On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:08:46 +0100, asdf
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:00:54 GMT, Jack Taylor wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, but what signaling problems would affect the use
of SDO, such as not releasing the doors in the rear coach?

Sorry, I wasn't very clear on that, was I? Willesden Junction will only hold
three cars.

...in the eastbound direction. The westbound platform is long enough
for 4 cars.

Looking at the real station rather than Quail, the westbound platform
holds about 3.5 coaches (313 length) and then the front of the train
would be beyond the (down) signal. So lengthening the platform will
be necessary.

Incidentally it looks as though the eastbound platform was originally
about the same length, extending on to the DC line bridge, but has
since been shortened.

Which coaches were short enough that 4 of them would fit in here -
class 501 perhaps??
--
Peter Lawrence

"Peter Lawrence" wrote

Which coaches were short enough that 4 of them would fit in here -
class 501 perhaps??

Weren't 501s 3-car sets? After them, there was a period when 2EPBs were
used, but AFAIK they were only used as 2-car trains on the NLL. 6-car 501s
were used on the Broad Street - Watford Junction route, but they used
Willesden Junction New, not HL.

Peter

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:18:34 +0100, "Peter Masson"
wrote:


"Peter Lawrence" wrote

Which coaches were short enough that 4 of them would fit in here -
class 501 perhaps??

Weren't 501s 3-car sets? After them, there was a period when 2EPBs were
used, but AFAIK they were only used as 2-car trains on the NLL. 6-car 501s
were used on the Broad Street - Watford Junction route, but they used
Willesden Junction New, not HL.

501s were 3-coach sets of "sawn-off" 57ft stock as were their LMS
predecessors (and the original LNWR stock?).

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:18:34 +0100, "Peter Masson"
wrote:


Weren't 501s 3-car sets? After them, there was a period when 2EPBs were
used, but AFAIK they were only used as 2-car trains on the NLL. 6-car 501s
were used on the Broad Street - Watford Junction route, but they used
Willesden Junction New, not HL.

They were also used Broad Street to Richmond in the peaks, as was the
previous stock (GEC and Oerlikon RIP).


--
Bill Hayles
http://www.rossrail.com

Peter Lawrence wrote:

Which coaches were short enough that 4 of them would fit in here -
class 501 perhaps??

The 501s were also three-car sets. There were, of course, the 2-car 2-EPBs
(class 416) in the interim - I don't remember any booked four car formations
BICBW.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:12:53 GMT, "Jack Taylor"
wrote:

Peter Lawrence wrote:

Which coaches were short enough that 4 of them would fit in here -
class 501 perhaps??

The 501s were also three-car sets. There were, of course, the 2-car 2-EPBs
(class 416) in the interim - I don't remember any booked four car formations
BICBW.

IIRC the 2-EPBs were 63ft coaches. As a number of NLL platforms had
been shortened some years previously to leave only enough sound
structure for 3x57ft 501s and some of those ex-platform areas had new
structures within them there would have been difficulty in using
2x2EPBs at many stations.

On Jul 11, 3:49 pm, Charles Ellson wrote:


On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:12:53 GMT, "Jack Taylor"
wrote:
(class 416) in the interim - I don't remember any booked four car formations
BICBW.

structures within them there would have been difficulty in using
2x2EPBs at many stations.

nickpick at extreme levels of nit-pickery

For the 1988 Docklands concert of Jean Michel Jarre the NLL ran 4 car
trains of both 2x2EPB and 4EPB.

/ nickpick at extreme levels of nit-pickery

)

Unable to resist posting that.



--
Nick

D7666 wrote:

For the 1988 Docklands concert of Jean Michel Jarre the NLL ran 4 car
trains of both 2x2EPB and 4EPB.

Unable to resist posting that.

I didn't ride the EPBs but I was at the gig! It peed down for most of the
evening and it required a mega-move after the gig, by coach back to Reading,
up to Harrogate for a few hours kip (aquaplaning up the M1) and then across
to York for my god-daughter's christening the following morning. Then back
down south that night.

On Jul 12, 3:12 pm, "Jack Taylor" wrote:

I didn't ride the EPBs but I was at the gig!

Ditto.

--
Nick

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, D7666 wrote:

On Jul 11, 3:49 pm, Charles Ellson wrote:


On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:12:53 GMT, "Jack Taylor"
wrote:

(class 416) in the interim - I don't remember any booked four car formations
BICBW.

structures within them there would have been difficulty in using
2x2EPBs at many stations.

nickpick at extreme levels of nit-pickery

For the 1988 Docklands concert of Jean Michel Jarre the NLL ran 4 car
trains of both 2x2EPB and 4EPB.

Best fact ever!

tom

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