Motspur Park speed restriction
Anyone know what's happening - or not happening - at Motspur Park?
There is a speed restriction of what feels like 1mph in both directions. On Monday they said it was emergency engineering works, but there's no obvious sign of anyone engineering anything. Peter CS |
Motspur Park speed restriction
On 14 Feb 2007 04:16:23 -0800, pjcs wrote:
Anyone know what's happening - or not happening - at Motspur Park? There is a speed restriction of what feels like 1mph in both directions. On Monday they said it was emergency engineering works, but there's no obvious sign of anyone engineering anything. Not an answer to your question, but I always find it irritating when I'm told that services are disrupted due to "emergency engineering works". Emergency engineering works are not the cause of the disruption; they are the solution to that cause. They're effectively saying, "We're not going to tell you why you're being delayed, because that might sound negative, which would damage our corporate image. Instead, we're going to patronise you by trying to put a positive spin on the disruption; you should be pleased that we're actually fixing the thing that went wrong (that we're not telling you about)." That's what I hear, anyway. ;-) |
Motspur Park speed restriction
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 04:28:39 +0000, asdf
wrote: On 14 Feb 2007 04:16:23 -0800, pjcs wrote: Anyone know what's happening - or not happening - at Motspur Park? There is a speed restriction of what feels like 1mph in both directions. On Monday they said it was emergency engineering works, but there's no obvious sign of anyone engineering anything. Not an answer to your question, but I always find it irritating when I'm told that services are disrupted due to "emergency engineering works". Emergency engineering works are not the cause of the disruption; they are the solution to that cause. They're effectively saying, "We're not going to tell you why you're being delayed, because that might sound negative, which would damage our corporate image. Instead, we're going to patronise you by trying to put a positive spin on the disruption; you should be pleased that we're actually fixing the thing that went wrong (that we're not telling you about)." That's what I hear, anyway. ;-) "A good service is operating on all London Underground lines". :( |
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On Feb 15, 4:38 am, James Farrar wrote:
"A good service is operating on all London Underground lines". :( It's not on the Underground |
Motspur Park speed restriction
On 14 Feb 2007 04:16:23 -0800, "pjcs"
wrote: Anyone know what's happening - or not happening - at Motspur Park? There is a speed restriction of what feels like 1mph in both directions. On Monday they said it was emergency engineering works, but there's no obvious sign of anyone engineering anything. Peter CS There was a sign on the road over the crossing saying it was closed between 10pm and 6am, so possibly road works. But nothing obvious on the crossing itself. Dave |
Motspur Park speed restriction
I noticed a piece of Balfour Beatty road/rail plant heading out that
way on the line from the Raynes Park area yesterday morning, I guess that is probably conencted in some way with this work? |
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glegroups.com, Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:10:02, Old Central posted: I noticed a piece of Balfour Beatty road/rail plant heading out that way on the line from the Raynes Park area yesterday morning, I guess that is probably conencted in some way with this work? That might be the piece that was parked in Elm Road, a little north of the level crossing, at about 12:40 today; about TQ 2075 6850. OTOH Motspur Park is on a different line from Raynes Park. Elm Road bridge, just south of there, is closed to road traffic under (including foot, AFAICS; but the footpath to the north of the main line is fully usable). -- (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK. Turnpike v6.05 MIME. Web URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links. Proper = 4-line sig. separator as above, a line exactly "-- " (SonOfRFC1036) Do not Mail News to me. Before a reply, quote with "" or " " (SonOfRFC1036) |
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:04:32 +0000, Dr J R Stockton
wrote: That might be the piece that was parked in Elm Road, a little north of the level crossing, at about 12:40 today; about TQ 2075 6850. OTOH Motspur Park is on a different line from Raynes Park. Motspur Park is the next station after Raynes Raynes on a branch off the main line. Dave |
Motspur Park speed restriction
Sounds like Balfour Beatty are busy then, hope NR are paying them
handsomely for the service! Elm Road is on the Kingston Branch past New Malden. Whereas the one I saw was on the branch to Motspur Park parallel to West Barnes Lane. OC |
Motspur Park speed restriction
In uk.transport.london message ,
Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:56:53, Dave posted: On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:04:32 +0000, Dr J R Stockton wrote: That might be the piece that was parked in Elm Road, a little north of the level crossing, at about 12:40 today; about TQ 2075 6850. OTOH Motspur Park is on a different line from Raynes Park. Motspur Park is the next station after Raynes Raynes on a branch off the main line. My meaning was that, starting from Raynes Park, Motspur Park is not on the same route as Elm Road. Coming from London by train, one turns left at RP to get to MP, but one turns right at New Malden (by underpass near Elm Road) to get to ER, Norbiton, etc. The Elm Road level crossing is, of course, not main line; but the bridge being worked on supports the main Waterloo-Southampton line. Query : there are three holes under the main line near Elm Road level crossing. One is for Elm Road; one is used by trains from New Malden to Norbiton. Why the third, parallel to and north of the second? -- (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK. Turnpike v6.05 IE 6. Web URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms PAS EXE etc : URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/ - see 00index.htm Dates - miscdate.htm moredate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc. |
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In message id, Dr J R
Stockton writes Query : there are three holes under the main line near Elm Road level crossing. One is for Elm Road; one is used by trains from New Malden to Norbiton. Why the third, parallel to and north of the second? I can't immediately see where you mean. Can you give a location on ... http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl...en,+Greater+Lo ndon,+United+Kingdom&ie=UTF8&sll=53.098145,-2.443696&sspn=9.308633,20.434 57&z=19&ll=51.402432,-0.264294&spn=0.00118,0.003374&t=k&om=1 -- Paul Terry |
