Why not Kings Cross AND St. Pancras?
 

Why has the ampersand been omitted? When are they going to change to
Chalfont Latimer, Elephant Castle, Highbury Islington, Totteridge Whetstone
etc?

Let us demand our "&" back!

MaxB

Why not Kings Cross AND St. Pancras?
 

On Wed, 2 May 2007, MaxB wrote:

Why has the ampersand been omitted? When are they going to change to
Chalfont Latimer, Elephant Castle, Highbury Islington, Totteridge
Whetstone etc?

Let us demand our "&" back!

Maybe it's like Acton Central and Clapham South - to distinguish it from
the other King's Cross stations.

Which have yet to be built. Except King's Cross Thameslink.

Note that this logic implodes when St Pancras Midland Road opens - unless
they rename the big station St Pancras King's Cross!

tom

--
I fought the law and the law won.

Why not Kings Cross AND St. Pancras?
 

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Wed, 2 May 2007, MaxB wrote:

Why has the ampersand been omitted? When are they going to change to
Chalfont Latimer, Elephant Castle, Highbury Islington, Totteridge
Whetstone etc?

Let us demand our "&" back!

Maybe it's like Acton Central and Clapham South - to distinguish it from
the other King's Cross stations.

Which have yet to be built. Except King's Cross Thameslink.

Note that this logic implodes when St Pancras Midland Road opens - unless
they rename the big station St Pancras King's Cross!


For the naming, you have to go back to how the move of the Kings Cross
underground station was dealt with in 1941, as the original platforms were
the disused ones alongside the current Kings Cross 'Thameslink'. Did the
(now Thameslink) platforms remain open as 'Kings Cross' when the new Met
station outside St Pancras opened, before they ultimately closed and
reopened with the Thameslink suffix?.

We've previously discussed the possibility that the 'Midland Rd' suffix
might not be used, as the platforms will be accessed from the same area as
all the other domestic St Pancras platforms, it may make more sense to
number them in the overall sequence.

Paul

Why not Kings Cross AND St. Pancras?
 

Paul Scott:
For the naming, you have to go back to how the move of the Kings Cross
underground station was dealt with in 1941, as the original platforms were
the disused ones alongside the current Kings Cross 'Thameslink'. ...

According to the "London Underground Stations abc" by David Leboff:

1863 "King's Cross", subsurface (old location)
1906 "King's Cross", Piccadilly
1907 "King's Cross for St. Pancras", Northern
1925 "King's Cross & St. Pancras", subsurface station renamed
1927 "King's Cross for St. Pancras", Piccadilly station renamed
1933 "King's Cross St. Pancras", name established for entire station

(Of course the line names I use here are anachronistic.)

Did the (now Thameslink) platforms remain open as 'Kings Cross' when
the new Met station outside St Pancras opened, before they ultimately
closed and reopened with the Thameslink suffix?.

I would guess so, but I don't know. I recall that the suffix was Midland
before it was Thameslink -- I guess this would have arisen after British
Rail began serving Moorgate from Finsbury Park, but I don't know that
either.
--
Mark Brader "Hacking for 8 years gives a guy a memory.
Toronto If you was with a woman -- I'd've noticed."
PHANTOM LADY

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Why not Kings Cross AND St. Pancras?
 

On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:22:34 -0000, (Mark Brader) wrote:

Paul Scott:
For the naming, you have to go back to how the move of the Kings Cross
underground station was dealt with in 1941, as the original platforms were
the disused ones alongside the current Kings Cross 'Thameslink'. ...

According to the "London Underground Stations abc" by David Leboff:

1863 "King's Cross", subsurface (old location)
1906 "King's Cross", Piccadilly
1907 "King's Cross for St. Pancras", Northern
1925 "King's Cross & St. Pancras", subsurface station renamed
1927 "King's Cross for St. Pancras", Piccadilly station renamed
1933 "King's Cross St. Pancras", name established for entire station

(Of course the line names I use here are anachronistic.)

