On 9 Jun, 20:59, asdf wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:44:47 +0100, ocoro02 wrote:
Got some Oyster Travelcard questions.
I need to travel from Twickenham to Wimbledon on South West Trains on a
regular basis.
It looks like I need to buy a zone 5 to a zone 3 travelcard.

You will need a Zones 3-6 Travelcard, if you wish to travel on the
through train service. A 3-5 will only do if you go via Putney and
East Putney.

When I 'renew' or 'recharge' the travelcard for the first time - is
this done by simply pinging your Oyster card on a reader at the
designated pick-up station,

Yes.

Will this work on any reader at the designated station?

I think so, apart from the ones on the ticket machines (if any).

I had to choose Wimbledon as the pick-up station because Twickenham
doesn't provide renew/recharge. I guess I have to pay for the very
first journey on the first day (Twickenham - Wimbledon)?

Yes.

Seems a bit
unfair as I'll be paying for the same journey twice (I've paid for the
travelcard for that day already).

You could cancel the transaction, and do one of the following:

- have the Travelcard season on Oyster delivered to your home
- buy your Travelcard season on Oyster from an Oyster Ticket Stop
(newsagent) in Twickenham (see TfL website for locations)
- buy a paper Travelcard season from the ticket office at Twickenham.

Really depends what route you are going to use.
Zones 3-6 if you take the direct train from Twickenham to Wimbledon.
This isn't a very frequent route and no great saving of time.
But if a train is on the platform then I guess you'r rather take it.

Zones 2-5 you'll take the more frequent trains to Clapham Junction and
then change
to the frequent trains to Wimbledon. Using that route all the time
means you wont risk being labelled a fare dodger if caught in zone 6.

Depending on what you do with your time, having a card with zone 2
will probably be more helpful when you travel into London for leisure.
As you just need to pay the zone 2 to zone 1 extension. Not sure if
having zone 6 is a benefit to you.
Remember you can use the buses in any zone with either of these season
tickets.

As for buying the Oyster. You can buy seasons at a newsagents.
Buying online and nominating a station is a right pain if you don't
live near a station with Oyster. And of course you are stuck if you
don't have a local newsagents nearby or for instance it is not open.

Buses in *any* zone? It's not too clear from the Ts & Cs but would be good

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:35:22 +0100, ocoro02
wrote:


Londoncityslicker Wrote:

Remember you can use the buses in any zone with either of these season
tickets.

Buses in *any* zone? It's not too clear from the Ts & Cs but would be
good

Not would be good but is good. A travelcard valid for say Z23 is valid
on all TfL routes in Greater London and also to the end of those routes
where they cross the boundary - for example to Slough, Dorking, Epsom,
Dartford and Brentwood to name a few. This applies for all Travelcard
combinations and whether for one day or 7 days or longer (season
tickets). In addition validity in 3, 4, 5 or 6 gives validity
throughout the Tramlink network in South London.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...April-2007.pdf

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Londoncityslicker wrote:

Zones 2-5 you'll take the more frequent trains to Clapham Junction and
then change to the frequent trains to Wimbledon.

Precisely. Why go to the Zone 6 backwater when the lovely fast SWT
trains to CLJ connect pretty well with the considerably more grotty SWT
Wimbledon trains.

Also do you *need* a travelcard? My journey to Richmond has a non
travelcard "Not London" fare and season ticket price considerably
cheaper.. I'd consider buying the odd buss pass/bag of saver tickets
when I need them and save a few quid.

mf

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:19:22 +0100, Mystery Flyer wrote:

Zones 2-5 you'll take the more frequent trains to Clapham Junction and
then change to the frequent trains to Wimbledon.

Precisely. Why go to the Zone 6 backwater when the lovely fast SWT
trains to CLJ connect pretty well with the considerably more grotty SWT
Wimbledon trains.

Also do you *need* a travelcard? My journey to Richmond has a non
travelcard "Not London" fare and season ticket price considerably
cheaper.. I'd consider buying the odd buss pass/bag of saver tickets
when I need them and save a few quid.

Unfortunately there is no point-to-point NR season available for this
journey.

However, after a bit of digging, there's one available from Kew
Gardens to Wimbledon at £60.70 for a monthly. Valid routes for this
are Kew Gardens - Richmond - Twickenham - Hounslow - Brentford -
Clapham Junction - Wimbledon (which covers the Twickenham-Richmond
part), and Kew Gardens - Richmond - Mortlake - Clapham Junction -
Wimbledon (which covers the rest).

Technically, it doesn't appear to be valid via Kingston, although a
ticket inspector (who is unlikely to know this) would probably give
you the benefit of the doubt, as it's a fairly 'obvious' route
(because it involves the least number of changes).

asdf wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:19:22 +0100, Mystery Flyer wrote:

Zones 2-5 you'll take the more frequent trains to Clapham Junction and
then change to the frequent trains to Wimbledon.
Precisely. Why go to the Zone 6 backwater when the lovely fast SWT
trains to CLJ connect pretty well with the considerably more grotty SWT
Wimbledon trains.

