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51 Old trackbed next to central line
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Paul Scott wrote:
wrote: On Feb 4, 7:00 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: There appears to be a disused trackbed in the Perivale Area which passes under the Central Line West Ruislip branch in the Rydal Crescent area. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl Anyone know any more about it? I think you might be looking at the mostly singled section of the old GW route up from Paddington to South Ruislip and on towards High Wycombe, but it would count as lightly used, rather than disused. No thie route I was looking at is now grassland and fenced off and passes under the Central and NR lines via a brick arch. Ah right - looking at Google Earth, is that the grassed bit that crosses Rydal Crescent at the bend at the east end, then passes the south end of Thirlemere Ave; running sort of east/west at that point? If so - that's a good question - can't see any reference to a railway in either of my usually accurate London Rail references... Checking www.old-maps.co.uk for the area (1935 map) seems to suggests a route for a water main or something? I F*CKING TOLD YOU SO!! Am i good, or what? Well, okay, i said a sewer, but maybe it's a water main. That does make a lot of sense - i was wondering where the sewage could be heading to, but if it's a water main, it's a question of where the water could be coming from, which is a question with a lot more answers in this part of the world. With a valve house a couple of hundred yards east of Thirlemere Ave, and a line of posts heading off to the SW, and then down past Greenford and through Southall, passing pretty near various 'works' in the general direction of Staines... That's it! Staines! Okay, now the western continuation of the route is clear - i was caught up with the idea of it having been obliterated by the A40, but that's rubbish; a couple of hundred metres west of the last point i could see, it's plain as day again: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...2722,-0.331593 And even before that, you can trace it in the line of the edge of an estate: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...3328,-0.326833 It's a conspicuous ridge across Perivale Park: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...30493,-0.33968 Turns a corner at an estate: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...7716,-0.349358 Does duty as a playground, tennis courts, patch of grass, yards, zebra crossing (!), carpark, and the ubiquitous oblong empty patch: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...23456,-0.35282 More carpark, gardens, crosses a road, resurfaces as an abandoned railway lookalike: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...9499,-0.355731 Which turns into the gardens of some naff tower blocks, and then disappears into a golf course. Here, we're somewhere called Dormers Wells, so this could be a source of the water. No, hang on, found it again masquerading as a street with a pleasantly grassy median: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...9664,-0.361583 Which goes through a dead-giveaway tunnel under the GWML and emerges as another green strip through an industrial estate: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...6859,-0.361379 It's just about visible as a change in the shade of the grass in this ... place, whatever it is: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...4211,-0.361583 Ducks under the canal to become an alarmingly straight alley round the back of the houses: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...0749,-0.362066 Crosses loads of fields, again visible by tone, most strikingly he http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...3695,-0.364024 Does duty as a linear park once again: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...1142,-0.369716 Passes under the Great West Road, and attempts to shake off the inattentive observer by turning west a little under Harris Close, but the eye of an expert detects it again as another alignment of path and garden: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...5219,-0.374874 It crosses a road and another sports ground, again barely visible by colour, and then slices through an estate where a dazzle-camouflage scheme of garden division has been applied to conceal it; you really need a ruler on your screen to follow it: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...9054,-0.383652 It becomes a proper street, Corporation Avenue, and then another bit of railway lookalike: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...3837,-0.389543 Crosses a field, becomes something new - a path through a wood: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...8613,-0.391753 Another bit of McTrackbed that winds up hitting the Windsor line: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...0679,-0.394703 And again almost vanishing; you can just about trace its path across some scrubland to a couple of fragments of people's gardens: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...7645,-0.395527 Across a sports ground to a point where it turns west again, and cuts through a strip of housing: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...4009,-0.396795 Provides a nice, wide verge: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...9935,-0.402433 It gets a bit hard to follow here. I think it curves south: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...3718,-0.405872 Runs past some allotments, crosses a road, and then provides a lovely line of modestly-sized trees: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...1877,-0.405757 And runs into a carpark alongside a row of little concrete island thingies: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...0001,-0.404686 And straight into a big white building, which i understand is Jobs's Dairy. On the other side of that, it reappears very briefly: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...2928,-0.403935 Before disappearing under the A316. The furthest i can extrapolate it is to the middle of that road: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=21...8036,-0.404753 Why there, you ask? Zoom out. tom -- Hier gaan over het tij, de wind, de maan en wij. |
