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Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph
service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL resignalling? Paul |
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On Jan 14, 4:48*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. *Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website:http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL resignalling? Paul I would have thought that the single track approach to East Putney and crossing all the Putney tracks on the flat might be a bigger problem. Avoiding both Putney trains and District line trains either side of the junction must be quite a challenge. |
Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
Paul Scott wrote: SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL resignalling? Paul My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line - and it is under this agreement that SWT makes use of the line for diversionary purposes. Given that SWT do find it a valuable route (as demonstrated by the use they'll be making of it at Easter), one can't see them (or the DfT) being keen on ending that agreement. Therefore, the onus would seem to fall on LUL ensuring that any future resignalling on this line can accommodate National Rail trains. |
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On 14 Jan, 17:01, MIG wrote:
On Jan 14, 4:48 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website:http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL resignalling? Paul I would have thought that the single track approach to East Putney and crossing all the Putney tracks on the flat might be a bigger problem. I forget how the lines there are paired - UIVMM it changed fairly recently. But the single track up to East Putney is on the southern side of the four mainline tracks and hence comes off one of the down lines - so up trains are the ones that will cause more disturbances here. (Without looking at Quail, which isn't to hand, I forget which location Point Pleasant junction actually refers to - the junction with the mainline or with the District line at East Putney station.) Avoiding both Putney trains and District line trains either side of the junction must be quite a challenge. Though LUL contracts Network Rail to signal the line from East Putney (or from Putney Bridge in fact) down to Wimbledon, so theoretically at least there could be a slightly more co-ordinated approach (or just a jam of backed up District line trains being held at East Putney so a diverted SWT service can get down there first). |
Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
"Mizter T" wrote in message ... Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL resignalling? My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line - and it is under this agreement that SWT makes use of the line for diversionary purposes. Given that SWT do find it a valuable route (as demonstrated by the use they'll be making of it at Easter), one can't see them (or the DfT) being keen on ending that agreement. Therefore, the onus would seem to fall on LUL ensuring that any future resignalling on this line can accommodate National Rail trains. There was a discussion recently that quoted TfL as saying SWT wouldn't be allowed on the line after resignalling unless they fitted all their stock (that might need to use the line) with trip cocks... Paul |
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On 14 Jan, 18:02, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message ... Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL resignalling? My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line - and it is under this agreement that SWT makes use of the line for diversionary purposes. Given that SWT do find it a valuable route (as demonstrated by the use they'll be making of it at Easter), one can't see them (or the DfT) being keen on ending that agreement. Therefore, the onus would seem to fall on LUL ensuring that any future resignalling on this line can accommodate National Rail trains. There was a discussion recently that quoted TfL as saying SWT wouldn't be allowed on the line after resignalling unless they fitted all their stock (that might need to use the line) with trip cocks... Paul Oh really - I missed that. I wonder if that quoted comment is accurate. It's just that one party unilaterally changing the terms of an agreement sounds unlikely. That said, I don't know anything about the details of the agreement whatsoever. What I'm almost totally ignorant on is what's going to happen to signalling after the upgrade - I was under the vague impression that the LU SSLs were ditching the whole trip cock system altogether. |
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On Jan 14, 5:47*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 14 Jan, 17:01, MIG wrote: On Jan 14, 4:48 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. *Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website:http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL resignalling? Paul I would have thought that the single track approach to East Putney and crossing all the Putney tracks on the flat might be a bigger problem. I forget how the lines there are paired - UIVMM it changed fairly recently. But the single track up to East Putney is on the southern side of the four mainline tracks and hence comes off one of the down lines - so up trains are the ones that will cause more disturbances here. (Without looking at Quail, which isn't to hand, I forget which location Point Pleasant junction actually refers to - the junction with the mainline or with the District line at East Putney station.) They are paired by direction, but it's a bit odd in that the down fast is the outer, while the up slow is the outer on the other side. So if diverted trains used fast tracks, it would minimise the disruption (or maximise it if they used the slow tracks). In fact, it looks like you can't reach the up slow track anyway. Point Pleasant seems to be the section between the mainline and the side platforms at East Putney (the join to the District coming south of the station). Avoiding both Putney trains and District line trains either side of the junction must be quite a challenge. Though LUL contracts Network Rail to signal the line from East Putney (or from Putney Bridge in fact) down to Wimbledon, so theoretically at least there could be a slightly more co-ordinated approach (or just a jam of backed up District line trains being held at East Putney so a diverted SWT service can get down there first). By the way, I've often seen empty stock going that way in the last year or two, using the down fast at the end of the morning peak. I assume that sort of thing is regular. |
