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Edward Cowling London UK June 8th 07 06:44 PM

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Thankfully in 40 plus years of travelling around London this is only the
second time someones tried to get my wallet and both times they failed.

I got on the 8:06 Richmond train out of Highbury & Islington this
morning and as usual it was packed. A guy pretending to be half asleep
with what looked like a full backpack in front of him kept leaning on
me, but I thought nothing of it. Luckily I have velcro on my pockets
flaps and I felt it being pulled and I then looked down to see his
fingers pulling at my pockets. I pushed his hands away and he did a big
waking up, not really knowing what was going on routine. He looked
awkward until the train came into Gospel Oak, where he got off and ran
up the platform. I did notice the rucksack was in fact empty and he'd
folded it over to make a hollow half football shape to hide his hands.

He was in his early 20's, about 6 foot tall and quite thin. Pretty
scruffy in trainers, jeans and a blue T shirt. Short dark hair with a
spotty face and really strong East European features.

So watch your valuables on the East London Line, the vermin pick pockets
are about !!

--
Edward Cowling "Must Go - For He Is The Kwisatz Haderach"



Adrian June 8th 07 07:36 PM

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On Jun 8, 11:44 am, Edward Cowling London UK
wrote:
Thankfully in 40 plus years of travelling around London this is only the
second time someones tried to get my wallet and both times they failed.

I got on the 8:06 Richmond train out of Highbury & Islington this
morning and as usual it was packed. A guy pretending to be half asleep
with what looked like a full backpack in front of him kept leaning on
me, but I thought nothing of it. Luckily I have velcro on my pockets
flaps and I felt it being pulled and I then looked down to see his
fingers pulling at my pockets. I pushed his hands away and he did a big
waking up, not really knowing what was going on routine. He looked
awkward until the train came into Gospel Oak, where he got off and ran
up the platform. I did notice the rucksack was in fact empty and he'd
folded it over to make a hollow half football shape to hide his hands.

He was in his early 20's, about 6 foot tall and quite thin. Pretty
scruffy in trainers, jeans and a blue T shirt. Short dark hair with a
spotty face and really strong East European features.

So watch your valuables on the East London Line, the vermin pick pockets
are about !!

--
Edward Cowling "Must Go - For He Is The Kwisatz Haderach"


You failed to retain his testicles. Now he can breed more scum


David of Broadway June 8th 07 09:34 PM

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Edward Cowling London UK wrote:

Thankfully in 40 plus years of travelling around London this is only the
second time someones tried to get my wallet and both times they failed.

I got on the 8:06 Richmond train out of Highbury & Islington this
morning and as usual it was packed. A guy pretending to be half asleep
with what looked like a full backpack in front of him kept leaning on
me, but I thought nothing of it. Luckily I have velcro on my pockets
flaps and I felt it being pulled and I then looked down to see his
fingers pulling at my pockets. I pushed his hands away and he did a big
waking up, not really knowing what was going on routine. He looked
awkward until the train came into Gospel Oak, where he got off and ran
up the platform. I did notice the rucksack was in fact empty and he'd
folded it over to make a hollow half football shape to hide his hands.

He was in his early 20's, about 6 foot tall and quite thin. Pretty
scruffy in trainers, jeans and a blue T shirt. Short dark hair with a
spotty face and really strong East European features.

So watch your valuables on the East London Line, the vermin pick pockets
are about !!


By the last paragraph he apparently managed to turn your map sideways!
--
David of Broadway
New York, NY, USA

Edward Cowling London UK June 8th 07 11:17 PM

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In message . com,
Adrian writes

So watch your valuables on the East London Line, the vermin pick pockets
are about !!

--
Edward Cowling "Must Go - For He Is The Kwisatz Haderach"


You failed to retain his testicles. Now he can breed more scum


Everyone at work said the same and I was carrying a hefty umbrella. But
when it happens you realise no one else is aware of what happened and
you're going to be bashing the crap out of a stranger with no apparent
motive.

