(apologies for the earlier incomplete post)

Following the recent discussions on redrawing the zone boundaries I thought
it would be interestint to work out what the boundaries would look like on a
pure distance based system. All stations were placed into zones according to
their distance from Charing Cross. The number of stations was kept constant
so for each station that moves in, one has to move out.

In general it seems that boundaries are too close together in North and
South London and too far apart in East and West London.

STATIONS MOVING IN
Zone 2 to Zone 1
Battersea Park, Camden Road, Camden Town, Kennington, Mornington Crescent,
Oval, Queenstown Road (Battersea)
Zone 3 to Zone 2
Balham, Cricklewood, Crouch Hill, Hampstead Heath, Harringay, Harringay
Green Lanes, Highgate, Stamford Hill, Streatham Hill, Tooting Bec, Tulse
Hill, Wandsworth Common, West Dulwich
Zone 4 to Zone 3
Anerley, Arnos Grove, Beckenham Hill, Finchley Central, Kent House, Lower
Sydenham, New Beckenham, New Southgate, Penge East, Penge West, Wembley
Park, Wembley Stadium, West Finchley
Zone 5 to Zone 4
Berrylands, Bromley South, Bush Hill Park, Canons Park, Carshalton,
Cockfosters, East Croydon, Eden Park, Edgware, Grange Park, New Barnet,
Norbiton, Oakwood, Twickenham, Waddon, West Croydon
Zone 6 to Zone 4
Kingston
Zone 6 to Zone 5
Fulwell, Hadley Wood, Hampton Court, Hampton Wick, Purley, Purley Oaks,
Sanderstead, Surbiton, Teddington, Turkey Street
Outside Zones to Zone 6
Bushey, Carpenders Park, Cheshunt, Claygate, Cuffley, Epsom, Esher, Hersham,
Hinchley Wood, Kempton Park, Potters Bar, Subury, Theobalds Grove, Upper
Halliford, Waltham Cross

STATIONS MOVING OUT
Zone 1 to Zone 2
Aldgate East, Bayswater, Earl's Court, Gloucester Road, High Street
Kensington, Notting Hill Gate, Queensway
Zone 2 to Zone 3
Acton Central, Blackwall, Cutty Sark, East India, Elverson Road, Greenwich,
Island Gardens, Lewisham, North Acton, North Greenwich, Pudding Mill Lane,
St Johns, Turnham Green
Zone 3 to Zone 4
Beckton, Beckton Park, Cyprus, East Ham, Gallions Reach, King George V,
Manor Park, Northfields, South Ealing, West Ealing, Wimbledon Chase,
Woodgrange Park, Woolwich Dockyard
Zone 4 to Zone 5
Abbey Wood, Barkingside, Chigwell, Fairlop, Goodmayes, Grange Hill,
Hainault, Hounslow Central, Hounslow East, Malden Manor, Newbury Park,
Roding Valley, Seven Kings, Southall, Upney, Welling, Worcester Park
Zone 5 to Zone 6
Albany Park, Belvedere, Dagenham East, Dagenham Heathway, Eastcote, Hatton
Cross, Hayes & Harlington, Petts Wood, Pinner, Ruislip Gardens, South
Ruislip
Zone 6 to Outside Zones
Caterham, Emerson Park, Epping, Gidea Park, Harold Wood, Hornchurch,
Kingswood, Knockholt, Moor Park, Tadworth, Theydon Bois, Upminster,
Upminster Bridge, Uxbridge, West Drayton

Peter Smyth

"Peter Smyth" wrote in message
...
(apologies for the earlier incomplete post)

Following the recent discussions on redrawing the zone boundaries I
thought it would be interestint to work out what the boundaries would look
like on a pure distance based system. All stations were placed into zones
according to their distance from Charing Cross. The number of stations was
kept constant so for each station that moves in, one has to move out.

In general it seems that boundaries are too close together in North and
South London and too far apart in East and West London.

STATIONS MOVING IN
Zone 2 to Zone 1
Battersea Park, Camden Road, Camden Town, Kennington, Mornington Crescent,
Oval, Queenstown Road (Battersea)
Zone 3 to Zone 2
Balham, Cricklewood, Crouch Hill, Hampstead Heath, Harringay, Harringay
Green Lanes, Highgate, Stamford Hill, Streatham Hill, Tooting Bec, Tulse
Hill, Wandsworth Common, West Dulwich
Zone 4 to Zone 3
Anerley, Arnos Grove, Beckenham Hill, Finchley Central, Kent House, Lower
Sydenham, New Beckenham, New Southgate, Penge East, Penge West, Wembley
Park, Wembley Stadium, West Finchley
Zone 5 to Zone 4
Berrylands, Bromley South, Bush Hill Park, Canons Park, Carshalton,
Cockfosters, East Croydon, Eden Park, Edgware, Grange Park, New Barnet,
Norbiton, Oakwood, Twickenham, Waddon, West Croydon
Zone 6 to Zone 4
Kingston
Zone 6 to Zone 5
Fulwell, Hadley Wood, Hampton Court, Hampton Wick, Purley, Purley Oaks,
Sanderstead, Surbiton, Teddington, Turkey Street
Outside Zones to Zone 6
Bushey, Carpenders Park, Cheshunt, Claygate, Cuffley, Epsom, Esher,
Hersham, Hinchley Wood, Kempton Park, Potters Bar, Subury, Theobalds
Grove, Upper Halliford, Waltham Cross