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"Paul Scott" wrote in
: SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track- closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting: "Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)" So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which frees up the required paths from East Putney. David |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup
wrote: "Paul Scott" wrote in : SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track- closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting: "Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)" So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which frees up the required paths from East Putney. The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing at Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?). |
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On 14 Jan, 20:06, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote: "Paul Scott" wrote in : SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. *Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track- closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting: "Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)" So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which frees up the required paths from East Putney. The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing at Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?).- Or it could just mean that Earls Court to Wimbledon is covered by trains from the Victoria direction. |
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MIG wrote:
On 14 Jan, 20:06, Charles Ellson wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...k-closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting: "Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - though actually that is not currently included in the latest LU list of closures for "this weekend" (19/20 Jan) - No Circle - Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)" So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which frees up the required paths from East Putney. The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing at Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?). No, you can only enter Triangle Sidings from the westbound (from High St Ken) direction. East-to-west reversing at Earl's Court takes place just east of the station on the inner eastbound track, i.e. trains depart from platform 2 and reverse into platform 3. It limits operational flexibility in the station area, though at one time Olympia trains used to do this all the time. Or it could just mean that Earls Court to Wimbledon is covered by trains from the Victoria direction. Yes, that's more likely. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Richard J. wrote:
MIG wrote: On 14 Jan, 20:06, Charles Ellson wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...k-closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting: "Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - though actually that is not currently included in the latest LU list of closures for "this weekend" (19/20 Jan) Oops, sorry. I'd lost track of the fact that this thread related to Easter weekend, March 21-24. My other comments are still relevant. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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On Jan 14, 8:06 pm, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote: "Paul Scott" wrote in : SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track- closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting: "Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)" So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which frees up the required paths from East Putney. The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing at Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?). The Edgware Road service will be diverted to run Edgware Road - Olympia, the last time this TTN was used I'm sure they were every 10 minutes. There will be no Olympia-High St Ken shuttle. Reversing at Earl's Court is impossible and detraining at High St Kensington to reverse at Triangle is not a good idea. |
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On Jan 14, 8:41 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article , (Mizter T) wrote: Though LUL contracts Network Rail to signal the line from East Putney (or from Putney Bridge in fact) down to Wimbledon, so theoretically at least there could be a slightly more co-ordinated approach (or just a jam of backed up District line trains being held at East Putney so a diverted SWT service can get down there first). ITYF that the signalling from Putney Bridge to East Putney is to LUL standards these days, not NR's. -- Colin Rosenstiel The signalling is operated by Network Rail and their rules and operational procedures apply. Maintenance and faults are dealt with by Metronet (though it was previously sub-contracted out under Railtrack I believe). Under the PPP Upgrades there will need to be more frequent trains (so that the Infraco can get extra money through improving journey times). One way of doing this is installing the new SSR signalling down to Wimbledon. It has not yet been decided if LUL will then take over the operation of the line. Also under PPP Upgrades, tripcocks will go, being replaced by ATP. |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Mizter T wrote:
On 14 Jan, 18:02, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message ... Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL resignalling? My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line There was a discussion recently that quoted TfL as saying SWT wouldn't be allowed on the line after resignalling unless they fitted all their stock (that might need to use the line) with trip cocks... I was under the vague impression that the LU SSLs were ditching the whole trip cock system altogether. They are. They just put that restriction in to get a rise out of SWT. tom -- Transform your language. |
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On 14 Jan, 18:51, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote : SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track- closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting: "Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)" So I'd suggest the Edgware Road-Wimbledon service won't run at all which frees up the required paths from East Putney. David First thing I did was look that up. If there were no District line trains between Wimbledon and Earls Court, the PDF would explicitly say so. It doesn't, so there will be. |
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at SSL resignalling?
