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"lonelytraveller" wrote in message ups.com... On 8 Oct, 21:30, Abigail Brady wrote: On Oct 8, 8:04 pm, lonelytraveller However, if they stay on their Thameslink train from Stevenage or King's Lynn, they will be able to change onto Crossrail at Farringdon and head westwards then. -- Abi After having headed eastwards about a mile further than they needed to go. So what? I regularly take a massive detour via Oxford Circus on a tube journey from Warwick Avenue to Victoria. If you were doing that journey above ground it would be an insane route to take. If you're doing the journey by tube it would be insane to go any other way. I did wonder what the Underground map will look like post-Crossrail - assuming it gets incorporated. The eastern side of zone 1 is going to look very different. D A Stocks |
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I did wonder what the Underground map will look like post-Crossrail - assuming it gets incorporated. The eastern side of zone 1 is going to look very different. D A Stocks Here's somebody's go at it for 2025: http://www.campaignforcrossrail.com/...fL_trnsprt.pdf - it looks like it's official - although it may be optimistic about a few things... and it still includes the, now cancelled, West London Tram |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:15:24 -0700, inka kola
wrote: I did wonder what the Underground map will look like post-Crossrail - assuming it gets incorporated. The eastern side of zone 1 is going to look very different. D A Stocks Here's somebody's go at it for 2025: http://www.campaignforcrossrail.com/...fL_trnsprt.pdf - it looks like it's official - although it may be optimistic about a few things... and it still includes the, now cancelled, West London Tram Interestingly changing the main x-axis of the map to a non-Tube line for the first time... And the treatment of Crossrail to Heathrow is intriguing, considering recent discussions on which terminals it will call at... |
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On Oct 9, 5:15 pm, inka kola wrote:
Here's somebody's go at it for 2025:http://www.campaignforcrossrail.com/...ve_tfL_trnsprt... - it looks like it's official - although it may be optimistic about a few things... and it still includes the, now cancelled, West London Tram Hold the presses printing that map! Like the expansive Scottish railway expansion plans it looks like a degree of prioritisation is going to have to be applied. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...nes/article.do quote Crossrail to halt new lines Ross Lydall, City Hall Editor 09.10.07 At least three major London transport projects are likely to be put on ice as a result of Crossrail being given the go-ahead. Passengers also face long-term fare rises, Mayor Ken Livingstone admitted today. Money the Government would normally give to the capital will instead be directed towards the £16billion high-speed line, linking Heathrow with the City, Canary Wharf and beyond. Projects unlikely to proceed include a spur of the East London Line to Clapham Junction, the extension of the Croydon Tram-link to Crystal Palace, and the proposed Docklands Light Railway route linking Barking Riverside and Dagenham. Another fear is that Transport for London may not receive all the money it needs to compensate for the collapse of Tube maintenance consortium Metronet. TfL has set aside about £1billion to keep the Tube running while the Metronet contracts are retendered. The Mayor said the Government was providing almost £5.5billion towards the cost of Crossrail, which is due to be completed in 2018. The rest is being split between the Mayor, using projected income from premium fares, and business. He said the scale of the financial "black hole" caused by the collapse of Metronet would not be fully apparent until February or March. "All our projects we wish to do up until 2010 we have the funding for," he said. "Things we would have liked to do after 2010, most notably the West London Tram, there is no question of being able to do that." By law, fares linked to travelcards have to rise by one per cent above inflation each year. Mr Livingstone said there would not be an immediate increase as a result of Crossrail but he could not rule this out after 2010. He said: "I would be lying to you if I didn't think there would be some pressure on fares." Under the deal struck with the Government, TfL will bear the risk of building Crossrail. Mr Livingstone said he expected to have an "intense debate" with BAA about the possible integration of the Heathrow Express into the line unquote http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ars/article.do quote Wrangle over cash could delay Crossrail spur by three years Joe Murphy and Jason