Victoria line today around 1030
Afternoon all,
Got the Vic at Finsbury Park, heading for Euston. Got as far as King's Cross more or less alright. Then got an announcement: "this train is being held here, as there is planned engineering work at Victoria; the engineers will be on the line for about ten minutes". Got off and headed over to the Northern line, to get to Euston; as i went down the escalator, heard an announcement that the Victoria line was now suspended. Firstly, any idea what it was about? Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Seems like a very, very odd time to make a possession ... tom -- Coldplay is the kind of music computers will make when they get smart enough to start making fun of humans -- Lower Marsh Tit |
Victoria line today around 1030
In message , Tom
Anderson writes Got the Vic at Finsbury Park, heading for Euston. Got as far as King's Cross more or less alright. Then got an announcement: "this train is being held here, as there is planned engineering work at Victoria; the engineers will be on the line for about ten minutes". Got off and headed over to the Northern line, to get to Euston; as i went down the escalator, heard an announcement that the Victoria line was now suspended. Firstly, any idea what it was about? Signal failure at Victoria according to the TfL realtime page. (Also faulty train at Warren Street, although I'm not sure if that was later). Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! -- Paul Terry |
Victoria line today around 1030
On 14 Feb, 16:56, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Tom Anderson writes Got the Vic at Finsbury Park, heading for Euston. Got as far as King's Cross more or less alright. Then got an announcement: "this train is being held here, as there is planned engineering work at Victoria; the engineers will be on the line for about ten minutes". Got off and headed over to the Northern line, to get to Euston; as i went down the escalator, heard an announcement that the Victoria line was now suspended. Firstly, any idea what it was about? Signal failure at Victoria according to the TfL realtime page. (Also faulty train at Warren Street, although I'm not sure if that was later). Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! Maybe they meant to say "unplanned", or maybe you mishead it? |
Victoria line today around 1030
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:56:50 +0000, Paul Terry
wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes Got the Vic at Finsbury Park, heading for Euston. Got as far as King's Cross more or less alright. Then got an announcement: "this train is being held here, as there is planned engineering work at Victoria; the engineers will be on the line for about ten minutes". Got off and headed over to the Northern line, to get to Euston; as i went down the escalator, heard an announcement that the Victoria line was now suspended. Firstly, any idea what it was about? Signal failure at Victoria according to the TfL realtime page. (Also faulty train at Warren Street, although I'm not sure if that was later). Warren St was later - line ended up suspended H&I - Brixton. More info tomorrow when I see the daily report. Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! Planned in the sense that LU allowed them on to the tracks but not planned in the sense of a long planned possession. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
Victoria line today around 1030
On 14 Feb, 18:27, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:56:50 +0000, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes (snip) Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! Planned in the sense that LU allowed them on to the tracks but not planned in the sense of a long planned possession. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! Are you sure you're not practising for an appearance before the Assembly's transport committee Paul?! |
Victoria line today around 1030
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:56:50 +0000, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes Got the Vic at Finsbury Park, heading for Euston. Got as far as King's Cross more or less alright. Then got an announcement: "this train is being held here, as there is planned engineering work at Victoria; the engineers will be on the line for about ten minutes". Got off and headed over to the Northern line, to get to Euston; as i went down the escalator, heard an announcement that the Victoria line was now suspended. Firstly, any idea what it was about? Signal failure at Victoria according to the TfL realtime page. (Also faulty train at Warren Street, although I'm not sure if that was later). Warren St was later - line ended up suspended H&I - Brixton. Righto. Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! Planned in the sense that LU allowed them on to the tracks but not planned in the sense of a long planned possession. Genius! So is there also unplanned engineering work, where the navvies just bundle past the platform staff and fix things before anyone can stop them, then? tom -- The Web isn't hypertext, it's DECORATED DIRECTORIES! -- Ted Nelson |
Victoria line today around 1030
Genius! So is there also unplanned engineering work, where the navvies just bundle past the platform staff and fix things before anyone can stop them, then? Unplanned engineering work is where something fails (such as the signal failure at Victoria yesterday) and staff have to go down to fix the failure. Proper protection for staff on the track has to be put in place, they don't just "bundle down and fix things before anyone can stop them". The defective train was later on, around 13.30ish IIRC. It had to be pushed out (i.e. pushed by another train). |
Victoria line today around 1030
On Feb 15, 10:48 am, wrote:
Unplanned engineering work is where something fails (such as the signal failure at Victoria yesterday) and staff have to go down to fix the failure. Proper protection for staff on the track has to be put in place, they don't just "bundle down and fix things before anyone can stop them". Sarcasm is obviously wasted on some people. B2003 |
