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In message , at 11:56:45 on
Sat, 23 Jun 2007, Jack Taylor remarked:
Another opportunity seems to have been missed by not continuing the Corby
trains on, via Manton Junction, to Melton Mowbray and Leicester and then
back to London

Is this perhaps what's meant by the otherwise inscrutable comments that
sending trains through to Corby "removes the need to split and join
trains at Leicester"?
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worrying there is no mention of the voB commuter line to Grantham from
Nottingham

Mike
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 11:56:45 on Sat,
23 Jun 2007, Jack Taylor remarked:
Another opportunity seems to have been missed by not continuing the Corby
trains on, via Manton Junction, to Melton Mowbray and Leicester and then
back to London

Is this perhaps what's meant by the otherwise inscrutable comments that
sending trains through to Corby "removes the need to split and join trains
at Leicester"?
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 21:50:09 on
Sat, 23 Jun 2007, flybywire remarked:
worrying there is no mention of the voB commuter line to Grantham from
Nottingham

Several of the ex-CT lines get "no mention" - the press releases are
almost exclusively about "better things", and they avoid the "business
as usual" lines. But they did say the Nottingham-Liverpools will be
upgraded to four cars, which either means a permanent change at
Nottingham onto the (once through-service) Norwich trains; or will they
join and split a 2+2?

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:13:45 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

Several of the ex-CT lines get "no mention" - the press releases are
almost exclusively about "better things", and they avoid the "business
as usual" lines. But they did say the Nottingham-Liverpools will be
upgraded to four cars, which either means a permanent change at
Nottingham onto the (once through-service) Norwich trains; or will they
join and split a 2+2?

The last time I heard about the plan was that it'd be 2 cars to
Nottingham, then join another 2 from there to Liverpool. The two cars
removed from an incoming service from Liverpool would be shoved out of
the way somewhere then put on the next arrival from Norwich going back
to Liverpool, thus saving a unit diagram or two on the quiet part of
the route.

This wasn't a Stagecoach proposal - I believe the DfT thought it up in
conjunction with CT.

Neil

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:13:45 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

Several of the ex-CT lines get "no mention" - the press releases are
almost exclusively about "better things", and they avoid the "business
as usual" lines. But they did say the Nottingham-Liverpools will be
upgraded to four cars, which either means a permanent change at
Nottingham onto the (once through-service) Norwich trains; or will they
join and split a 2+2?

The last time I heard about the plan was that it'd be 2 cars to
Nottingham, then join another 2 from there to Liverpool. The two cars
removed from an incoming service from Liverpool would be shoved out of
the way somewhere then put on the next arrival from Norwich going back
to Liverpool, thus saving a unit diagram or two on the quiet part of
the route.

This wasn't a Stagecoach proposal - I believe the DfT thought it up in
conjunction with CT.


Isn't this already happening to some extent, hence the ex-TPE units on CT?
So many developments on the railways these days are announced as something
new on several occasions, that I have lost track completely of what is new
and what is spin.

Stagecoach even seems to be taking credit for East Midlands Parkway,
although, yes, it will be the first TOC to use the station. Sad for MML
that, as it was their idea all those years ago.

David

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In message , at 15:19:42 on Sun,
24 Jun 2007, Neil Williams remarked:
Several of the ex-CT lines get "no mention" - the press releases are
almost exclusively about "better things", and they avoid the "business
as usual" lines. But they did say the Nottingham-Liverpools will be
upgraded to four cars, which either means a permanent change at
Nottingham onto the (once through-service) Norwich trains; or will they
join and split a 2+2?

The last time I heard about the plan was that it'd be 2 cars to
Nottingham, then join another 2 from there to Liverpool. The two cars
removed from an incoming service from Liverpool would be shoved out of
the way somewhere then put on the next arrival from Norwich going back
to Liverpool, thus saving a unit diagram or two on the quiet part of
the route.

This wasn't a Stagecoach proposal - I believe the DfT thought it up in
conjunction with CT.

Yes, that was one proposed scheme I'm sure, but doesn't quite tally with
other reports of the transfer of ex-TPX 158's specifically for the
Nottingham-Liverpool route (ironic that it was TPX who lost the rights
to have the service transferred to them!)
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Roland Perry

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In message , at 15:31:26 on
Sun, 24 Jun 2007, David Thornhill remarked:
Stagecoach even seems to be taking credit for East Midlands Parkway,
although, yes, it will be the first TOC to use the station. Sad for MML
that, as it was their idea all those years ago.

As they haven't started building it yet, I'm not especially pro-MML as a
driving force to get that station going. And with only 2tph advertised
by Stagecoach, a bit of a white elephant in practice, I fear.
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in
:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message .com,
at 18:29:42 on Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Philip
remarked:
I thought the DfT specified that Nottingham fasts include a Derby
portion that would be split off at Leicester. Surely not a good idea
due to reduced capcity for Nottingham in particular. Is this still
proposed?

One of the announcements say that this will no longer happen, but
inexplicably claims it's because of the new Kettering/Corby service.

In terms of capacity issues, the trains to/from Nottingham don't seem
to be very full; it's further south that the problems arise in the
rush hours.

Another opportunity seems to have been missed by not continuing the
Corby trains on, via Manton Junction, to Melton Mowbray and Leicester
and then back to London via Market Harborough, to provide some relief
to the overcrowding (especially severe in and around the peaks)
between Melton and Leicester and to provide direct journey
opportunities between Corby and Leicester. Alternate hours clockwise
and anti-clockwise could bring in some more revenue for very minimal
outlay - unless the time constraints don't fit with the clockface
pattern.

Absolutely! Why, oh, why terminate at Corby, why not run most / some /
all services on to Melton Mowbray? What have the people of Melton done
to deserve being ignored in this way?
Surely it can't be to do with paths - or is it more to do with platform
length at Melton (can't say I've ever been on the station there)?

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Mike the unimaginative wrote:

Absolutely! Why, oh, why terminate at Corby, why not run most / some /
all services on to Melton Mowbray? What have the people of Melton done
to deserve being ignored in this way?
Surely it can't be to do with paths - or is it more to do with
platform length at Melton (can't say I've ever been on the station
there)?

Assuming that they are using four- or five-car Meridians it shouldn't be a
problem, AFAIK.

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In message , at 19:07:13 on Sun, 24
Jun 2007, Mike the unimaginative remarked:
Why, oh, why terminate at Corby, why not run most / some /
all services on to Melton Mowbray?

What's the track like (speed and single/double)?

What have the people of Melton done to deserve being ignored in this
way?

Subcontract most of their Pork Pie manufacturing to a trading estate on
the edge of Leicester?

Surely it can't be to do with paths - or is it more to do with platform
length at Melton (can't say I've ever been on the station there)?

I've been there and it's neither memorably long nor short. Should be
plenty of room for a 4/5 car Meridian.
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Roland Perry