Old trackbed next to central line
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Paul Scott wrote: wrote: On Feb 4, 7:00 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: There appears to be a disused trackbed in the Perivale Area which passes under the Central Line West Ruislip branch in the Rydal Crescent area. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl Anyone know any more about it? I think you might be looking at the mostly singled section of the old GW route up from Paddington to South Ruislip and on towards High Wycombe, but it would count as lightly used, rather than disused. No thie route I was looking at is now grassland and fenced off and passes under the Central and NR lines via a brick arch. Checking www.old-maps.co.uk for the area (1935 map) seems to suggests a route for a water main or something? With a valve house a couple of hundred yards east of Thirlemere Ave, and a line of posts heading off to the SW, and then down past Greenford and through Southall, passing pretty near various 'works' in the general direction of Staines... That's it! Staines! http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=21...8036,-0.404753 Bugger it, that was supposed to be http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=21...7933,-0.404373 Which works much more dramatically. Also, apologies for changing the subject line on my previous post - i had focus somewhere i wasn't expecting it to be while typing, and failed to notice before i sent. Why there, you ask? Zoom out. Bonus fact - that's the new pumping station (probably), but a little way to the south is the old one: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...5875,-0.404831 Which is now a museum, housing the world's largest working steam engine: http://www.kemptonsteam.org/ How good is that? The page on the history of the site mentions that the water was pumped to Cricklewood, so it seems my route-following in the other direction was right. And, bugger it, there is an absolutely blatant continuation of the route past the Chiltern line: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...5868,-0.245551 And oh look, a covered reservoir and a pumping station: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...8276,-0.227773 And there it is in writing: http://www.bhphousing.co.uk/news.nsf...9?OpenDocument That'd be a good pub quiz question - "what links Cricklewood and Kempton Park?". Answer: "thirteen and a half miles of pipe"! This guy was evidently as fascinated by this whole secret pipe business as me: http://middlesexcountycouncil.org.uk...16&Itemi d=27 And he uses the word 'omphalos', so my ley-line theory is also vindicated. Aaaaaand finally, i bet you weren't expecting this: getting back on topic, there was a narrow-gauge railway at Kempton Park to bring coal to the boiler house that fed the pumping engines: http://railways-of-britain.com/mwb.html tom -- Hier gaan over het tij, de wind, de maan en wij. |
Old trackbed next to central line
Tom Anderson wrote:
That'd be a good pub quiz question - "what links Cricklewood and Kempton Park?". Answer: "thirteen and a half miles of pipe"! I have raised this issue before, presumably before your time here. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....7d17e9460caab3 10/10 for getting it to the pumping station in Kempton Park... I was only able to follow it to Hounslow Heath, but this was using the London Photographic Atlas, since Google Earth and free satellite photography on the web did not yet exist. It's funny to think how primitive things were for us land use enthusiasts only 7 years ago. The other end of the pipe is not Cricklewood: it can easily be followed to Fortis Green Pumping Station in Woodside Avenue N10. http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&ie=U...9978&z=17&om=0 |
Old trackbed next to central line
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, John Rowland wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: That'd be a good pub quiz question - "what links Cricklewood and Kempton Park?". Answer: "thirteen and a half miles of pipe"! I have raised this issue before, presumably before your time here. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....7d17e9460caab3 Curses! Yes, i think that was before my time. I only moved to London in about 2003. 10/10 for getting it to the pumping station in Kempton Park... I was only able to follow it to Hounslow Heath, but this was using the London Photographic Atlas, since Google Earth and free satellite photography on the web did not yet exist. It's funny to think how primitive things were for us land use enthusiasts only 7 years ago. Yes, and all that gravel you had to eat for breakfast! :) Interesting that you identify this is as the province of land use loonies; i was following the route in my capacity as an underground structure loony. The other end of the pipe is not Cricklewood: it can easily be followed to Fortis Green Pumping Station in Woodside Avenue N10. http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&ie=U...9978&z=17&om=0 Perhaps arguable; i think that's a different pipe which also connects to Cricklewood. Although that's really a matter of semantics. We should do a map of all underground features in London that are identifiable from the air. In fact, of all hidden structures that are visible from the air all over the UK - i'm also a fan of finding disused WW2 airfields that way. tom -- Mathematics is the door and the key to the sciences. -- Roger Bacon |
Old trackbed next to central line
Thanks for solving the mystery. I'd assumed it was an old industrial or agricultural private siding which was still extant at the time the GWR doubled the line in the 30s to accomodate the future Central Line. |
Old trackbed next to central line
