At 11:25:17 on Fri, 3 Aug 2007 Paul Scott opined:-


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The government must tackle infrastructure problems
Published: August 2 2007 20:02 | Last updated: August 2 2007 20:02
Only in Britain would people think the chance of securing a new train
line to be the chief virtue of hosting the Olympics.
Now, completion of the east-west Crossrail link before the 2012 Games
remains in doubt.

There's an understatement - look at the timescales from now for the ELLX ,
late 2010? - or Thameslink phase 1, 2011?? The outstanding work in both
cases is comparatively trivial compared to Crossrail, surely...

I seem to remember that, even before that disastrous day when London was
awarded the Olympics, it was stated that Crossrail would not be
completed before 1913. Why didn't they go for the 1916 Olympics?
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Thoss

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:44:18 +0100, thoss wrote:

Only in Britain would people think the chance of securing a new train
line to be the chief virtue of hosting the Olympics.
Now, completion of the east-west Crossrail link before the 2012 Games
remains in doubt.

There's an understatement - look at the timescales from now for the ELLX ,
late 2010? - or Thameslink phase 1, 2011?? The outstanding work in both
cases is comparatively trivial compared to Crossrail, surely...

I seem to remember that, even before that disastrous day when London was
awarded the Olympics, it was stated that Crossrail would not be
completed before 1913. Why didn't they go for the 1916 Olympics?

Your brain seems to be suffering from the millennium bug.

And yes, it has been the case for a number of years that the project
could not have been completed before 2013.

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:57:01 +0100, Graham Harrison wrote:

AIUI, there won't be a huge amount of track-sharing. Crossrail gets
exclusive use of the slow tracks on the GWML, although it'll share with
HEx from Airport Junction to Heathrow Central.

What happens to GWML freight? Surely it won't use the fast lines -
will it all be sent round via Staines?

I got the same idea as Tom from various press reports. They are wrong. I
don't know what will happen to freight but, at the very least, I expect the
Mendip stone trains to continue. There will also be a two train per hour
service Reading/Twyford/Maidenhead/Slough/Hayes/Ealing/Paddington and
another two trains all stations Reading to Slough according to recent
letters in the Maidenhead Advertiser.

This service pattern, of course, is only part of the plan for if
Crossrail ends at Maidenhead.

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At 11:25:17 on Fri, 3 Aug 2007 Paul Scott opined:-


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The government must tackle infrastructure problems
Published: August 2 2007 20:02 | Last updated: August 2 2007 20:02
Only in Britain would people think the chance of securing a new train
line to be the chief virtue of hosting the Olympics.
Now, completion of the east-west Crossrail link before the 2012 Games
remains in doubt.

There's an understatement - look at the timescales from now for the ELLX ,
late 2010? - or Thameslink phase 1, 2011?? The outstanding work in both
cases is comparatively trivial compared to Crossrail, surely...

I seem to remember that, even before that disastrous day when London was
awarded the Olympics, it was stated that Crossrail would not be
completed before 1913. Why didn't they go for the 1916 Olympics?

It was cancelled due to WW1 IIRC...

Paul

On Aug 3, 4:54 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
AIUI, there won't be a huge amount of track-sharing. Crossrail gets
exclusive use of the slow tracks on the GWML, although it'll share with
HEx from Airport Junction to Heathrow Central.

From the opening of the committee on Jan 2006:
"On the Great Western main line Crossrail will share the slow or so-
called relief lines with freight and complementary passenger services
to Reading. The intercity services and Heathrow will continue to use
the fast or main lines during normal operation."
http://www.publications.parliament.u...-i/uc83702.htm

I don't think things have changed. The other services are all stops
Reading-Slough, plus the Reading-Paddington semi-fast is meant to have
same-platform interchange at Ealing Broadway, which means relief
lines.

U

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"Tom Anderson" wrote

AIUI, there won't be a huge amount of track-sharing. Crossrail gets
exclusive use of the slow tracks on the GWML, although it'll share with
HEx from Airport Junction to Heathrow Central.

