On Jan 24, 9:39*pm, Mizter T wrote:
I guess the track-swapping antics between Blackfriars and the Elephant
could be avoided if the Sutton - Wimbledon loop via Herne Hill service
became the one that terminated at Blackfriars, whilst the Thameslink
trains were re-routed to Sevenoaks via the Catford Loop. That would of
course displease a large number of people who had arranged their lives
around how things are set up now.- Hide quoted text -

It depends how large is large. My experience of Thameslink services
coming from Saint Albans to Wimbledon in the peak is that the majority
of passengers decamp at Saint Pancras with very few people joining the
train. Smaller numbers than at Saint Pancras get off and on at
Farringdon and City Thameslink and that when the southbound trains get
to Blackfriars a substantial number of people working on the South
Bank get off. Brighton line trains tend to attract distinctly more
through passengers. I assume this is because of the connections to
London Bridge and Gatwick. Does anybody have any idea however
passengers from the Sutton Loop ride north of Blackfriars?

"Bill Borland" wrote

As a matter of interest, has anyone used Brixton Jn - Canterbury Rd
Jn - Cambria Jn recently? That used to be the usual route before
Eurostar; perhaps it will come back into use now.

The connections to the Atlantic Lines at Factory Junction, Voltaire road
Junction, Shepherds Lane, and Crofton Road Junction were only put in with
the Victoria resignalling (late 1970s?). Before then South Eastern trains
could not run on the Atlantic Lines, which had no junctions between
Battersea Park and Peckham Rye and were normally only used by the Victoria -
London Bridge South London Line service.

What is now the Reversible Line between Battersea Pier Junction and Voltaire
Road Junction was before the resignalling part of the Up Slow Line, which
ran from Shepherds Lane to Victoria, though the corresponding Down Slow only
ran from Victoria to Battersea Pier Junction.

It was also practically unheard of for a passenger train to take the Low
level route from Factory Junction through Stewarts Lane to Battersea Pier
Junction.

Peter

On 25 Jan, 16:26, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Bill Borland" wrote



As a matter of interest, has anyone used Brixton Jn - Canterbury Rd
Jn - Cambria Jn recently? That used to be the usual route before
Eurostar; perhaps it will come back into use now.


But, critically, since the December timetable change there is now a
4tph service (off-peak) between Victoria and Orpington via Herne Hill.
This has only been possible because Eurostar has gone and cleared the
way for it - therefore I suspect that the Dartford to Victoria trains
need to keep out the way of these services, hence they will continue
to use the Atlantic Lines high above Brixton, and possibly continue to
use the slow low-level Stewarts Lane route as well.


The connections to the Atlantic Lines at Factory Junction, Voltaire road
Junction, Shepherds Lane, and Crofton Road Junction were only put in with
the Victoria resignalling (late 1970s?). Before then South Eastern trains
could not run on the Atlantic Lines, [...]

....which I understand were still called the South London Line(s) then
- the new Atlantic Lines name only coming into use after the Victoria
resignalling...

[...] which had no junctions between
Battersea Park and Peckham Rye and were normally only used by the Victoria -
London Bridge South London Line service.

What is now the Reversible Line between Battersea Pier Junction and Voltaire
Road Junction was before the resignalling part of the Up Slow Line, which
ran from Shepherds Lane to Victoria, though the corresponding Down Slow only
ran from Victoria to Battersea Pier Junction.

It was also practically unheard of for a passenger train to take the Low
level route from Factory Junction through Stewarts Lane to Battersea Pier
Junction.

Peter


Interesting stuff. Whilst the low-level route is a PITA because it is
slow, it does provide a behind-the-scenes perspective on Stewarts Lane
- that said, there isn't that much that happens there now, not at
least when compared to the past, and the stuff that does happen is
largely out of view from this route.

I remember Bill Hayles referring to part of the Stewarts Lane depot as
the Cabbage Patch, and I had some notion that trains on this low-level
route might have passed through that area - however on reviewing a
post where he mentions this, it would in fact appear that this area is
further to the south east of the railway lands, though seemingly not
in current railway use but instead part of the industrial estate there.

On Jan 25, 4:26*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Bill Borland" wrote



As a matter of interest, has anyone used Brixton Jn - Canterbury Rd
Jn - Cambria Jn recently? *That used to be the usual route before
Eurostar; perhaps it will come back into use now.

The connections to the Atlantic Lines at Factory Junction, Voltaire road
Junction, Shepherds Lane, and Crofton Road Junction were only put in with
the Victoria resignalling (late 1970s?). Before then South Eastern trains
could not run on the Atlantic Lines, which had no junctions between
Battersea Park and Peckham Rye and were normally only used by the Victoria -
London Bridge South London Line service.

What is now the Reversible Line between Battersea Pier Junction and Voltaire
Road Junction was before the resignalling part of the Up Slow Line, which
ran from Shepherds Lane to Victoria, though the corresponding Down Slow only
ran from Victoria to Battersea Pier Junction.

It was also practically unheard of for a passenger train to take the Low
level route from Factory Junction through Stewarts Lane to Battersea Pier
Junction.


There was a thread a while ago where I think you noted that Baker's
didn't show it as existing at all (don't know about latest editions).

"MIG" wrote

There was a thread a while ago where I think you noted that Baker's
didn't show it as existing at all (don't know about latest editions).

Someone did, but it wasn't me.

Peter

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:26:24 -0000, "Peter Masson"
wrote:

The connections to the Atlantic Lines at Factory Junction, Voltaire road
Junction, Shepherds Lane, and Crofton Road Junction were only put in with
the Victoria resignalling (late 1970s?).

Later than that. 1984, I think, though I could be a year out either
way.


--
Bill Hayles
http://www.rossrail.com

It's a mystery to me why Camden Town/Camden
Road isn't shown as a possible connection.
AIUI it's to deter people from using Camden Town, which is already
massively overcrowded.
That is terribly depressing, isn't it? What happened to the rebuilding
plans?
Why don't they make the second exit head from the platforms along a
wide tunnel north, and then up northwards facing escalators, so that
it goes as close as possible to Camden Road station.

That way they'd also avoid having to demolish the electric ballroom,
buck street market, or the old church next to it.

I swear they are more interested in demolishing as much as possible
that would be listable, too culturally important, or too much of the
historic streetscape, for them to get away with demolishing under any
other circumstances.

They managed to add the escalators at Knightsbridge without having to
demolish the entire street above them.

Besides, why do they have to build some modernist "showpiece" pastiche
at the south end, why can't they just rebuild the leslie greene
oxblood-colour-tiled thing using new tiles and bricks?

lonelytraveller wrote:

why can't they just rebuild the leslie greene
oxblood-colour-tiled thing using new tiles and bricks?

Surely it's more in keeping with the historic philosophy of the
Underground system to build something that is contemporary.
--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9683633.html
(101 661 and 309 623 at Manchester Piccadilly, 25 Feb 2000)

On 25 Jan, 10:55, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 24 Jan, 15:36, wrote:

(say, Edgware to Dalston).

Hmm. The TfL journey planner suggests it without tweaking any
settings, which isn't the case for most walking changes since it can
usually find an almost-as-fast alternative. Maybe you have a point.


Thanks. The fact that Camden Town/Road was shown as an interchange at
one point, made me suspect it must be useful for _something_.

The overcrowding explanations sounds horribly plausible, though.

Jonn