Beattie, Evening Standard 08.10.07 A wrangle over money has hit a section of Crossrail, leading to claims that part of the project may be delayed. Government departments are arguing over funding for the spur to Abbey Wood, south-east London, which will connect Woolwich, Custom House and the Isle of Dogs to the £16 billion line. A committee of MPs is to investigate claims that one "solution" being considered is a three-year delay to the spur, which would mean the South-East being cut off from Crossrail until 2020. The threat came as ministers were warned they faced a backlash from small firms if they were forced to pay over the odds to fund the scheme. Members of the Crossrail Bill committee will question officials tonight and tomorrow to discover how serious the funding crisis is. A committee source warned: "If they are thinking of a delay, we won't stand for it. Members will be asking questions of Crossrail and officials to get to the bottom of this." Crossrail was finally given the green light on Friday by Gordon Brown after nearly three decades of planning and is due to open in 2017. Rumours that the Abbey Wood spur was secretly being postponed began over the weekend, with some sources claiming the Treasury was insisting on a delay to save money by shunting more than £1 billion into a future spending round. The spur is one of the most politically sensitive sections of Crossrail because it will bring tens of thousands of jobs to poorer areas of London. There was a battle over the Government's initial refusal to fund a station at Woolwich, resulting in Labour MPs forcing ministers into a hasty U-turn. Government sources admit there has been "discussion between departments as to who is paying" - Whitehall code for a blazing row - but say they are confident the line will be built on time. Chancellor Alistair Darling will unveil in tomorrow's spending review exactly how much he expects London companies to contribute to the rail link. There are fears he is preparing to impose an additional tax - the so- called supplementary business rate - of as much as 4.5 per cent . Although businesses organisations are supportive of Crossrail, there are fears that small firms could end up paying a disproportionate amount. Due to open in 2017, the line will run from Maidenhead, via Heathrow and the City to Canary Wharf and beyond. The complicated financial package will see central Government contribute £5 billion, the business community £1 billion with the rest coming from fares and the supplementary business rate, which is expected to apply only to firms in Greater London with a rateable value of £50,000 or more. unquote |
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Crossrail to halt new lines Ross Lydall, City Hall Editor 09.10.07 At least three major London transport projects are likely to be put on ice as a result of Crossrail being given the go-ahead. Passengers also face long-term fare rises, Mayor Ken Livingstone admitted today. Money the Government would normally give to the capital will instead be directed towards the £16billion high-speed line, linking Heathrow with the City, Canary Wharf and beyond. Projects unlikely to proceed include a spur of the East London Line to Clapham Junction, the extension of the Croydon Tram-link to Crystal Palace, and the proposed Docklands Light Railway route linking Barking Riverside and Dagenham. That's another reason to despise Cross Rail. |
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On 10 Oct, 07:40, Mwmbwls wrote:
(snip) http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-details/Cross... quote (snip) Under the deal struck with the Government, TfL will bear the risk of building Crossrail. Mr Livingstone said he expected to have an "intense debate" with BAA about the possible integration of the Heathrow Express into the line unquote And so the Crossrail horse trading begins! Can't say I'm surprised about the possibility that various other schemes might be shelved, as money is going to be very tight. Nonetheless it'd still be a great shame. What would the benefits of ditching HEx be for Crossrail, apart from increased passenger numbers - would it just be more capacity in the Heathrow tunnels? http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-details/Wrang... quote (snip) Rumours that the Abbey Wood spur was secretly being postponed began over the weekend, with some sources claiming the Treasury was insisting on a delay to save money by shunting more than £1 billion into a future spending round. The spur is one of the most politically sensitive sections of Crossrail because it will bring tens of thousands of jobs to poorer areas of London. There was a battle over the Government's initial refusal to fund a station at Woolwich, resulting in Labour MPs forcing ministers into a hasty U-turn. (snip) I find it incredibly unlikely that the Abbey Wood branch would be delayed, as it is the branch that would serve Canary Wharf and the docklands via Isle of Dogs station (and Canary Wharf Ltd has already agreed to contribute towards Crossrail too). Unless the plan is to stop tunnelling at Isle of Dogs and terminate and then reverse trains there? |