Tom Anderson wrote:
The other end of the pipe is not Cricklewood: it can easily be followed to Fortis Green Pumping Station in Woodside Avenue N10. Perhaps arguable; i think that's a different pipe which also connects to Cricklewood. Although that's really a matter of semantics. Not really: it was either built as one project or two. Since the pipe is practically a straight line[1] from Fortis Green to the Hoover Building forecourt, and the Cricklewood pumping station is a little off to one side, it is a single pipe. We should do a map of all underground features in London that are identifiable from the air. There already is one - it's called Google Earth ;-) [1] It goes a bit mental around Woodheyes Rd and Mulgrave Rd. It's almost as if they had already built most of the alignment from Hanworth to Forts Green before their plan to demolish some houses in this area was scrapped. |
Old trackbed next to central line
On Feb 5, 1:36*am, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Tom Anderson wrote: On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Paul Scott wrote: wrote: On Feb 4, 7:00 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: There appears to be a disused trackbed in the Perivale Area which passes under the Central Line West Ruislip branch in the Rydal Crescent area. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl Anyone know any more about it? I think you might be looking at the mostly singled section of the old GW route up from Paddington to South Ruislip and on towards High Wycombe, but it would count as lightly used, rather than disused. No thie route I was looking at is now grassland and fenced off and passes under the Central and NR lines via a brick arch. Checkingwww.old-maps.co.ukfor the area (1935 map) seems to suggests a route for a water main or something? With a valve house a couple of hundred yards east of Thirlemere Ave, and a line of posts heading off to the SW, and then down past Greenford and through Southall, passing pretty near various 'works' in the general direction of Staines... That's it! Staines! http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=21...8036,-0.404753 Bugger it, that was supposed to be http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=21...7933,-0.404373 Which works much more dramatically. Also, apologies for changing the subject line on my previous post - i had focus somewhere i wasn't expecting it to be while typing, and failed to notice before i sent. Why there, you ask? Zoom out. Bonus fact - that's the new pumping station (probably), but a little way to the south is the old one: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...5875,-0.404831 Which is now a museum, housing the world's largest working steam engine: http://www.kemptonsteam.org/ How good is that? The page on the history of the site mentions that the water was pumped to Cricklewood, so it seems my route-following in the other direction was right. And, bugger it, there is an absolutely blatant continuation of the route past the Chiltern line: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...5868,-0.245551 And oh look, a covered reservoir and a pumping station: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&z=19...8276,-0.227773 And there it is in writing: http://www.bhphousing.co.uk/news.nsf...25663c006c7944... That'd be a good pub quiz question - "what links Cricklewood and Kempton Park?". Answer: "thirteen and a half miles of pipe"! This guy was evidently as fascinated by this whole secret pipe business as me: http://middlesexcountycouncil.org.uk...om_content&tas... And he uses the word 'omphalos', so my ley-line theory is also vindicated. Aaaaaand finally, i bet you weren't expecting this: getting back on topic, there was a narrow-gauge railway at Kempton Park to bring coal to the boiler house that fed the pumping engines: http://railways-of-britain.com/mwb.html tom -- Hier gaan over het tij, de wind, de maan en wij.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hi - thought I'd ley you know, I'm the guy who writes the middlesexcountycouncil website. The green lane you describe is a 42 and 48 inch watermain built early in the 20th Century to link the new river water company with the Hampton system. It does run east beyond Cricklewood. If you go to http://middlesexcountycouncil.org.uk...d=17&Itemid=35 and scroll down there are 4 or 5 pages describing the route stage by stage from the viewpoint of a walker. Cheers. |
Old trackbed next to central line
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Hi - thought I'd ley you know, I'm the guy who writes the middlesexcountycouncil website. The green lane you describe is a 42 and 48 inch watermain built early in the 20th Century to link the new river water company with the Hampton system. It does run east beyond Cricklewood. If you go to http://middlesexcountycouncil.org.uk...d=17&Itemid=35 and scroll down there are 4 or 5 pages describing the route stage by stage from the viewpoint of a walker. He mentions a reservoir in Golders Green... where is it? Also one in West Hampstead.... is that the thing inside Gondar Gardens? |
Old trackbed next to central line
On Feb 19, 3:34*am, "John Rowland"
wrote: wrote: Hi - thought I'd ley you know, I'm the guy who writes the middlesexcountycouncil website. The green lane you describe is a 42 and 48 inch watermain built early in the 20th Century to link the new river water company with the Hampton system. It does run east beyond Cricklewood. If you go to http://middlesexcountycouncil.org.uk...om_content&tas.... and scroll down there are 4 or 5 pages describing the route stage by stage from the viewpoint of a walker. He mentions a reservoir in Golders Green... where is it? Also one in West Hampstead.... is that the thing inside Gondar Gardens? The reservoir is at the top of The Vale, close to Golders Green Finchley Road. There is a video I made featuring this (and other parts of the water main) at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnW1XDo7usI |
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