After a few weeks of getting back to work after the Christmas break,
and with the closure of the ELL for over 2 years - what alternatives
are found to be the best ? I need to get from Green Park to SE4 1UY,
previously Jubilee to Canada Water, ELL to NewX Gate and bus to
SE4. I could take the 436 us from Hyde Park Corner - door to door,
but journey over an hour most times.
I've tried Jubilee to Canary Wharf, walk to Heron Quays, DLR to
Deptford Bridge, and walk.
The Tfl Journey Planner site seems to always advise, Jubilee from
Green Park to London Bridge, then a Southern service to New X Gate, or
Southeastern to New Cross - - but Pay as You Go OYSTERS are invalid
for this . Any thoughts ?

David wrote:

The Tfl Journey Planner site seems to always advise, Jubilee from
Green Park to London Bridge, then a Southern service to New X Gate, or
Southeastern to New Cross - - but Pay as You Go OYSTERS are invalid
for this . Any thoughts ?

Buy a Travelcard?
--
Michael Hoffman

On 23 Jan, 23:37, Michael Hoffman wrote:
David wrote:
The Tfl Journey Planner site seems to always advise, Jubilee from
Green Park to London Bridge, then a Southern service to New X Gate, or
Southeastern to New Cross - - but Pay as You Go OYSTERS are invalid
for this . Any thoughts ?

Buy a Travelcard?
--
Michael Hoffman

unfortunately I do not use the route every day - - and sometimes only
in one direction in one day.

unfortunately I do not use the route every day - - and sometimes only
in one direction in one day.

OK? So buy a paper travelcard? It's only 50p more then the Oyster Cap, and
gives you freedom on National Rail.

:LEWIS:

On 25 Jan, 10:53, "Lew 1" wrote:
unfortunately I do not use the route every day - - and sometimes only
in one direction in one day.

OK? So buy a paper travelcard? It's only 50p more then the Oyster Cap, and
gives you freedom on National Rail.

:LEWIS:

I think the best solution - - cheers

On 26 Jan, 10:46, David wrote:
On 25 Jan, 10:53, "Lew 1" wrote:

unfortunately I do not use the route every day - - and sometimes only
in one direction in one day.

OK? So buy a paper travelcard? It's only 50p more then the Oyster Cap, and
gives you freedom on National Rail.

:LEWIS:

I think the best solution - - cheers


Though unfortunately things are a little more complicated.

A weekday daytime single journey (M-F between 7am-7pm) on the Tube to
Canada Water, or a through journey via the Tube and DLR to Deptford
Bridge, will cost £2 with Oyster PAYG. Any subsequent bus journeys
will cost 90p each.

If you make your journeys off-peak, that is after 09.30am weekdays,
then you'll qualify for the off-peak Oyster daily cap for zones 1&2-
which is £4.80. However journeys you make before 09.30am will only
qualify for the peak daily cap - which is £6.30 - however, two Tube
and two bus journeys will not mean you reach this level, and so you
will only pay £5.80 (£2 + £2 +90p +90p).

Meanwhile a zones 1&2 off-peak Day Travelcard - valid for travel after
09.30am including on National Rail - will cost you £5.30. However a
zones 1&2 Peak Day Travelcard - valid for travel before 09.30am, again
also on National Rail - will cost you £6.80.

Therefore depending upon when you travel, and whether you travel all
the way there by Underground/DLR or also use a bus and/or a National
Rail train (bearing in mind the East London Line replacement bus is in
effect free), the cost of your travelling will vary between £4 and
£6.80 for a return journey.

However if you want to make a return journey, including using National
Rail to get to and from New Cross, then the Peak Day Travelcard at
£6.80 is your best bet. If however you are only going to use National
Rail one way, in particular before 09.30am, then using Oyster PAYG
plus a £2.30 single train ticket between London Bridge and New Cross
or New Cross Gate would likely be better (the only problem being that
you actually have the fiddle of buying that ticket when you start that
journey from either London Bridge or one of the New Cross stations).

David wrote:

After a few weeks of getting back to work after the Christmas break,
and with the closure of the ELL for over 2 years - what alternatives
are found to be the best ? I need to get from Green Park to SE4 1UY,
previously Jubilee to Canada Water, ELL to NewX Gate and bus to
SE4. I could take the 436 us from Hyde Park Corner - door to door,
but journey over an hour most times.


So the destination is somewhere on or just off Lewisham Way, between
Tanners Hill and Friendly Street...


I've tried Jubilee to Canary Wharf, walk to Heron Quays, DLR to
Deptford Bridge, and walk.


The above sounds like quite a good route to me.

An alternative would be to take the Jubilee to Canada Water, then the
ELC replacement bus to New Cross, and get off the bus on New Cross Rd
opposite New Cross station and walk up via Alpha Road and Florence
Road to Lewisham Way. The ELC buses go every 5 minutes during peak
times, and every 8-10 minutes at other times, and from what I gather
they are reliable, though of course they are at the mercy of traffic
conditions. You can but try it.

Or you could take the Victoria line from Green Park to Vauxhall then
the 436 from there, which would cut out a bit of the bus journey (but
not that much).


The Tfl Journey Planner site seems to always advise, Jubilee from
Green Park to London Bridge, then a Southern service to New X Gate, or
Southeastern to New Cross - - but Pay as You Go OYSTERS are invalid
for this . Any thoughts ?


