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At stations where the UTS gates remain open for a part of the day, will they
close the gates and leave the side gate open but unlocked when the oyster
becomes introduced, or will they stay open like at the moment? Also, my
sister would like to know for when she gets a prepay when money be deducted,
at the start or end of the journey.
Thanks,
Joe

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:29:16 +0100, Joe Patrick wrote:
At stations where the UTS gates remain open for a part of the day, will they
close the gates and leave the side gate open but unlocked when the oyster
becomes introduced, or will they stay open like at the moment?

They will stay open but you will still have to swipe your Oyster.
Not all stations have gates but validators have been fitted in most
places. The prepay is going to require a certain amount of
honesty/random checks but that's no change from the current system.

Also, my
sister would like to know for when she gets a prepay when money be deducted,
at the start or end of the journey.

Allegedly a maximum cost single will be deducted and then some
credit will be put back on at the end of your journey.

David

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"Joe Patrick" wrote in message ...
At stations where the UTS gates remain open for a part of the day, will they
close the gates and leave the side gate open but unlocked when the oyster
becomes introduced, or will they stay open like at the moment? Also, my
sister would like to know for when she gets a prepay when money be deducted,
at the start or end of the journey.
Thanks,
Joe

At East Finchley most of the time the gates are open, when you renew
your Oyster via the web the card needs to be swiped in order to load
the new ticket, even with the gates open I still need to swipe
occasionally.

I've noted the new type gate give you a message something like ticket
about to expire or tkt about to expr (My ticket runs out 28th)

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David Walters wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:29:16 +0100, Joe Patrick wrote:

At stations where the UTS gates remain open for a part of the day, will they
close the gates and leave the side gate open but unlocked when the oyster
becomes introduced, or will they stay open like at the moment?


They will stay open but you will still have to swipe your Oyster.
Not all stations have gates but validators have been fitted in most
places. The prepay is going to require a certain amount of
honesty/random checks but that's no change from the current system.


In fact, the other day I noticed that validators have been fitted at the
DLR stations I use. They're just stuck in the middle of no-where,
generally hanging around the places where people might walk past.

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:55:31 +0100, David Walters
wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:29:16 +0100, Joe Patrick wrote:
At stations where the UTS gates remain open for a part of the day, will they
close the gates and leave the side gate open but unlocked when the oyster
becomes introduced, or will they stay open like at the moment?

They will stay open but you will still have to swipe your Oyster.
Not all stations have gates but validators have been fitted in most
places. The prepay is going to require a certain amount of
honesty/random checks but that's no change from the current system.

Also, my
sister would like to know for when she gets a prepay when money be deducted,
at the start or end of the journey.

Allegedly a maximum cost single will be deducted and then some
credit will be put back on at the end of your journey.

Correct.

If you only validate on exit, the full cost comes off.

If you fail to validate when entering the system and get caught by an
RPI, you're liable to penalty fare.

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In article , Robert Woolley
writes
Allegedly a maximum cost single will be deducted and then some
credit will be put back on at the end of your journey.

Correct.

If you only validate on exit, the full cost comes off.

The full cost of what? Are you implying it would be the most expensive
fare that you could have needed to get there (eg a single from Z5 if you
were exiting in Z1)? Is there any warning in case it was an equipment
fault that prevented the registration of the start of your journey?
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In message , David Walters
writes
Allegedly a maximum cost single will be deducted and then some credit
will be put back on at the end of your journey.

So what happens if the ticket gates are working at the start of your
journey but not at the end of your journey?
Surely it would better to take off a minimum cost single. And then take
the extra off at the end?
You don't want to overcharge people or nowt..........
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:50:32 +0100, CJG wrote:
In message , David Walters
writes
Allegedly a maximum cost single will be deducted and then some credit
will be put back on at the end of your journey.

So what happens if the ticket gates are working at the start of your
journey but not at the end of your journey?
Surely it would better to take off a minimum cost single. And then take
the extra off at the end?
You don't want to overcharge people or nowt..........

There needs to be an incentive for people to scan their tickets on
the way out. If a minimum single was deducted on entry then when
people exited at a station with open barriers I suspect the number
of people claiming faulty equipment would be very high.