STATIONS MOVING OUT
Zone 1 to Zone 2
Aldgate East, Bayswater, Earl's Court, Gloucester Road, High Street
Kensington, Notting Hill Gate, Queensway
Zone 2 to Zone 3
Acton Central, Blackwall, Cutty Sark, East India, Elverson Road,
Greenwich, Island Gardens, Lewisham, North Acton, North Greenwich, Pudding
Mill Lane, St Johns, Turnham Green
Zone 3 to Zone 4
Beckton, Beckton Park, Cyprus, East Ham, Gallions Reach, King George V,
Manor Park, Northfields, South Ealing, West Ealing, Wimbledon Chase,
Woodgrange Park, Woolwich Dockyard
Zone 4 to Zone 5
Abbey Wood, Barkingside, Chigwell, Fairlop, Goodmayes, Grange Hill,
Hainault, Hounslow Central, Hounslow East, Malden Manor, Newbury Park,
Roding Valley, Seven Kings, Southall, Upney, Welling, Worcester Park
Zone 5 to Zone 6
Albany Park, Belvedere, Dagenham East, Dagenham Heathway, Eastcote, Hatton
Cross, Hayes & Harlington, Petts Wood, Pinner, Ruislip Gardens, South
Ruislip
Zone 6 to Outside Zones
Caterham, Emerson Park, Epping, Gidea Park, Harold Wood, Hornchurch,
Kingswood, Knockholt, Moor Park, Tadworth, Theydon Bois, Upminster,
Upminster Bridge, Uxbridge, West Drayton

Peter Smyth


Im a bit confused by your post? Are you saying that for example Pinner and
South Ruislip have moved into Zone 6?

Peter Smyth wrote:
(apologies for the earlier incomplete post)

Following the recent discussions on redrawing the zone boundaries I thought
it would be interestint to work out what the boundaries would look like on a
pure distance based system. All stations were placed into zones according to
their distance from Charing Cross. The number of stations was kept constant
so for each station that moves in, one has to move out.

In general it seems that boundaries are too close together in North and
South London and too far apart in East and West London.

(snip list)

Good stuff but I'm not sure measuring distance from Charing Cross is
fair... one of the main points of the zone system as-is is that central
London is busy and therefore Zone 1 journeys carry a "premium" cost.

Additionally, London is elongated along an east-west axis, with central
London being wider in that direction than it is along the north-south
axis (as is Greater London).

That implies that the best shape for a zone is more of an oval than a
circle.

I would say that Zone 1 should be defined by what constitutes busy
central London, and then other zones should be based on their distance
from the Zone 1 boundary.

Dave

"Dave A" wrote in message
...
Peter Smyth wrote:
(apologies for the earlier incomplete post)

Following the recent discussions on redrawing the zone boundaries I
thought it would be interestint to work out what the boundaries would
look like on a pure distance based system. All stations were placed into
zones according to their distance from Charing Cross. The number of
stations was kept constant so for each station that moves in, one has to
move out.

In general it seems that boundaries are too close together in North and
South London and too far apart in East and West London.

(snip list)

Good stuff but I'm not sure measuring distance from Charing Cross is
fair... one of the main points of the zone system as-is is that central
London is busy and therefore Zone 1 journeys carry a "premium" cost.

Additionally, London is elongated along an east-west axis, with central
London being wider in that direction than it is along the north-south axis
(as is Greater London).

That implies that the best shape for a zone is more of an oval than a
circle.

I would say that Zone 1 should be defined by what constitutes busy central
London, and then other zones should be based on their distance from the
Zone 1 boundary.

Dave

Sorry didnt realise they were your own zonal markings.

Peter Smyth wrote:

Zone 6 to Zone 4
Kingston

The single largest move in your scheme - and it's one of the key stations in
the constituency mentioned in the original article about this.

In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Peter Smyth wrote:

Zone 6 to Zone 4
Kingston

The single largest move in your scheme - and it's one of the key
stations in the constituency mentioned in the original article
about this.

You can see why local MP Ed Davey is making such a fuss about it!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

Zone 6 to Zone 4
Kingston

The single largest move in your scheme - and it's one of the key
stations in the constituency mentioned in the original article
about this.

You can see why local MP Ed Davey is making such a fuss about it!

Yes there must be a few votes in it.