AIUI Crossrail won't have exclusive use of the Relief Lines - freight and,
if Crossrail terminates at Maidenhead, a Paddington - (intermediate stops) -
Maidenhead - Twyford - Reading service will continue, though Crossrail will
be able to dictate the paths other operators may use. Provision of a
diveunder at Acton (for freight joining from Acton Wells or Acton Yard) is
indicative that freight will continue to use teh Relief Lines.

Peter

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Graham Harrison wrote:

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On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:54:34 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote:

....... - Crossrail has unlike Thameslink not been designed as an
equivalent RER but merely a full gauge fast tube.- Hide quoted text -

I'm not sure this view is correct. Surely the way Crossrail trains will
be sharing tracks on existing routes to Maidenhead, Shenfield and Abbey
Wood, is just like Thameslink; the only main difference is their central
London tunnel will be new, not secondhand...

AIUI, there won't be a huge amount of track-sharing. Crossrail gets
exclusive use of the slow tracks on the GWML, although it'll share with
HEx from Airport Junction to Heathrow Central.

What happens to GWML freight? Surely it won't use the fast lines -
will it all be sent round via Staines?

I got the same idea as Tom from various press reports. They are wrong.

I got the idea from one of the rail study reports - but as i established
in another thread, those are also wrong!

There will also be a two train per hour service
Reading/Twyford/Maidenhead/Slough/Hayes/Ealing/Paddington and another
two trains all stations Reading to Slough according to recent letters in
the Maidenhead Advertiser.

Letters from someone authoritative, i take it?

Regardless, Thanters' quote from the select committee says the same thing,
and that's as authoritative as it gets (apart from Clive, of course).

tom

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"Tom Anderson" wrote

AIUI, there won't be a huge amount of track-sharing. Crossrail gets
exclusive use of the slow tracks on the GWML, although it'll share with
HEx from Airport Junction to Heathrow Central.

AIUI Crossrail won't have exclusive use of the Relief Lines - freight and,
if Crossrail terminates at Maidenhead, a Paddington - (intermediate
stops) -
Maidenhead - Twyford - Reading service will continue, though Crossrail
will
be able to dictate the paths other operators may use. Provision of a
diveunder at Acton (for freight joining from Acton Wells or Acton Yard) is
indicative that freight will continue to use teh Relief Lines.


This map was pointed out recently on ORR site, gives a fair idea of the
impact of crossrail on the existing lines...

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...le_line_GW.pdf

Paul

thoss wrote:
At 11:25:17 on Fri, 3 Aug 2007 Paul Scott opined:-

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7c1a3e0a-412...0779fd2ac.html

The government must tackle infrastructure problems
Published: August 2 2007 20:02 | Last updated: August 2 2007 20:02
Only in Britain would people think the chance of securing a new train
line to be the chief virtue of hosting the Olympics.
Now, completion of the east-west Crossrail link before the 2012 Games
remains in doubt.
There's an understatement - look at the timescales from now for the ELLX ,
late 2010? - or Thameslink phase 1, 2011?? The outstanding work in both
cases is comparatively trivial compared to Crossrail, surely...

I seem to remember that, even before that disastrous day when London was
awarded the Olympics, it was stated that Crossrail would not be
completed before 1913. Why didn't they go for the 1916 Olympics?

Berlin was in line for that, but there was a problem with the wrong sort
of kaiser.

AIUI there was no plan to complete Crossrail by 2012, but people just
assumed it would be done by then, and perhaps Crossrail's backers didn't
do all they could to dispel the impression many people had got.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

This map was pointed out recently on ORR site, gives a fair idea of the
impact of crossrail on the existing lines...

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...le_line_GW.pdf

Interesting!

Just west of the portal is a feature comprising a plethora of crossovers,
a two-track siding, through lines and a platform around the whole lot. I
assume this is the famous Westbourne Park turnback siding. I read recently
that it would be possible for passengers to be turned off the train here;
i assume that's what the platform's for. However, the map makes it look
like there will be platform faces on the through lines as well. Is this
then, in effect, a station? Just one where no trains will stop?

tom

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