--
Edward Cowling "Must Go - For He Is The Kwisatz Haderach"



Edward Cowling London UK June 8th 07 11:19 PM

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In message , David of Broadway
writes
Edward Cowling London UK wrote:

Thankfully in 40 plus years of travelling around London this is only
the second time someones tried to get my wallet and both times they
failed.
I got on the 8:06 Richmond train out of Highbury & Islington this
morning and as usual it was packed. A guy pretending to be half asleep
with what looked like a full backpack in front of him kept leaning on
but I thought nothing of it. Luckily I have velcro on my pockets
flaps and I felt it being pulled and I then looked down to see his
fingers pulling at my pockets. I pushed his hands away and he did a
big waking up, not really knowing what was going on routine. He
looked awkward until the train came into Gospel Oak, where he got off
and ran up the platform. I did notice the rucksack was in fact empty
and he'd folded it over to make a hollow half football shape to hide his hands.
He was in his early 20's, about 6 foot tall and quite thin. Pretty
scruffy in trainers, jeans and a blue T shirt. Short dark hair with a
spotty face and really strong East European features.
So watch your valuables on the East London Line, the vermin pick
pockets are about !!


By the last paragraph he apparently managed to turn your map sideways!


Sorry North London Line.... I'm sure the East London line is chock full
of Nuns, Saints and little boys who are always polite to their Mums :-)

--
Edward Cowling "Must Go - For He Is The Kwisatz Haderach"



Edward Cowling London UK June 8th 07 11:23 PM

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In message ,
writes
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:44:16 +0100, Edward Cowling London UK
wrote:


So watch your valuables on the East London Line, the vermin pick pockets
are about !!


I have always watched my valuables no matter which area of London I
happened to be in, I never relax in London and I am always pleased
when I am boarding the 17.45 out of Euston to come back up north .


Saying that I did once pay the fare of a young and fairly distressed
young oriental girl who was being given a hard time by a ticket
inspector on a train from Oxford into London. All my friends told me I
was a fool and I'd never see the money again.

A few weeks later I got a letter from her enclosing the money. So I try
not to be completely cynical....... but I do know what you mean.

--
Edward Cowling "Must Go - For He Is The Kwisatz Haderach"



James Farrar June 9th 07 12:16 AM

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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:40:21 +0100, wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:44:16 +0100, Edward Cowling London UK
wrote:


So watch your valuables on the East London Line, the vermin pick pockets
are about !!


I have always watched my valuables no matter which area of London I
happened to be in, I never relax in London and I am always pleased
when I am boarding the 17.45 out of Euston to come back up north .


So are we.

Can you board the 17.45 away from utl, please?

Bob Wood June 9th 07 10:09 AM

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In ,
Edward Cowling London UK typed:

In message . com,
Adrian writes


So watch your valuables on the East London Line, the vermin pick
pockets are about !!



You failed to retain his testicles. Now he can breed more scum



Everyone at work said the same and I was carrying a hefty umbrella.
But when it happens you realise no one else is aware of what happened
and you're going to be bashing the crap out of a stranger with no
apparent motive.



But presumably you made the police aware of what had happened by
reporting the incident



--
Bob



Edward Cowling London UK June 9th 07 11:28 AM

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In message , Bob Wood
writes
In ,
Edward Cowling London UK typed:

In message . com,
Adrian writes


So watch your valuables on the East London Line, the vermin pick
pockets are about !!



You failed to retain his testicles. Now he can breed more scum



Everyone at work said the same and I was carrying a hefty umbrella.
But when it happens you realise no one else is aware of what happened
and you're going to be bashing the crap out of a stranger with no
apparent motive.



But presumably you made the police aware of what had happened by
reporting the incident

When I was burgled a few years back the police turned up next morning. A
lone officer who was told it was a car theft !

As I'd lost nothing I decided life was too short to fill in pointless
forms on the Transport Police website. What action do you think they
would take ? Tick another box on this months statistics ?

Sadly we're living in an age where we have to look after each other.

--
Edward Cowling "Must Go - For He Is The Kwisatz Haderach"



Paula June 9th 07 12:33 PM

Fascinating!!