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In uk.transport.london message , Wed, 21
Feb 2007 19:26:47, Paul Terry posted: In message id, Dr J R Stockton writes Query : there are three holes under the main line near Elm Road level crossing. One is for Elm Road; one is used by trains from New Malden to Norbiton. Why the third, parallel to and north of the second? I can't immediately see where you mean. I've misplaced a better answer; but the unused hole is a bit over one train-width to the north, and a few yards to the east, of the working one. The ends are easily seen. -- (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK. Turnpike v6.05 MIME. Web URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links. |
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In uk.transport.london message , Wed, 21
Feb 2007 19:26:47, Paul Terry posted: In message id, Dr J R Stockton writes Query : there are three holes under the main line near Elm Road level crossing. One is for Elm Road; one is used by trains from New Malden to Norbiton. Why the third, parallel to and north of the second? I can't immediately see where you mean. Can you give a location on ... http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl...en,+Greater+Lo ndon,+United+Kingdom&ie=UTF8&sll=53.098145,-2.443696&sspn=9.308633,20.434 57&z=19&ll=51.402432,-0.264294&spn=0.00118,0.003374&t=k&om=1 Recovered by re-boot : If you walk down Elm Road, it's obvious. Better to start with one step less of zoom. You can then see the Norbiton-bound track going under the main line and across the road, where the crossing is closed. The third hole is parallel to the second, to the north of it by the width of a train plus the thickness of a wall plus (presumably) a bit of clearance, and to the east of it by about 40 feet. On each side of the main line you can see two triangular flat bits of hole-roof, one with track and one without. Note that the picture of that part was taken from a bit to the North (and East) - the new-looking building to the NW of the crossing beside Holmwood Court, with two sets of chimneys, can be presumed to have a symmetrical roof. But at New Malden Station, the picture of the west tower was clearly taken from the South, unlike that of the east tower. The expected train is nearing the West end of Northcote Road. -- (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK. Turnpike v6.05 MIME. Web URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - FAQqish topics, acronyms & links; Astro stuff via astron-1.htm, gravity0.htm ; quotings.htm, pascal.htm, etc. No Encoding. Quotes before replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Don't Mail News. |
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In message id, Dr J R
Stockton writes I've misplaced a better answer; but the unused hole is a bit over one train-width to the north, and a few yards to the east, of the working one. The ends are easily seen. Ah, got it! When built, both tracks of the Kingston loop buried under the main line at Elm Road, and then ran in parallel with (but independently of) the main line (i.e. on what are the southern pair of the four tracks). So the mysterious hole was for the Kingston Loop up-line before the main line was re-arranged for four-track running through to Surbiton. I'm not sure when that was, but it would have been when the Kingston up-line was re-routed across the rather awkward level crossing at Elm Road and on to the north side of the main line, thus leaving the unoccupied short tunnel under the main line. According to the Middleton book on the Kingston loop, the old up-line track was there until about 1884. It can be seen (using the magnified view) at: http://www.old-maps.co.uk/oldmaps/in...orthing=168482 -- Paul Terry |
Motspur Park speed restriction
On Feb 24, 3:52 pm, Paul Terry wrote:
In message id, Dr J R Stockton writes I've misplaced a better answer; but the unused hole is a bit over one train-width to the north, and a few yards to the east, of the working one. The ends are easily seen. Ah, got it! When built, both tracks of the Kingston loop buried burrowed? under the main line at Elm Road, and then ran in parallel with (but independently of) the main line (i.e. on what are the southern pair of the four tracks). So the mysterious hole was for the Kingston Loop up-line The up line presumably being Kingston to Wimbledon (worth confirming, as of course both routes out of Kingston go to London). Did the rearrangement happen when the Wimbledon flyover was built (or v.v.) ? |
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In uk.transport.london message , Sat, 24
Feb 2007 15:52:02, Paul Terry posted: In message id, Dr J R Stockton writes I've misplaced a better answer; but the unused hole is a bit over one train-width to the north, and a few yards to the east, of the working one. The ends are easily seen. Ah, got it! When built, both tracks of the Kingston loop buried under the main line at Elm Road, and then ran in parallel with (but independently of) the main line (i.e. on what are the southern pair of the four tracks). So the mysterious hole was for the Kingston Loop up-line before the main line was re-arranged for four-track running through to Surbiton. I'm not sure when that was, but it would have been when the Kingston up- line was re-routed across the rather awkward level crossing at Elm Road and on to the north side of the main line, thus leaving the unoccupied short tunnel under the main line. According to the Middleton book on the Kingston loop, the old up-line track was there until about 1884. It can be seen (using the magnified view) at: http://www.old-maps.co.uk/oldmaps/in...ing=520855&nor thing=168482 I see - the routes seem to be separate as far back as Raynes Park. You won't see from Google; but the middle half of the Elm Road overbridge is a brick arch of great age and inadequate size. The southern quarter of the bridge is considerably younger but apparently decrepit. The northern quarter is now about a week old; I think the southern quarter has a week to live. -- (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK. Turnpike v6.05 IE 6. Web URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms PAS EXE etc : URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/ - see 00index.htm Dates - miscdate.htm moredate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc. |
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