Yes, it's Another Arcane Oyster Question!
 

I think I know the answer to this one, but would appreciate
clarification from anyone who *actually* knows...

If you have a registered Oyster card with no period Travelcard loaded
but with a positive PAYG balance, make a PAYG journey, and /later in
the same day/ buy a period Travelcard on that Oyster card, starting
that day, and covering the zones included in your initial PAYG
journey, will the PAYG journey be refunded?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Yes, it's Another Arcane Oyster Question!
 

In ups.com,
John B typed:

I think I know the answer to this one, but would appreciate
clarification from anyone who *actually* knows...

If you have a registered Oyster card with no period Travelcard loaded
but with a positive PAYG balance, make a PAYG journey, and /later in
the same day/ buy a period Travelcard on that Oyster card, starting
that day, and covering the zones included in your initial PAYG
journey, will the PAYG journey be refunded?

No

In the days before Oystercards would you have expected to have travelled
in the morning and then had your fare refunded in the afternoon if you
bought a season ticket?




--
Bob

Yes, it's Another Arcane Oyster Question!
 

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:56:34 GMT, Bob Wood wrote:

If you have a registered Oyster card with no period Travelcard loaded
but with a positive PAYG balance, make a PAYG journey, and /later in
the same day/ buy a period Travelcard on that Oyster card, starting
that day, and covering the zones included in your initial PAYG
journey, will the PAYG journey be refunded?

No

In the days before Oystercards would you have expected to have travelled
in the morning and then had your fare refunded in the afternoon if you
bought a season ticket?

In the days before Oystercards, would you have expected to pay for a
single journey, later that day decide to make 10 more journeys, and
just pay the ODTC price (or less) for the lot?

Yes, it's Another Arcane Oyster Question!
 

On 11 Apr, 15:48, asdf wrote:
If you have a registered Oyster card with no period Travelcard loaded
but with a positive PAYG balance, make a PAYG journey, and /later in
the same day/ buy a period Travelcard on that Oyster card, starting
that day, and covering the zones included in your initial PAYG
journey, will the PAYG journey be refunded?

No

In the days before Oystercards would you have expected to have travelled
in the morning and then had your fare refunded in the afternoon if you
bought a season ticket?

In the days before Oystercards, would you have expected to pay for a
single journey, later that day decide to make 10 more journeys, and
just pay the ODTC price (or less) for the lot?

Quite. Given that Bob's response seems to be based on 'pre-Oyster
common-sense' (if you will), I'd like to reiterate my question "does
anyone actually KNOW this to be the case or otherwise?".

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Yes, it's Another Arcane Oyster Question!
 

John B wrote:
On 11 Apr, 15:48, asdf wrote:
If you have a registered Oyster card with no period Travelcard loaded
but with a positive PAYG balance, make a PAYG journey, and /later in
the same day/ buy a period Travelcard on that Oyster card, starting
that day, and covering the zones included in your initial PAYG
journey, will the PAYG journey be refunded?
No
In the days before Oystercards would you have expected to have travelled
in the morning and then had your fare refunded in the afternoon if you
bought a season ticket?
In the days before Oystercards, would you have expected to pay for a
single journey, later that day decide to make 10 more journeys, and
just pay the ODTC price (or less) for the lot?

Quite. Given that Bob's response seems to be based on 'pre-Oyster
common-sense' (if you will), I'd like to reiterate my question "does
anyone actually KNOW this to be the case or otherwise?".

I'm pretty sure it's not the case in my experience... For some reason,
the gates NEVER EVER tell me my season ticket is about to expire, so I
often find later in the day that I have paid for the morning's journey
using the bit of pre-pay I have on the card*. If I then renew the season
ticket, it doesn't give me anything back for the morning's journey.



* Which is why I try to keep as small as possible an amount on the card
now. It's annoying and I don't know why I never get an "about to expire"
message on the gates. I just try to remember to put a reminder in my
phone for when it runs out when I buy a new one now.

Yes, it's Another Arcane Oyster Question!
 

On 11 Apr, 17:15, "John B" wrote:
On 11 Apr, 15:48, asdf wrote:

If you have a registered Oyster card with no period Travelcard loaded
but with a positive PAYG balance, make a PAYG journey, and /later in
the same day/ buy a period Travelcard on that Oyster card, starting
that day, and covering the zones included in your initial PAYG
journey, will the PAYG journey be refunded?

No

In the days before Oystercards would you have expected to have travelled
in the morning and then had your fare refunded in the afternoon if you
bought a season ticket?

In the days before Oystercards, would you have expected to pay for a
single journey, later that day decide to make 10 more journeys, and
just pay the ODTC price (or less) for the lot?