I have lived in East London for nearly 20 years and the closest I've come to being mugged was in Spalding, Lincolnshire on a visit to my childhood home area!!!!

Paula

Edward Cowling London UK June 9th 07 01:04 PM

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In message , Paula
writes

I have lived in East London for nearly 20 years and the closest I've
come to being mugged was in Spalding, Lincolnshire on a visit to my
childhood home area!!!!


I've heard a few mugging stories and many seem to consist of a large
drunk asking for a pound in an aggressive manner. Hell, in North London
that's considered polite behaviour :-)

I feel safe on the streets of London, I feel sage on the NLL, I just get
really angry when people try to steal my hard earned cash.

--
Edward Cowling "Must Go - Tony Blair says he's not going !"



Dr Ivan D. Reid June 9th 07 01:37 PM

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On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:17:46 +0100, Edward Cowling London UK

wrote in :
In message . com,
Adrian writes


So watch your valuables on the East[sic] London Line, the vermin pick pockets
are about !!


You failed to retain his testicles. Now he can breed more scum


Everyone at work said the same and I was carrying a hefty umbrella. But
when it happens you realise no one else is aware of what happened and
you're going to be bashing the crap out of a stranger with no apparent
motive.


I'm told that an errant finger bent backwards loses resistance
beyond a certain point. Done quickly enough you needn't feel guilt; the
perp may feel something else...

--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. ] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

allan tracy June 9th 07 01:49 PM

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But presumably you made the police aware of what had happened by
reporting the incident


When I was burgled a few years back the police turned up next morning. A
lone officer who was told it was a car theft !

As I'd lost nothing I decided life was too short to fill in pointless
forms on the Transport Police website. What action do you think they
would take ? Tick another box on this months statistics ?

Sadly we're living in an age where we have to look after each other.


Round my way, the police hardly turn up, just give you a crime number
for the insurance.

However, without fail, a civilian forensics technician will visit the
scene of the crime and, of course, wonders do they perform.

The reality is that those already known to the police and fully
inserted on the DNA database commit most of the crime. People in that
situation can't so much as fart in a lift anymore and get away with
it.

The problem isn't catching them the problem is what to do with them,
as invariably drugs will be playing a large part in their behaviour.

My magistrate neighbour had some thirty something bloke up before her
the other day for a stealing a 99p pack of bacon from the convenience
store. As she said, "What am I supposed to do with them? Here he is
thirty something and he can't even steal a pack of bacon without
getting caught, it's pathetic."

Drug addicts are out of control in need of treatment but there is
precious little treatment to be had and neither will there be, or
probably should there be, whilst there are waiting lists for hip
operations.

If it's any consolation to you and assuming he was on drugs then he
will surely pay a far higher price eventually (pretty soon usually)
than anything the law can throw at him.


Edward Cowling London UK June 9th 07 02:27 PM

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In message om, allan
tracy writes

If it's any consolation to you and assuming he was on drugs then he
will surely pay a far higher price eventually (pretty soon usually)
than anything the law can throw at him.

Thinking about it he was far scruffier than if he was going on a
building site for the day and his face was covered in spots. Perhaps
this is his way of feeding a habit.

Personally I'd like to see all drugs dreciminalised for adult use. It
would stop the crooks making fortunes, and stop people needing to steal
quite so much to afford them.

--
Edward Cowling "Must Go - Tony Blair says he's not going !"



Edward Cowling London UK June 9th 07 02:30 PM

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In message , Dr Ivan D. Reid
writes
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:17:46 +0100, Edward Cowling London UK

wrote in :
In message . com,
Adrian writes


So watch your valuables on the East[sic] London Line, the vermin
pick pockets
are about !!


You failed to retain his testicles. Now he can breed more scum


Everyone at work said the same and I was carrying a hefty umbrella. But
when it happens you realise no one else is aware of what happened and
you're going to be bashing the crap out of a stranger with no apparent
motive.


I'm told that an errant finger bent backwards loses resistance
beyond a certain point. Done quickly enough you needn't feel guilt; the
perp may feel something else...