Oyster Pay-as-you-go (PAYG) is indeed not valid on southbound rail
services from London Bridge - so if you want to go by mainline rail
you'll need to buy a paper ticket. How often do you make this journey,
and when do you travel?

If it is just occasionally, and is before 0930, then you can buy a
Peak Day Travelcard for zones 1&2 from Green Park (if that is indeed
your starting point) - it costs £6.80. If you are travelling after
0930, an off-peak Day Travelcard for zones 1&2 will do - that costs
£5.30.

If you make this return journey four or more times a week then a
weekly, monthly or longer season Travelcard would be worthwhile.

The alternative of buying separate tickets for the rail journey is not
worthwhile - a single costs £2.30, a return £4 and a cheap-day return
(available if you departed from London Bridge after 0930) is £3.20
(the fares to New Cross, New Cross Gate or St Johns are the same,
though the tickets are not interchangeable).

Alternatively if you wish to keep the expense down then either going
via the Jubilee and then DLR to Deptford Bridge, or via the Jubilee
then the replacement bus, will cost you £2 (weekdays 7am-7pm) or £1.50
(at other times) for a single journey using Oyster PAYG.

By the way, if you don't want the TfL Journey Planner to show you
routes that involve travelling by mainline rail (aka National Rail)
then you can select this under "Advanced options".

Lastly, there's one other completely different route you could try -
though again you'd need a separate ticket or Travelcard. You could
take the Victoria line to Victoria, then the half-hourly Southeastern
service to Lewisham (final destination Dartford), then take one of
many buses (136, 436, 21 or 321) up Loampit Vale, Loampit Hill and
Lewisham Way.

On Jan 23, 11:17 pm, David wrote:
After a few weeks of getting back to work after the Christmas break,
and with the closure of the ELL for over 2 years - what alternatives
are found to be the best ? I need to get from Green Park to SE4 1UY,
previously Jubilee to Canada Water, ELL to NewX Gate and bus to
SE4. I could take the 436 us from Hyde Park Corner - door to door,
but journey over an hour most times.
I've tried Jubilee to Canary Wharf, walk to Heron Quays, DLR to
Deptford Bridge, and walk.
The Tfl Journey Planner site seems to always advise, Jubilee from
Green Park to London Bridge, then a Southern service to New X Gate, or
Southeastern to New Cross - - but Pay as You Go OYSTERS are invalid
for this . Any thoughts ?

I would go Green Park to Victoria, then take the 436 from there.

On Jan 24, 6:19*am, Offramp wrote:
On Jan 23, 11:17 pm, David wrote:

After a few weeks of getting back *to work after the Christmas break,
and with the closure of the ELL for over 2 years - what alternatives
are found to be the best ? I need to get from Green Park to SE4 1UY,
previously Jubilee to Canada Water, ELL to NewX *Gate and bus to
SE4. * * I could take the 436 us from Hyde Park Corner - door to door,
but journey over an hour most times.
I've tried Jubilee to Canary Wharf, walk to Heron Quays, DLR to
Deptford Bridge, and walk.
The Tfl Journey Planner site seems to always advise, Jubilee from
Green Park to London Bridge, then a Southern service to New X Gate, or
Southeastern to New Cross - - but Pay as You Go OYSTERS are invalid
for this . * Any thoughts ?

I would go Green Park to Victoria, then take the 436 from there.

I'd minimise the bus and go to Canada water, then whichever of
replacement bus, 225 or 47 that turned up first

On 24 Jan, 09:06, MIG wrote:
On Jan 24, 6:19 am, Offramp wrote:



On Jan 23, 11:17 pm, David wrote:

After a few weeks of getting back to work after the Christmas break,
and with the closure of the ELL for over 2 years - what alternatives
are found to be the best ? I need to get from Green Park to SE4 1UY,
previously Jubilee to Canada Water, ELL to NewX Gate and bus to
SE4. I could take the 436 us from Hyde Park Corner - door to door,
but journey over an hour most times.
I've tried Jubilee to Canary Wharf, walk to Heron Quays, DLR to
Deptford Bridge, and walk.
The Tfl Journey Planner site seems to always advise, Jubilee from
Green Park to London Bridge, then a Southern service to New X Gate, or
Southeastern to New Cross - - but Pay as You Go OYSTERS are invalid
for this . Any thoughts ?

I would go Green Park to Victoria, then take the 436 from there.

Except if you're taking the Victoria line you might as well go to
Vauxhall then catch the 436 - or indeed the 36 to New Cross Gate, then
another bus (or even walk).


I'd minimise the bus and go to Canada water, then whichever of
replacement bus, 225 or 47 that turned up first


That's a good idea, though it is somewhat foiled by the fact that the
ELC replacement bus leaves from the other side of Canada Water bus
station to the 47 and 225. The stops at Canada Water were all rejigged
when the ELL replacement buses started running - unfortunately whilst
the old spider map for Canada Water has been taken off the TfL
website, the updated version isn't up there yet (I have just sent TfL
some feedback on this). Nonetheless just going via the 47 or 225
isn't a bad idea.

In the opposite direction - i.e. going back to Canada Water - then the
OP would have to make a decision as to whether they should wait for
the ELC replacement bus at New Cross or the 47 or 225 on Brookmill
Road.

One further point to make - use of the ELL replacement buses doesn't
cost anything extra (whilst a ticket is required, with Oyster you are
charged a 0p fare), whilst if one travelled on the 47 or 225 the
normal bus fare (90p when using Oyster PAYG) must be paid.