Quite. Given that Bob's response seems to be based on 'pre-Oyster
common-sense' (if you will), I'd like to reiterate my question "does
anyone actually KNOW this to be the case or otherwise?".

--
John Band
john at johnband dot orgwww.johnband.org

I know this to not be the case - i.e. if you buy a travelcard on
Oyster it will not retroactively refund any money you've used to Pay
As You Go that day.

Yes, it's Another Arcane Oyster Question!
 

In oups.com,
Tom Page typed:
On 11 Apr, 17:15, "John B" wrote:
On 11 Apr, 15:48, asdf wrote:

If you have a registered Oyster card with no period Travelcard
loaded but with a positive PAYG balance, make a PAYG journey, and
/later in the same day/ buy a period Travelcard on that Oyster
card, starting that day, and covering the zones included in your
initial PAYG journey, will the PAYG journey be refunded?

No

In the days before Oystercards would you have expected to have
travelled in the morning and then had your fare refunded in the
afternoon if you bought a season ticket?

In the days before Oystercards, would you have expected to pay for a
single journey, later that day decide to make 10 more journeys, and
just pay the ODTC price (or less) for the lot?

Quite. Given that Bob's response seems to be based on 'pre-Oyster
common-sense' (if you will), I'd like to reiterate my question "does
anyone actually KNOW this to be the case or otherwise?".

--
John Band
john at johnband dot orgwww.johnband.org

I know this to not be the case - i.e. if you buy a travelcard on
Oyster it will not retroactively refund any money you've used to Pay
As You Go that day.

Which is exactly what I said in the first place. The fact that I
suggested in another paragraph that it is no different from the
situation before Oystercards has no bearing on the matter.



--
Bob

Yes, it's Another Arcane Oyster Question!
 

On Apr 12, 8:34 am, Dave Newt wrote:
John B wrote:
On 11 Apr, 15:48, asdf wrote:
If you have a registered Oyster card with no period Travelcard loaded
but with a positive PAYG balance, make a PAYG journey, and /later in
the same day/ buy a period Travelcard on that Oyster card, starting
that day, and covering the zones included in your initial PAYG
journey, will the PAYG journey be refunded?
No
In the days before Oystercards would you have expected to have travelled
in the morning and then had your fare refunded in the afternoon if you
bought a season ticket?
In the days before Oystercards, would you have expected to pay for a
single journey, later that day decide to make 10 more journeys, and
just pay the ODTC price (or less) for the lot?

Quite. Given that Bob's response seems to be based on 'pre-Oyster
common-sense' (if you will), I'd like to reiterate my question "does
anyone actually KNOW this to be the case or otherwise?".

I'm pretty sure it's not the case in my experience... For some reason,
the gates NEVER EVER tell me my season ticket is about to expire, so I
often find later in the day that I have paid for the morning's journey
using the bit of pre-pay I have on the card*. If I then renew the season
ticket, it doesn't give me anything back for the morning's journey.

* Which is why I try to keep as small as possible an amount on the card
now. It's annoying and I don't know why I never get an "about to expire"
message on the gates. I just try to remember to put a reminder in my
phone for when it runs out when I buy a new one now



If you have a weekly, you get the warning almost immediately, and tend
to ignore it anyway.

Yes, it's Another Arcane Oyster Question!
 

On 12 Apr, 16:09, "Bob Wood" wrote:

I know this to not be the case - i.e. if you buy a travelcard on
Oyster it will not retroactively refund any money you've used to Pay
As You Go that day.

Which is exactly what I said in the first place. The fact that I
suggested in another paragraph that it is no different from the
situation before Oystercards has no bearing on the matter.


Fair enough, but that wasn't clear from your response. When answering
an Oyster question it's worth indicating that something is known
rather than deduced, since there's so much deduced misinformation
circulating...

Thanks everyone for your help.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Yes, it's Another Arcane Oyster Question!
 

Dave Newt wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's not the case in my experience... For some reason,
the gates NEVER EVER tell me my season ticket is about to expire, so I
often find later in the day that I have paid for the morning's journey
using the bit of pre-pay I have on the card*. If I then renew the
season ticket, it doesn't give me anything back for the morning's
journey.
* Which is why I try to keep as small as possible an amount on the
card now. It's annoying and I don't know why I never get an "about to
expire" message on the gates. I just try to remember to put a
reminder in my phone for when it runs out when I buy a new one now.

Could it be that the pre-pay money (i.e. validity) is the reason you don't
get the warning? The logic (if this is the case) presumably being that the
card as a whole is not going to expire, so you will still be able to travel.

(Guessing. Another issue for someone who *knows* ;-)