It is funny when this sort of thing happens. We all like to feel we'd
behave in some macho, but ultimately heroic way :-)

I just looked at him, looking uncomfortable for about 30 seconds until
the train pulled into Gospel Oak. Jamming my brolly into him just seemed
inappropriate for some reason. Maybe that's what these guys rely on,
civilised people playing by the rules ?

--
Edward Cowling "Must Go - Tony Blair says he's not going !"



Edward Cowling London UK June 9th 07 02:53 PM

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In message ,
writes
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:28:39 +0100, Edward Cowling London UK
wrote:

Sadly we're living in an age where we have to look after each other.


Sadly Edward we can't even do what you are suggesting if I am passing
your house and some ******* is just climbing in through a window I
can't grab him and smash his head to pulp which is what should happen,
oh no if I did that the damned pigs would be there in seconds had I
just reported the fact that a robbery was about to take place they
would call on you in two or three days time and if you couldn't
provide them with a name ,description, and what the guy had for
breakfast on his 21st birthday you would get " can't do much about it
sir we shall be on our way " .


Despite being angry I can't really say I approve of vigilante action, as
it always seems to be the innocent who get hurt. Remember all those
idiots driving paediatricians out of town ? :-)

It's just that when I was burgled I was inundated by bits of paper from
the police all about my rights, who I could talk to, and what they
intended to do. Yes I was kept informed but I would have preferred if
all the energy had gone into catching the guy. It all seems to be about
box ticking these days.

--
Edward Cowling "Must Go - Tony Blair says he's not going !"



Axlegrease June 9th 07 03:14 PM

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"Edward Cowling London UK" wrote in message
...

It is funny when this sort of thing happens. We all like to feel we'd
behave in some macho, but ultimately heroic way :-)

I just looked at him, looking uncomfortable for about 30 seconds until the
train pulled into Gospel Oak. Jamming my brolly into him just seemed
inappropriate for some reason. Maybe that's what these guys rely on,
civilised people playing by the rules ?

Saying VERY loudly and clearly, "Oy, Spottyclock! Get your hands outta my
pocket!" makes them very uncomfortable and makes other people take a good
look and remember them.



Chris Johns June 9th 07 07:36 PM

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On Sat, 9 Jun 2007, wrote:

Two years ago a little scrote threw a pot of paint over my car what
did the magistrates do six months custodial sentence four of which
served in the community. On appeal sentence was cut to one month
custodial three weeks to be served in the community with no compen to
be paid , I could quite willingly kick the balls of some of these do


Of course, had you thrown a pot of paint over something of the little
****s of his you'd probably get a few months inside and be forced to pay
50k in compensation.
--
Chris Johns

Richard J. June 9th 07 08:56 PM

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wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:28:39 +0100, Edward Cowling London UK
wrote:

Sadly we're living in an age where we have to look after each
other.


Sadly Edward we can't even do what you are suggesting if I am
passing your house and some ******* is just climbing in through a
window I can't grab him and smash his head to pulp which is what
should happen,


Oh, so you believe that the penalty for burglary should be a violent
death inflicted by whoever witnesses the crime? Even if you make a
mistake and it's the house owner who's lost his key? Thank you, but the
rule of law does have its attractions.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)


Mike June 10th 07 01:35 AM

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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:00:28 +0100, wrote:

I was talking to a dog breeder friend the other
day and she told me she was selling up and moving to Canada and taking
her dogs with her I just said I don't blame you one bit and she
replied this country is total ****e these days .


One less dog breeder in the UK has got to be a good move.

--

John Rowland June 10th 07 11:39 AM

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Edward Cowling London UK wrote:

When I was burgled a few years back the police turned up next
morning. A lone officer who was told it was a car theft !


You should have told the police a disabled person was double-parked outside
your house, they would have had two squad cars around in three minutes.



John Rowland June 10th 07 11:43 AM

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Edward Cowling London UK wrote:

Personally I'd like to see all drugs dreciminalised for adult use. It
would stop the crooks making fortunes, and stop people needing to
steal quite so much to afford them.