David

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:06:22 -0400, Roland Perry wrote:
In article , Robert Woolley
writes
Allegedly a maximum cost single will be deducted and then some
credit will be put back on at the end of your journey.

Correct.

If you only validate on exit, the full cost comes off.

The full cost of what? Are you implying it would be the most expensive
fare that you could have needed to get there (eg a single from Z5 if you
were exiting in Z1)?

Single from Z6D I assume (5.50) since they have no way of knowing
if you changed, traveled through zone 1 to get to your current zone
etc.

Is there any warning in case it was an equipment
fault that prevented the registration of the start of your journey?

If the gates are open you need to wait for them to say enter. If
you swipe to quickly (which I assume means the communication between
the barrier and your card hasn't finished) then you get a seek
assitance together with some loud beeping.

David

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In article , David Walters
writes
If the gates are open you need to wait for them to say enter. If
you swipe to quickly (which I assume means the communication between
the barrier and your card hasn't finished) then you get a seek
assitance together with some loud beeping.

Bt what it you don't enter via a gate, but use one of the devices at the
ex carnet-verifier sites (like Farringdon station)?
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:03:10 -0400, Roland Perry wrote:
In article , David Walters
writes
If the gates are open you need to wait for them to say enter. If
you swipe to quickly (which I assume means the communication between
the barrier and your card hasn't finished) then you get a seek
assitance together with some loud beeping.

Bt what it you don't enter via a gate, but use one of the devices at the
ex carnet-verifier sites (like Farringdon station)?

They have a series of LEDs. Wait for the green one to come on. I
expect the LCD display might say something helpful and they might
even beep but I'm yet to find one that is open.

David

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:27:03 -0400, Roland Perry wrote:
In article , David Walters
writes
They have a series of LEDs. Wait for the green one to come on.

These are the LEDs that helpfully turn red at the moment when you put a
valid paper ticket in?

Yes. Swipe too quickly and the red one comes on.

David

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In article , David Walters
writes
These are the LEDs that helpfully turn red at the moment when you put a
valid paper ticket in?

Yes. Swipe too quickly and the red one comes on.

But why have the LEDs come on *at all* when you use the paper ticket?
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:55:08 -0400, Roland Perry
wrote:

In article , David Walters
writes
These are the LEDs that helpfully turn red at the moment when you put a
valid paper ticket in?

Yes. Swipe too quickly and the red one comes on.

But why have the LEDs come on *at all* when you use the paper ticket?

They go red to tell you that you can't use an oyster at the moment
because the gate is already in use.

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In article , K
writes
But why have the LEDs come on *at all* when you use the paper ticket?

They go red to tell you that you can't use an oyster at the moment
because the gate is already in use.

But I know the gate's in use - I'm standing in it!!!!

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:10:39 -0400, Roland Perry
wrote:

In article , Robin May
writes
Oh well. Perhaps, given time, you can learn to live with this red LED,
even though it is clearly very disturbing for you.

It's the way it conditions people away from "red means stop". You stick
in your ticket and the gate says "Red - OK, proceed".

Erm, the colour sequence is:

a) Amber - Ready to read.

b) Red - Oyster rejected or not ready to read.

c) Green - Oyster read ok, no problems.


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In article , Robert Woolley
writes
Erm, the colour sequence is:

a) Amber - Ready to read.
OK.

b) Red - Oyster rejected or not ready to read.
No, Red - paper ticket accepted.

c) Green - Oyster read ok, no problems.
Never seen green. Why isn't "paper ticket accepted" green?

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Roland Perry wrote the following in:


In article , Robin May
writes
Oh well. Perhaps, given time, you can learn to live with this red
LED, even though it is clearly very disturbing for you.

It's the way it conditions people away from "red means stop". You
stick in your ticket and the gate says "Red - OK, proceed".

I think most people actually look at the big screen on the top of the
gate, not the tiny little LEDs on a pass reader which they aren't using
and have no reason to use.

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In article , Robin May
writes
I think most people actually look at the big screen on the top of the
gate, not the tiny little LEDs on a pass reader which they aren't using
and have no reason to use.

I use the gates all the time, and have never seen a "big screen". The
Oystercard reader is right there, where you insert the ticket.