Victoria line today around 1030
Tom Anderson wrote: Afternoon all, Got the Vic at Finsbury Park, heading for Euston. Got as far as King's Cross more or less alright. Then got an announcement: "this train is being held here, as there is planned engineering work at Victoria; the engineers will be on the line for about ten minutes". Got off and headed over to the Northern line, to get to Euston; as i went down the escalator, heard an announcement that the Victoria line was now suspended. Firstly, any idea what it was about? Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Seems like a very, very odd time to make a possession ... Funny, because yeserday, I was on the Vic at Tottenham Hale at about 0945 and there were delays most of the way - then when we got to Warren Street, they terminated it, giving a problem at Victoria as the reason. Maybe they fixed it last night but it recurred (not "scheduled", I know)? |
Victoria line today around 1030
On 14 Feb 2007 17:09:50 -0800, "Mizter T" wrote:
On 14 Feb, 18:27, Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:56:50 +0000, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes (snip) Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! Planned in the sense that LU allowed them on to the tracks but not planned in the sense of a long planned possession. Are you sure you're not practising for an appearance before the Assembly's transport committee Paul?! Not that I'm aware of. Thankfully Mr O'Toole usually gets that job. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
Victoria line today around 1030
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:21:58 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:56:50 +0000, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes Got the Vic at Finsbury Park, heading for Euston. Got as far as King's Cross more or less alright. Then got an announcement: "this train is being held here, as there is planned engineering work at Victoria; the engineers will be on the line for about ten minutes". Got off and headed over to the Northern line, to get to Euston; as i went down the escalator, heard an announcement that the Victoria line was now suspended. Firstly, any idea what it was about? Signal failure at Victoria according to the TfL realtime page. (Also faulty train at Warren Street, although I'm not sure if that was later). Warren St was later - line ended up suspended H&I - Brixton. Righto. Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! Planned in the sense that LU allowed them on to the tracks but not planned in the sense of a long planned possession. Genius! So is there also unplanned engineering work, where the navvies just bundle past the platform staff and fix things before anyone can stop them, then? There was a signal failure that was traced to a problem with the cables. In such circumstances it is essential that track staff are allowed on to the track to investigate, identify the fault and then repair or replace the cable. Obviously no one plans to have a failure so any requirement for a possession to effect a repair is unplanned ! I wonder if I get another gold star from Mizter T for that explanation? As this happened at Victoria it was more complex to deal with partly because the area has a number of points / crossovers. In addition the fact that these points are not available to turn trains round makes the impact on the service much greater thus requiring a bigger part of the line to be suspended. There was then a problem with a failed train near Euston which required all the passengers to be evacuated. This caused the line suspension to be increased in extent. And then to cap it all off there was a further problem with signals at Victoria. All in all a bloody awful day on the Victoria line for those who got caught up in it all. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
Victoria line today around 1030
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:21:58 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:56:50 +0000, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes Then got an announcement: "this train is being held here, as there is planned engineering work at Victoria; the engineers will be on the line for about ten minutes". Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! Planned in the sense that LU allowed them on to the tracks but not planned in the sense of a long planned possession. Genius! So is there also unplanned engineering work, where the navvies just bundle past the platform staff and fix things before anyone can stop them, then? There was a signal failure that was traced to a problem with the cables. In such circumstances it is essential that track staff are allowed on to the track to investigate, identify the fault and then repair or replace the cable. Obviously no one plans to have a failure so any requirement for a possession to effect a repair is unplanned ! Maybe they should - then they could have all the failures at night, when it wouldn't disrupt the service. Hmm. Seriously, that might work. If there are known conditions that tend to push almost-failed systems into failure, such as rapid switching, power spikes, brownouts, vibration, etc, then it might be possible to generate those deliberately during maintenance time to root out weedy components. Although if this is possible, i would imagine it's already being done. Cheers for the info once again, Mr C. tom -- Crazy week so far, which at one point involved spewing down the inside of my jeans! -- D |
Victoria line today around 1030
