 boarding
or alighting passengers per train in the peak hour), and would have
thought that Gallions Reach or Royal Albert would have less use than
Beckton Park but still more use than PML.

Pudding Mill Lane
 

On 6 Feb, 00:44, "MIG" wrote:
On Feb 6, 12:38 am, "Harry G" wrote:

On 4 Feb, 20:00, Dave A wrote: I made use of Pudding Mill Lane DLR station for the first time on
Saturday - an interesting experience. Surprisingly, it's not DLR's
least-used station (that accolade goes to Beckton Park for reasons that
I haven't yet worked out), with a very respectable annual usage figure
of about 325,000 passengers.

I'm just wondering... are these figures are based strictly on single
paper ticket sales, or on actual passenger surveys? If it's the
former, I'm guessing that the cheapest ticket (or one of the cheapest)
to get you through the automatic ticket barriers at Stratford would be
a single to Pudding Mill Lane...!

It's actually the same price to Pudding Mill Lane as to Lewisham or
anywhere not in Zone 1.

Oh well, that theory is probably disproved!

Although... the 325,000 ppa figure is perhaps a 2005 figure, before
the paper ticket prices were hiked? Was it cheaper to go to PML then
than other stations - PML is joint Zone 2/3, Stratford is Zone 3 -
meaning a Zone 3 ticket only, but all other DLR stations required a
Zone 2 and 3 ticket.

I appreciate some LU stations near Stratford are also Zone 3 and would
have had the same prices, but because of gates at the other end you
would need a ticket to the right destination to exit an LU station. If
travelling on DLR (or National Rail services come to it) you could
walk out freely at almost any station so long as the train captain/
conductor hadn't inspected your ticket.

I was talking to a conductor on a ScotRail service into Glasgow Queen
Street shortly after automatic barriers were introduced there, and he
said the amount of tickets sold from Queen Street to the first station
(Bishopbriggs/Lenzie?) had increased massively since the gating - the
clear reason being that people were buying the cheapest possible
ticket simply to open the gates.

Pudding Mill Lane
 

On 5 Feb, 19:54, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"alex_t" wrote in message

oups.com...



There are going to be some fantastic then and now shots available in
that case. So are all the Olympic crowds supposed to arrive from
Stratford? West Ham station not so far away either.

Stratford, Stratford International, and walk from West Ham (there must
be a new path built for that - currently it is a pain to get through).

I think the route is going to be along the 'green way' - above the northern
interceptor sewer...

I also hope they will clean all the stinky canals :-)
They are especially smelly in the summer...

I reckon its the tidal parts behind Three Mills that are the worst, but all
the piled river channels are going to kept full by a new semi tidal barrier
and lock somewhere - the tabloids had a go at it being called Prescott Lock,
as if it were named after the punchy politico of the same name, but of
course they were talking c**p as usual...

Paul

I wonder what their going to do about the smell coming up from the
sewer on the Greenway, a bit of a bad introduction to the stadium.
They cant blame it all on Paula Radcliffe having run along there.

Rob

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I can't for the life of me see where around 1000 passengers a day at
PML would go to or come from (that must work out at around 20 boarding
or alighting passengers per train in the peak hour), and would have
thought that Gallions Reach or Royal Albert would have less use than
Beckton Park but still more use than PML.

Actually that's 1000 "travels" a day - since most of the passengers
are using it twice a day. Actually I can easily see 500 people using
station daily - after all, there are no local shops in the area, so to
get food or booze people need to go to Stratford or Bow.
Also, when people cannot get DLR tickets at Stratford (ticket machine
is broke, or something) - DLR "agents" usually tell people to buy
tickets at PML.

Pudding Mill Lane
 

On 6 Feb, 00:38, "Harry G" wrote:


I can't for the life of me see where around 1000 passengers a day at
PML would go to or come from (that must work out at around 20 boarding
or alighting passengers per train in the peak hour), and would have
thought that Gallions Reach or Royal Albert would have less use than
Beckton Park but still more use than PML.

I used to use Pudding Mill Lane. There are no parking restrictions
outside the station
(at least there weren't last time I went) which isn't bad for a zone 2
station, albeit that
at present it's pretty much in the middle of nowhere (a bit of an
industrial area), and
it's reasonably placed off the A12 for accessibility.

Gallions Reach, which you also mention, is another station I have used
by parking
outside. It is fairly conveniently placed too for park & ride.

Pudding Mill Lane
 

Harry G wrote
[...]
I was talking to a conductor on a ScotRail service into Glasgow Queen
Street shortly after automatic barriers were introduced there, and he
said the amount of tickets sold from Queen Street to the first
station
(Bishopbriggs/Lenzie?) had increased massively since the gating - the
clear reason being that people were buying the cheapest possible
ticket simply to open the gates.

The NR statation usage spreadsheet at
http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/nav.1379

Shows Glasgow Queen Street has an annual 2.389M entries and 1.341M
exits a very unusual imbalance though ISTR having to leave from there
and return to Central. Nothing unusual about the entry/exit ratio for
Bishopbriggs or Lenzie.

( 3.224M interchanges)


--
Mike D