On Jul 22, 3:55 am, "John Tattersall"
wrote:

scenarios do allow for covering the existing 377/2 duties - and
375/6s.

Presumably the 375/6s are displaced by the Hitachi "Javelin" sets in SET's
fleet, which might also explain why some of the SET 508 fleet is apparently
to be overhauled.

The other question is what happens to Southern's Watford service - transfer
to FCC, or are the extra 12 sets ordered from Bombardier to be dual-voltage?

You are on the right tracks on components parts of some of the
rumours.

However, there were several permutations, none are confirmed, and some
conflict, and I don't want to post any of them yet .

--
Nick

On 22 Jul, 21:12, D7666 wrote:
On Jul 22, 3:55 am, "John Tattersall"
wrote:

scenarios do allow for covering the existing 377/2 duties - and
375/6s.
Presumably the 375/6s are displaced by the Hitachi "Javelin" sets in SET's
fleet, which might also explain why some of the SET 508 fleet is apparently
to be overhauled.

The other question is what happens to Southern's Watford service - transfer
to FCC, or are the extra 12 sets ordered from Bombardier to be dual-voltage?

You are on the right tracks on components parts of some of the
rumours.

However, there were several permutations, none are confirmed, and some
conflict, and I don't want to post any of them yet .

--
Nick

One of the supporting documents for the HLOS mentions the following
permutation which could impact on the requirement for 375/6s.

From page 8 of the NMF/HLOS Evidence Pack - NMF Baseline Timetable
(2009/10):

http://www.dft.gov.uk/about/strategy...mfspecimenhlos

"The following changes were made to the allocation of rolling stock:
* The IKF class 376 fleet was increased by 30 vehicles by increasing
train length from five-car to six-car; and
* Ten additional 3-car class 508s were transferred to Merseyrail from
IKF"

I haven't seen this suggested anywhere else in discussion forums but
would presumably institute a rolling-stock cascade on the IKF
franchise. Why not 36 coaches for 36 376 units and 12 508s then
spare?

Jonathan

wrote:


"The following changes were made to the allocation of rolling stock:
* The IKF class 376 fleet was increased by 30 vehicles by increasing
train length from five-car to six-car; and
* Ten additional 3-car class 508s were transferred to Merseyrail from
IKF"

I haven't seen this suggested anywhere else in discussion forums but
would presumably institute a rolling-stock cascade on the IKF
franchise. Why not 36 coaches for 36 376 units and 12 508s then
spare?


Although there are twelve 508s in the south-east, two of them are never
likely to run again. I had presumed that this accounted for the
difference in the numbers. No 508s will be remaining with SET.








--
Bob

On 25 Jul, 10:36, "Bob Wood" wrote:
wrote:
"The following changes were made to the allocation of rolling stock:
* The IKF class 376 fleet was increased by 30 vehicles by increasing
train length from five-car to six-car; and
* Ten additional 3-car class 508s were transferred to Merseyrail from
IKF"

I haven't seen this suggested anywhere else in discussion forums but
would presumably institute a rolling-stock cascade on the IKF
franchise. Why not 36 coaches for 36 376 units and 12 508s then
spare?

Although there are twelve 508s in the south-east, two of them are never
likely to run again. I had presumed that this accounted for the
difference in the numbers. No 508s will be remaining with SET.

--
Bob

508 212 is obviously unlikely to run again - which is the other? 204?
How does this cascade work anway? 376s are extended to run 6 or 12
coach trains - presumably this only frees up 465s/466s to displace
375s and hence 508s if the service is thinned at the same time.

Alternatively, is it more about leasing costs - the cost of the extra
class 376 carriages is offset by releasing the 508s. The 375s to
directly replace 508s in service come from the introduction of 395s.
At the same time, will 12-coach networker finally happen?

Jonathan

On Jul 24, 3:50 pm, wrote:

One of the supporting documents for the HLOS mentions the following
permutation which could impact on the requirement for 375/6s.

From page 8 of the NMF/HLOS Evidence Pack - NMF Baseline Timetable

(2009/10):

http://www.dft.gov.uk/about/strategy...apercm7176/rai...

"The following changes were made to the allocation of rolling stock:
* The IKF class 376 fleet was increased by 30 vehicles by increasing
train length from five-car to six-car; and
* Ten additional 3-car class 508s were transferred to Merseyrail from
IKF"



I read the 376 there as a typo for 395 - because of the 508 statement,
they are talking about what has happened, not what will happen.

--
Nick