Did the (now Thameslink) platforms remain open as 'Kings Cross' when
the new Met station outside St Pancras opened, before they ultimately
closed and reopened with the Thameslink suffix?.

I think they became Kings Cross St Pancras on reopening in 1946 but
changed to Kings Cross later. The suffices Pentonville Road and Old
Met(ropolitan Station) appeared in time tables and possibly on the
entrance. (ISTR this being dtailed here before.)

I would guess so, but I don't know. I recall that the suffix was Midland
before it was Thameslink -- I guess this would have arisen after British
Rail began serving Moorgate from Finsbury Park, but I don't know that
either.

On electrification/reopening of the (now) Thameslink station it was
known as Kings Cross Midland City, the line being designated Midland
City.


--
Peter Lawrence

Why not Kings Cross AND St. Pancras?
 

In article ,
says...
On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:22:34 -0000, (Mark Brader) wrote:

Paul Scott:
For the naming, you have to go back to how the move of the Kings Cross
underground station was dealt with in 1941, as the original platforms were
the disused ones alongside the current Kings Cross 'Thameslink'. ...

According to the "London Underground Stations abc" by David Leboff:

1863 "King's Cross", subsurface (old location)
1906 "King's Cross", Piccadilly
1907 "King's Cross for St. Pancras", Northern
1925 "King's Cross & St. Pancras", subsurface station renamed
1927 "King's Cross for St. Pancras", Piccadilly station renamed
1933 "King's Cross St. Pancras", name established for entire station

(Of course the line names I use here are anachronistic.)

Did the (now Thameslink) platforms remain open as 'Kings Cross' when
the new Met station outside St Pancras opened, before they ultimately
closed and reopened with the Thameslink suffix?.

I think they became Kings Cross St Pancras on reopening in 1946 but
changed to Kings Cross later. The suffices Pentonville Road and Old
Met(ropolitan Station) appeared in time tables and possibly on the
entrance. (ISTR this being dtailed here before.)

I would guess so, but I don't know. I recall that the suffix was Midland
before it was Thameslink -- I guess this would have arisen after British
Rail began serving Moorgate from Finsbury Park, but I don't know that
either.

On electrification/reopening of the (now) Thameslink station it was
known as Kings Cross Midland City, the line being designated Midland
City.



I recall the platform roundels read Kings Cross St Pancras, and
Pentonville Road was on the entrance only.

LMS/British Rail[LM] timetables read Kings Cross [Met] as did St Albans
local timetables.

LNER/British Rail[E] timetables showed Kings Cross [Metropolitan] on the
inbound tables only, as their trains didn't stop there outbound.

Upon reopening, Aptis tickets read Kings Cross Midland in 1987, the
latest I have with this name was issued on 10 May 1988. Ticketwise, the
earliest date I have showing Kings Cross Thameslink is 13 June 1988.

Why not Kings Cross AND St. Pancras?
 

I thought the Thameslink station was known as "Kings Cross
Metropolitan" at one point?

Why not Kings Cross AND St. Pancras?
 

On 7 May, 00:28, wrote:
I thought the Thameslink station was known as "Kings Cross
Metropolitan" at one point?

FCC has put a sticker underneath the BR logo, saying just King's Cross
(actually, I think it's Kings Cross) which could surely cause
confusion considering the station is still officially King's Cross
Thameslink.

Jonathan

Why not Kings Cross AND St. Pancras?
 

Jonathan Morris wrote:

FCC has put a sticker underneath the BR logo, saying just King's Cross
(actually, I think it's Kings Cross) which could surely cause
confusion considering the station is still officially King's Cross
Thameslink.

Something needs to be desperately done about stations - not only is FCC's
programme sometime changing station names but the number of times some
stations seem to get repainted in the new company colours is getting silly.

And are there any rules on the timetables that must be stocked? When I was
commuting to school from Epsom I always found it irritating that the
relevant South West Trains timetable was never available and the South
Central staff never cared.