Also do you *need* a travelcard? My journey to Richmond has a non
travelcard "Not London" fare and season ticket price considerably
cheaper.. I'd consider buying the odd buss pass/bag of saver tickets
when I need them and save a few quid.

Unfortunately there is no point-to-point NR season available for this
journey.

However, after a bit of digging, there's one available from Kew
Gardens to Wimbledon at £60.70 for a monthly. Valid routes for this
are Kew Gardens - Richmond - Twickenham - Hounslow - Brentford -
Clapham Junction - Wimbledon (which covers the Twickenham-Richmond
part), and Kew Gardens - Richmond - Mortlake - Clapham Junction -
Wimbledon (which covers the rest).

Technically, it doesn't appear to be valid via Kingston, although a
ticket inspector (who is unlikely to know this) would probably give
you the benefit of the doubt, as it's a fairly 'obvious' route
(because it involves the least number of changes).

Is it the shortest route? Then it should be allowed.
--
Michael Hoffman

On Jun 13, 9:58 am, Michael Hoffman wrote:
Technically, it doesn't appear to be valid via Kingston, although a
ticket inspector (who is unlikely to know this) would probably give
you the benefit of the doubt, as it's a fairly 'obvious' route
(because it involves the least number of changes).

Is it the shortest route? Then it should be allowed.

According to a recent thread on uk.railway, anything the online
journey planner outputs is a permitted route, and it allows Kew-
Wimbledon via Kingston, so unless the season is specially restricted
it should be valid.

U

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:58:39 +0100, Michael Hoffman wrote:

Unfortunately there is no point-to-point NR season available for this
journey.

However, after a bit of digging, there's one available from Kew
Gardens to Wimbledon at £60.70 for a monthly. Valid routes for this
are Kew Gardens - Richmond - Twickenham - Hounslow - Brentford -
Clapham Junction - Wimbledon (which covers the Twickenham-Richmond
part), and Kew Gardens - Richmond - Mortlake - Clapham Junction -
Wimbledon (which covers the rest).

Technically, it doesn't appear to be valid via Kingston, although a
ticket inspector (who is unlikely to know this) would probably give
you the benefit of the doubt, as it's a fairly 'obvious' route
(because it involves the least number of changes).

Is it the shortest route? Then it should be allowed.

It's not the shortest route. It's 11 miles 40 chains, while the route
via Clapham Junction is 10 miles 37 chains.

On Jun 13, 1:54 am, asdf wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:19:22 +0100, Mystery Flyer wrote:
Zones 2-5 you'll take the more frequent trains to Clapham Junction and
then change to the frequent trains to Wimbledon.

Precisely. Why go to the Zone 6 backwater when the lovely fast SWT
trains to CLJ connect pretty well with the considerably more grotty SWT
Wimbledon trains.

Also do you *need* a travelcard? My journey to Richmond has a non
travelcard "Not London" fare and season ticket price considerably
cheaper.. I'd consider buying the odd buss pass/bag of saver tickets
when I need them and save a few quid.

Unfortunately there is no point-to-point NR season available for this
journey.

However, after a bit of digging, there's one available from Kew
Gardens to Wimbledon at £60.70 for a monthly. Valid routes for this
are Kew Gardens - Richmond - Twickenham - Hounslow - Brentford -
Clapham Junction - Wimbledon (which covers the Twickenham-Richmond
part), and Kew Gardens - Richmond - Mortlake - Clapham Junction -
Wimbledon (which covers the rest).

Technically, it doesn't appear to be valid via Kingston, although a
ticket inspector (who is unlikely to know this) would probably give
you the benefit of the doubt, as it's a fairly 'obvious' route
(because it involves the least number of changes).

Twickenham is gated. So not too sure if a Kew Gardens bought ticket
will open the gates.

Kew Gardens being on the NLL will be joining the zonal fare system
anyway.
So you might find that ticket is not available anymore.

A.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:36:44 -0700, Londoncityslicker wrote:

Unfortunately there is no point-to-point NR season available for this
journey.

However, after a bit of digging, there's one available from Kew
Gardens to Wimbledon at £60.70 for a monthly.

Twickenham is gated. So not too sure if a Kew Gardens bought ticket
will open the gates.

In that case the staff should let the holder through. Refusal would be
a legitimate cause for complaint, although if there's constant hassle
it might not be worth it depending on how keen one is to save a few
quid.

Kew Gardens being on the NLL will be joining the zonal fare system
anyway.
So you might find that ticket is not available anymore.

In that case the fallback option would be a Twickenham to South Merton
season, which is a fair bit pricier at £76.10, but still saves £13.00
on a Z2-5 or Z3-6 Travelcard (and is definitely valid via both
Kingston and Clapham Junction).