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:21:18 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote: On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Paul Corfield wrote: On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:21:58 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:56:50 +0000, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes Then got an announcement: "this train is being held here, as there is planned engineering work at Victoria; the engineers will be on the line for about ten minutes". Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! Planned in the sense that LU allowed them on to the tracks but not planned in the sense of a long planned possession. Genius! So is there also unplanned engineering work, where the navvies just bundle past the platform staff and fix things before anyone can stop them, then? There was a signal failure that was traced to a problem with the cables. In such circumstances it is essential that track staff are allowed on to the track to investigate, identify the fault and then repair or replace the cable. Obviously no one plans to have a failure so any requirement for a possession to effect a repair is unplanned ! Maybe they should - then they could have all the failures at night, when it wouldn't disrupt the service. Hmm. Seriously, that might work. If there are known conditions that tend to push almost-failed systems into failure, such as rapid switching, power spikes, brownouts, vibration, etc, then it might be possible to generate those deliberately during maintenance time to root out weedy components. Although if this is possible, i would imagine it's already being done. Most of the things you suggest would probably require trains to run which rather defeats the main object of engineering hours. There is a lot of inspection and checking that goes on to make sure rails and track components are fit for use as well as permanently repairing things (like power and signal cables) which might have had a temporary fix during traffic hours. In addition certain track repairs to remove temporary speed restrictions can only happen at night - the same applies to swapping things out like defective blockjoints and trainstops. Oh and then you've got to add on upgrade related works on top of all of that. If you did some of the tests you suggest and they caused a serious failure it is possible that a line would not start on time and there'd be an overrun of engineering hours which for certain lines can wreck the service for many hours. Overruns are also hugely unpopular with passengers. Cheers for the info once again, Mr C. OK. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
Victoria line today around 1030
On 15 Feb, 19:12, Paul Corfield wrote:
On 14 Feb 2007 17:09:50 -0800, "Mizter T" wrote: On 14 Feb, 18:27, Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:56:50 +0000, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes (snip) Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! Planned in the sense that LU allowed them on to the tracks but not planned in the sense of a long planned possession. Are you sure you're not practising for an appearance before the Assembly's transport committee Paul?! Not that I'm aware of. Thankfully Mr O'Toole usually gets that job. -- Paul C Always good to have the right O'Toole for the job. |
Victoria line today around 1030
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:12:13 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote: On 14 Feb 2007 17:09:50 -0800, "Mizter T" wrote: On 14 Feb, 18:27, Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:56:50 +0000, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes (snip) Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! Planned in the sense that LU allowed them on to the tracks but not planned in the sense of a long planned possession. Are you sure you're not practising for an appearance before the Assembly's transport committee Paul?! Not that I'm aware of. Thankfully Mr O'Toole usually gets that job. That's why we pay him: to tell the politicians how Metronet/Tubelines have screwed up this time! :) |
Victoria line today around 1030
On 15 Feb 2007 14:25:58 -0800, "Mizter T" wrote:
On 15 Feb, 19:12, Paul Corfield wrote: On 14 Feb 2007 17:09:50 -0800, "Mizter T" wrote: On 14 Feb, 18:27, Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:56:50 +0000, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes (snip) Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! Planned in the sense that LU allowed them on to the tracks but not planned in the sense of a long planned possession. Are you sure you're not practising for an appearance before the Assembly's transport committee Paul?! Not that I'm aware of. Thankfully Mr O'Toole usually gets that job. -- Paul C Always good to have the right O'Toole for the job. **groan** |
Victoria line today around 1030
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message h.li... On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:56:50 +0000, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes Got the Vic at Finsbury Park, heading for Euston. Got as far as King's Cross more or less alright. Then got an announcement: "this train is being held here, as there is planned engineering work at Victoria; the engineers will be on the line for about ten minutes". Got off and headed over to the Northern line, to get to Euston; as i went down the escalator, heard an announcement that the Victoria line was now suspended. Firstly, any idea what it was about? Signal failure at Victoria according to the TfL realtime page. (Also faulty train at Warren Street, although I'm not sure if that was later). Warren St was later - line ended up suspended H&I - Brixton. Righto. Secondly, am i right in assuming the "planned" was a mistake? Sounds like it: engineering work, yes, but not planned! Planned in the sense that LU allowed them on to the tracks but not planned in the sense of a long planned possession. Genius! So is there also unplanned engineering work, where the navvies just bundle past the platform staff and fix things before anyone can stop them, then? Well, I've seen some of our more "gung-ho" ERU lads come pretty close... -- Cheers, Steve. Change from jealous to sad to reply. |
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