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"Mizter T" wrote What would the benefits of ditching HEx be for Crossrail, apart from increased passenger numbers - would it just be more capacity in the Heathrow tunnels? I'd be surprised if HEx was ditched, as it will still be quite a bit quicker from Paddington than Crossrail, but Crossrail will mean a rethink. I expect that TfL will want to bring Heathrow via Crossrail into the Travelcard zones, which will call into question the premium fares on HEx. I also expect that TfL would want Crossrail to go to T5, which causes problems for serving T4 - should HEx revert to T4, leaving its passengers to change for the much busier T5? Or should the HEx link to T4 be abandoned? And will two platforms at T5 suffice for HEx and Crossrail? Peter |
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Peter Masson wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote What would the benefits of ditching HEx be for Crossrail, apart from increased passenger numbers - would it just be more capacity in the Heathrow tunnels? I'd be surprised if HEx was ditched, as it will still be quite a bit quicker from Paddington than Crossrail, but Crossrail will mean a rethink. I expect that TfL will want to bring Heathrow via Crossrail into the Travelcard zones, which will call into question the premium fares on HEx. I would think that the most important thing for something like HEx to survive on that route (with that ticket price level etc) would be to extend it somewhere more useful than Paddington. City/Docklands? Otherwise it will still just be the quickest link between Heathrow and the hotels around Paddington/Lancaster Gate, and quickest in practially only that case. -- Olof Lagerkvist ICQ: 724451 Web: http://here.is/olof |
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On 10 Oct, 09:58, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote What would the benefits of ditching HEx be for Crossrail, apart from increased passenger numbers - would it just be more capacity in the Heathrow tunnels? I'd be surprised if HEx was ditched, as it will still be quite a bit quicker from Paddington than Crossrail, but Crossrail will mean a rethink. I expect that TfL will want to bring Heathrow via Crossrail into the Travelcard zones, which will call into question the premium fares on HEx. I also expect that TfL would want Crossrail to go to T5, which causes problems for serving T4 - should HEx revert to T4, leaving its passengers to change for the much busier T5? Or should the HEx link to T4 be abandoned? And will two platforms at T5 suffice for HEx and Crossrail? Peter Let's not forget that it's possible to go from T123 to T5 on the Piccadilly line, but not from T123 to T4 unless going to Hatton Cross and change. So I think the T4 branch will stay. If HEX gets scrapped I could see 8 trains per hour for Heathrow (extending some of the Paddington terminating trains), 4 for each branch. That'd be much better for the whole scheme. |
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On 10 Oct, 09:58, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote What would the benefits of ditching HEx be for Crossrail, apart from increased passenger numbers - would it just be more capacity in the Heathrow tunnels? I'd be surprised if HEx was ditched, as it will still be quite a bit quicker from Paddington than Crossrail, but Crossrail will mean a rethink. I expect that TfL will want to bring Heathrow via Crossrail into the Travelcard zones, which will call into question the premium fares on HEx. I also expect that TfL would want Crossrail to go to T5, which causes problems for serving T4 - should HEx revert to T4, leaving its passengers to change for the much busier T5? Or should the HEx link to T4 be abandoned? And will two platforms at T5 suffice for HEx and Crossrail? Peter You're making a rather large assumption about the fares on Crossrail. There seems to be various talk of "premium fares" on Crossrail too - perhaps not as much as for Heathrow Express but I wouldn't expect it to be valid on a standard off-peak travelcard at the current level. By 2017, perhaps paper travelcards will be gone so a premium could be charged for a journey on Crossrail relative to one on the Central or Circle line and there would presumably be barriers between Crossrail and the classic tube lines. Jonathan |
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