I think he means the bit that says 'Enter' and 'Seek Assistance'.

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:44:03 +0100, "Ed Crowley"
wrote:

I think he means the bit that says 'Enter' and 'Seek Assistance'.

Or the fact that the barriers open if the ticket is valid (if
applicable once it has been removed)!

(Doesn't apply if you're touching an Oyster on an already-open
barrier, mind).

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:40:40 -0400, Roland Perry
wrote:

In article , Robert Woolley
writes
Erm, the colour sequence is:

a) Amber - Ready to read.
OK.

b) Red - Oyster rejected or not ready to read.
No, Red - paper ticket accepted.

I hold a staff pass (Oyster based). The red led comes on if theres a
misread. It is also on if the reader is off-line.

If a mag-stripe ticket goes through the gate the reader is not ready
to read, ergo the read light.


c) Green - Oyster read ok, no problems.
Never seen green. Why isn't "paper ticket accepted" green?

Because the main display shows whether a mag stripe ticket has read
ok.


Hopefully Paul Corfield will be along later and can explain....

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In article , Roland Perry
writes
They go red to tell you that you can't use an oyster at the moment
because the gate is already in use.
But I know the gate's in use - I'm standing in it!!!!

You shouldn't be. I don't stand in gates - I put my ticket in and (if
the gate takes it) grab it and walk through the still-open gate without
breaking stride.

Think of the person behind you. You've grabbed your ticket and walked
through the gate. If they've got an Oyster, it's important they don't
swipe it until the gate is ready, hence the red light.

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:17:20 -0400, Roland Perry
wrote:

In article , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
But I know the gate's in use - I'm standing in it!!!!

You shouldn't be. I don't stand in gates - I put my ticket in and (if the gate
takes it) grab it and walk through the still-open gate without breaking stride.

I used to do that. Don't any more. About a year ago a gate failed to
open and I banged into it with sufficient force to cause ongoing
discomfort.

Think of the person behind you. You've grabbed your ticket and walked through
the gate. If they've got an Oyster, it's important they don't swipe it until the
gate is ready, hence the red light.

If I have a paper ticket and they have an Oyster, I don't understand why
it can't cope with processing the Oyster as soon as they are near
enough.

If I have an Oyster and they have an Oyster, does it go GREEN-RED quick
enough for them to see?

It goes Green - Yellow.

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"Robert Woolley" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:17:20 -0400, Roland Perry
wrote:

In article , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
But I know the gate's in use - I'm standing in it!!!!

You shouldn't be. I don't stand in gates - I put my ticket in and (if
the gate
takes it) grab it and walk through the still-open gate without breaking
stride.

I used to do that. Don't any more. About a year ago a gate failed to
open and I banged into it with sufficient force to cause ongoing
discomfort.

Think of the person behind you. You've grabbed your ticket and walked
through
the gate. If they've got an Oyster, it's important they don't swipe it
until the
gate is ready, hence the red light.

If I have a paper ticket and they have an Oyster, I don't understand why
it can't cope with processing the Oyster as soon as they are near
enough.

If I have an Oyster and they have an Oyster, does it go GREEN-RED quick
enough for them to see?

It goes Green - Yellow.

Does any of this really matter? The real annoying issue is that when an
Oystercard is used, the barriers make a beep similar to when a child ticket
is used ...

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:51:15 +0100, Ed Crowley wrote:
Does any of this really matter? The real annoying issue is that when an
Oystercard is used, the barriers make a beep similar to when a child ticket
is used ...

For people with poor vision this could be very helpful, especially
at staions with open barriers.

I haven't heard what a busy sation full of Oystercard users sounds
like but I'm sure it's easy to turn the beep off if it becomes a
problem.

David

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"David Walters" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:51:15 +0100, Ed Crowley
wrote:
Does any of this really matter? The real annoying issue is that when an
Oystercard is used, the barriers make a beep similar to when a child
ticket
is used ...

For people with poor vision this could be very helpful, especially
at staions with open barriers.

I haven't heard what a busy sation full of Oystercard users sounds
like but I'm sure it's easy to turn the beep off if it becomes a
problem.

It's more the fact that it looks (sounds?) like you're travelling on a child
ticket ...