the LU SSLs were ditching the whole trip cock system altogether. When the line transferred the new SSL signalling was not defined either technically or in timescale. -- Nick |
Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
Mizter T wrote:
On 14 Jan, 18:51, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote: "Paul Scott" wrote : SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track- closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting: "Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)" So I'd suggest the Edgware Road-Wimbledon service won't run at all which frees up the required paths from East Putney. David First thing I did was look that up. If there were no District line trains between Wimbledon and Earls Court, the PDF would explicitly say so. It doesn't, so there will be. Yes, but remember that even if the Wimblewares are taken off. There will still be Upminster/Barking/TowerHill to Wimbledons running |
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On 15 Jan, 07:28, Mark B wrote:
Mizter T wrote: On 14 Jan, 18:51, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote: "Paul Scott" wrote: SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track- closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting: "Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)" So I'd suggest the Edgware Road-Wimbledon service won't run at all which frees up the required paths from East Putney. David First thing I did was look that up. If there were no District line trains between Wimbledon and Earls Court, the PDF would explicitly say so. It doesn't, so there will be. Yes, but remember that even if the Wimblewares are taken off. There will still be Upminster/Barking/TowerHill to Wimbledons running Yes, of course - that's a good point, and in that context David Jackman's comment make sense (so sorry David!). |
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chunky munky wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:06 pm, Charles Ellson wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote: "Paul Scott" wrote in : SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track- closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting: "Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)" So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which frees up the required paths from East Putney. The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing at Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?). The Edgware Road service will be diverted to run Edgware Road - Olympia, But LU say no District service between Earl's Court and Edgware Road. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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On Jan 15, 9:11 am, "Richard J." wrote:
chunky munky wrote: On Jan 14, 8:06 pm, Charles Ellson wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote: "Paul Scott" wrote in : SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District Line service? "Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)." info from SWT website: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track- closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting: "Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)" So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which frees up the required paths from East Putney. The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing at Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?). The Edgware Road service will be diverted to run Edgware Road - Olympia, But LU say no District service between Earl's Court and Edgware Road. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) Just looking on the tfl website it does say that. Also it sounds like the other closures are due to the White City Shopping project, so nothing can get back to Hammersmith. The H&C is running east of Kings Cross with the trains booked to stable at Barking. So what of the Olympia shuttle? I'll have a look in the Traffic Circulare and EWSA to see what they say. |
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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message h.li... On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Mizter T wrote: On 14 Jan, 18:02, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message ... Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL resignalling? My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line There was a discussion recently that quoted TfL as saying SWT wouldn't be allowed on the line after resignalling unless they fitted all their stock (that might need to use the line) with trip cocks... I was under the vague impression that the LU SSLs were ditching the whole trip cock system altogether. They are. They just put that restriction in to get a rise out of SWT. I found what triggered that discussion - an article on the District in Modern Railways (Oct 2007): "East Putney & Wimbledon. The infrastructure of this outpost of the London &South Western Railway [1] will be transferred to LU and the SSL signalling scheme will apply. This in turn will require SWT either to fit all the trains which it wishes to use on this line with the appropriate equipment, or to abandon its use altogether." [1] Network Rail surely! Based on interview with the District line general manager, apparently... Paul S |
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Paul Scott wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message h.li... On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Mizter T wrote: On 14 Jan, 18:02, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message ... Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL resignalling? My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line There was a discussion recently that quoted TfL as saying SWT wouldn't be allowed on the line after resignalling unless they fitted all their stock (that might need to use the line) with trip cocks... I was under the vague impression that the LU SSLs were ditching the whole trip cock system altogether. They are. They just put that restriction in to get a rise out of SWT. I found what triggered that discussion - an article on the District in Modern Railways (Oct 2007): "East Putney & Wimbledon. The infrastructure of this outpost of the London &South Western Railway [1] will be transferred to LU and the SSL signalling scheme will apply. This in turn will require SWT either to fit all the trains which it wishes to use on this line with the appropriate equipment, or to abandon its use altogether." [1] Network Rail surely! Based on interview with the District line general manager, apparently... It'll be interesting to see if they apply the same criteria to the running of Piccadilly Line trains through Ealing Common. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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On Jan 15, 5:00 pm, "Richard J." wrote:
Paul Scott wrote: "Tom Anderson" wrote in message th.li... On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Mizter T wrote: On 14 Jan, 18:02, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message ... Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL resignalling? My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line There was a discussion recently that quoted TfL as saying SWT wouldn't be allowed on the line after resignalling unless they fitted all their stock (that might need to use the line) with trip cocks... I was under the vague impression that the LU SSLs were ditching the whole trip cock system altogether. They are. They just put that restriction in to get a rise out of SWT. I found what triggered that discussion - an article on the District in Modern Railways (Oct 2007): "East Putney & Wimbledon. The infrastructure of this outpost of the London &South Western Railway [1] will be transferred to LU and the SSL signalling scheme will apply. This in turn will require SWT either to fit all the trains which it wishes to use on this line with the appropriate equipment, or to abandon its use altogether." [1] Network Rail surely! Based on interview with the District line general manager, apparently... It'll be interesting to see if they apply the same criteria to the running of Piccadilly Line trains through Ealing Common. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) This a Metronet area (though currently Tubelines deal with faults). The PPP contract states that inter-running of Piccadilly and District line trains must be maintaned between Hanger Lane Junction and Barons Court. How this will work, I don't know! (However, South Harrow to Rayners Lane has been missed out!) |
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