On Jan 11, 11:41 am, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
Henry wrote

Is Hampton Court Station going to close?

Not permanently, but the application involves a lot of building work,
including moving the car park underground, so I'd expect a lot of
disruption (I don't think there's a Hampton Court-Esher bus link
any more, so these tickets are presumably for car-borne
commuters).

There is such a link but it's useless: 513 Kingston-Hampton
Court-Esher-Cobham-Downside 3 buses a day.

Also, for some mysterious reason appears that this only calls at
Hampton Court _Station_ going towards Esher, but not on the
return journey.

I suppose a commuter might
live or park their car at some point where both stations (2 miles apart
by road) are a reasonable choice
....

There are the residential roads south of the Ember (though you'd make
yourself unpopular parking there) - but, if you were doing that, I'd
have
thought it would make more sense to walk to Thames Ditton station
rather than all the way to Hampton Court. Also Thames Ditton station
is connected to Esher by both the 513 bus and the 515
Kingston - Thames Ditton - Esher - Guildford service.

Is an Esher-or-Thames Ditton to London season available?
Not sure where to look online that doesn't want me to register.

Thanks

Henry

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:34:10 -0800 (PST), Henry wrote:

Is an Esher-or-Thames Ditton to London season available?
Not sure where to look online that doesn't want me to register.

All of the dual availability season tickets are listed in Section N of
the NFM: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/passen...s/manuals.html
(you want the London version).

On 17 Jan, 21:07, asdf wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:34:10 -0800 (PST), Henry wrote:
Is an Esher-or-Thames Ditton to London season available?
Not sure where to look online that doesn't want me to register.

All of the dual availability season tickets are listed in Section N of
the NFM:http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/passen...s/manuals.html
(you want the London version).

That's great, thanks.

Aha, an Esher - Hampton Court - Thames Ditton threeway lurks there!

Henry

In message
, at
17:34:10 on Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Henry remarked:
There is such a link but it's useless: 513 Kingston-Hampton
Court-Esher-Cobham-Downside 3 buses a day.

Also, for some mysterious reason appears that this only calls at
Hampton Court _Station_ going towards Esher, but not on the
return journey.

Isn't the road rather wide there, maybe the bus stop for the opposite
direction is called something else?
--
Roland Perry

On 18 Jan, 08:49, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
17:34:10 on Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Henry remarked:

There is such a link but it's useless: 513 Kingston-Hampton
Court-Esher-Cobham-Downside 3 buses a day.

Also, for some mysterious reason appears that this only calls at
Hampton Court _Station_ going towards Esher, but not on the
return journey.

Isn't the road rather wide there,

There are two lanes in each direction but it's pretty
busy most of the day, especially in the Kingston
direction as the traffic backs up from the roundabout
across the river. The buses can't really stop in the road,
and there are too many side turnings to build a bay without
blocking sight lines.

maybe the bus stop for the opposite
direction is called something else?

Going towards Esher, the buses pull off into the station
forecourt, but on the way back the last official stop before
the Green (on the other side of the Thames) is Summer Road,
(by the level crossing).
That probably counts as walking distance if you're fit enough
to cross the road in mid-traffic to the station-side pavement
immediately; otherwise there's currently a couple of hundred
yards of mud slick and a couple of nasty junctions to negotiate
to reach the pelican crossing at the station.

The obvious solution would be to turn into the gyratory and
share the bay already used by buses heading along the riverbank,
but simply go right round and turn left back on to the bridge.

Of course that would mean buses both to and (~hourly) from
Kingston sharing a stop, which no doubt violates some
incontestable diktat.

Hth

Henry

Henry wrote

Also, for some mysterious reason appears that this only calls at
Hampton Court _Station_ going towards Esher, but not on the
return journey.

Going towards Esher, the buses pull off into the station
forecourt, but on the way back the last official stop before
the Green (on the other side of the Thames) is Summer Road,
(by the level crossing).
That probably counts as walking distance if you're fit enough
to cross the road in mid-traffic to the station-side pavement
immediately; otherwise there's currently a couple of hundred
yards of mud slick and a couple of nasty junctions to negotiate
to reach the pelican crossing at the station.

The obvious solution would be to turn into the gyratory and
share the bay already used by buses heading along the riverbank,
but simply go right round and turn left back on to the bridge.

Probably unnecessary since there is already a stop for other buses to
Kingston just before they turn left on to the bridge (451,461)

Of course that would mean buses both to and (~hourly) from
Kingston sharing a stop, which no doubt violates some
incontestable diktat.

There are examples where even the same route number shares a stop in
opposite directions. In Surrey I know of examples at Walton station,
Cobham (Waitrose), Sunbury Tesco and in Byfleet. Is this a "double
teacup" ?

OTOH in Esher with three routes to Kingston the paths taken and the
one-way system result in the buses that use those routes leaving from
three different (and widely separated) stops.

--
Mike D

On 25 Jan, 17:20, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
Henry wrote
Also, for some mysterious reason appears that this only calls at
Hampton Court _Station_ going towards Esher, but not on the
return journey.

The obvious solution would be to turn into the gyratory and
share the bay already used by buses heading along the riverbank,
but simply go right round and turn left back on to the bridge.

Probably unnecessary since there is already a stop for other buses to
Kingston just before they turn left on to the bridge (451,461)

No, that stop is on the riverbank before what I've called the
gyratory,
so the 513 can't reach it.

Of course that would mean buses both to and (~hourly) from
Kingston sharing a stop, which no doubt violates some
incontestable diktat.

There are examples where even the same route number shares a stop in
opposite directions. In Surrey I know of examples at Walton station,
Cobham (Waitrose), Sunbury Tesco and in Byfleet. Is this a "double
teacup" ?

I did mean to imply that any such ruling would be rather pointless
in this case - I doubt many Kingston-bound passengers would wait
at that stop for a thrice-a-day bus...

I'm not sure whether that's a Surrey or TfL stop though (if that
would make any difference).

Hth

Henry

Henry wrote

I'm not sure whether that's a Surrey or TfL stop though (if that
would make any difference).

It is located in Surrey (even though Hampton Court station is now in
zone 6, this didn't affect buses) but is IIRC of TfL design and has Tfl
cross-boundary buses (route 411) calling.

--
Mike D

On 30 Jan, 20:27, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
Henry wrote

I'm not sure whether that's a Surrey or TfL stop though (if that
would make any difference).

It is located in Surrey (even though Hampton Court station is now in
zone 6, this didn't affect buses) but is IIRC of TfL design and has Tfl
cross-boundary buses (route 411) calling.

No, the 411 goes down the next road along.

For some reason all the stops around Hampton Court station are TfL,
including the ones by the riverbank served only by the 451/461.
One's even solar-powered, so they haven't been just been standing
there since 211 days...

Thanks

Henry