And put strichnine in one pack per thousand.



Dr Ivan D. Reid June 10th 07 08:40 PM

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On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 15:30:29 +0100, Edward Cowling London UK

wrote in :
In message , Dr Ivan D. Reid
writes
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:17:46 +0100, Edward Cowling London UK

wrote in :
In message . com,
Adrian writes


So watch your valuables on the East[sic] London Line, the vermin
pick pockets
are about !!


You failed to retain his testicles. Now he can breed more scum


Everyone at work said the same and I was carrying a hefty umbrella. But
when it happens you realise no one else is aware of what happened and
you're going to be bashing the crap out of a stranger with no apparent
motive.


I'm told that an errant finger bent backwards loses resistance
beyond a certain point. Done quickly enough you needn't feel guilt; the
perp may feel something else...


It is funny when this sort of thing happens. We all like to feel we'd
behave in some macho, but ultimately heroic way :-)


I just looked at him, looking uncomfortable for about 30 seconds until
the train pulled into Gospel Oak. Jamming my brolly into him just seemed
inappropriate for some reason. Maybe that's what these guys rely on,
civilised people playing by the rules ?


The only time I was pickpocketed I knew there were pickpockets about,
but not that one was already at my side.

I'd taken the 10 trolleybus from Aeroport de Genève to its
intersection with the 9 bus to CERN on a Sunday afternoon. Not having
done this before, I followed progress on my GPS/PDA, which I slipped into
my top right pocket once I'd determined that I meeded to change one stop
further than the one we were arriving at. One chap got on and stood to my
right (the door was to my left), then a press of East Europeans started on
but one dropped his key in the stairwell and made a great show of looking
for it amongst all the feet. Apparently this let the last of their number
press up against the mark behind the blockage and relieve him of his wallet.
As the scrum cleared I saw this last guy hand a wallet around to the older
guy at the front. So I backed off towards the side of the bus and made
sure my two wallets were covered in my back pockets.

When I got off the trolleybus my PDA was missing...

--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. ] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
GSX600F, RG250WD "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484 JKLO#003, 005
WP7# 3000 LC Unit #2368 (tinlc) UKMC#00009 BOTAFOT#16 UKRMMA#7 (Hon)
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

eastender June 11th 07 08:09 AM

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In article ,
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 02:35:04 +0100, Mike wrote:

On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:00:28 +0100,
wrote:

I was talking to a dog breeder friend the other
day and she told me she was selling up and moving to Canada and taking
her dogs with her I just said I don't blame you one bit and she
replied this country is total ****e these days .


One less dog breeder in the UK has got to be a good move.

That is you opinion Mike for myself I would sooner get rid of the
humans in this country and keep our dogs ,I spent a grand on two
dogs recently and not for the first time in my life either .Money I
would not think of spending on many humans .


The country is 'totally ****e' thanks to all the crap dog owners leave
in parks and pavements.

E.

Stevo June 12th 07 01:25 AM

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John Rowland wrote:
Edward Cowling London UK wrote:

When I was burgled a few years back the police turned up next
morning. A lone officer who was told it was a car theft !


You should have told the police a disabled person was double-parked
outside your house, they would have had two squad cars around in
three minutes.


LOL!

Marra June 18th 07 12:20 PM

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If you want to blame someone for the number of pickpockets then blame
the Blair and Brown government.

People are now so heavily taxed they cant afford to scrape a living.

Labour tax heavily the poor to pay for wars and the rich.




Aaron B June 18th 07 01:35 PM

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"Marra" wrote in message
ps.com...
If you want to blame someone for the number of pickpockets then blame
the Blair and Brown government.

People are now so heavily taxed they cant afford to scrape a living.

Labour tax heavily the poor to pay for wars and the rich.

So we never had pickpockets before 1997?



allan tracy June 18th 07 06:26 PM

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People are now so heavily taxed they cant afford to scrape a living.


TOTAL RUBBISH


Frank Field doesn't think so




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