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Ticket Barrier Jumping
I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and
someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are staff not supposed to do something? -- Mark. www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk www.TwistedArts.co.uk www.BeautifulBondage.net |
Ticket Barrier Jumping
In message , MarkVarley -
MVP writes I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are staff not supposed to do something? These days, there's a limit to what could be done to avoid personal risk, be that physical abuse or trumped up "assault" charge. Oh for the days when folk had more respect for rules and each other... -- Kenny |
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On Mar 13, 11:05 am, MarkVarley - MVP
wrote: I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are staff not supposed to do something? -- Mark.http://www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.ukwww....fulBondage.net On station where there are more than one member of staff on the gateline, they would be challenged. If they are alone, then it could be dangerous to challenge someone. Sometimes the staff are lucky and there are BTP on the station who are sent after said non paying punter. |
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On Mar 13, 11:30 am, Kenny wrote:
In message , MarkVarley - MVP writesI was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are staff not supposed to do something? These days, there's a limit to what could be done to avoid personal risk, be that physical abuse or trumped up "assault" charge. Oh for the days when folk had more respect for rules and each other... Are LU staff legally allowed to grab someone? If they are I presume this would only be on LU property so if he's legged it out the station there wouldn't be much they could do anyway. B2003 |
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On 13 Mar, 17:10, Boltar wrote:
Are LU staff legally allowed to grab someone? If they are I presume this would only be on LU property so if he's legged it out the station there wouldn't be much they could do anyway. Just as for anyone who has reasonable suspicion that an arrestable offence has been committed, LU staff have the right to restrain a suspected travel fraudster - on or off their property. It's possible that their byelaws grant them additional rights on their own property. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On Mar 13, 11:05 am, MarkVarley - MVP
wrote: I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are staff not supposed to do something? Why didn't you stop him? |
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On Mar 13, 5:54 pm, John B wrote:
On 13 Mar, 17:10, Boltar wrote: Are LU staff legally allowed to grab someone? If they are I presume this would only be on LU property so if he's legged it out the station there wouldn't be much they could do anyway. Just as for anyone who has reasonable suspicion that an arrestable offence has been committed, LU staff have the right to restrain a suspected travel fraudster - on or off their property. Fare evasion used to be a non-arrestable offence, as was the byelaw of failing to use the gates correctly (if, for example, the man who leapt the gates had a valid ticket). Recently, there have been changes to the laws of England and it may now be that every offence is arrestable. |
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On 14 Mar, 02:24, Offramp wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:54 pm, John B wrote: On 13 Mar, 17:10, Boltar wrote: Are LU staff legally allowed to grab someone? If they are I presume this would only be on LU property so if he's legged it out the station there wouldn't be much they could do anyway. Just as for anyone who has reasonable suspicion that an arrestable offence has been committed, LU staff have the right to restrain a suspected travel fraudster - on or off their property. Fare evasion used to be a non-arrestable offence, as was the byelaw of failing to use the gates correctly (if, for example, the man who leapt the gates had a valid ticket). Recently, there have been changes to the laws of England and it may now be that every offence is arrestable. Certainly DNA-able, regardless of guilt |
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Offramp wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:54 pm, John B wrote: On 13 Mar, 17:10, Boltar wrote: Are LU staff legally allowed to grab someone? If they are I presume this would only be on LU property so if he's legged it out the station there wouldn't be much they could do anyway. Just as for anyone who has reasonable suspicion that an arrestable offence has been committed, LU staff have the right to restrain a suspected travel fraudster - on or off their property. Fare evasion used to be a non-arrestable offence, as was the byelaw of failing to use the gates correctly (if, for example, the man who leapt the gates had a valid ticket). Recently, there have been changes to the laws of England and it may now be that every offence is arrestable. By a constable. Other people can generally only arrest for indictable offences. -- Michael Hoffman |
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:21:25 -0700 (PDT), Offramp
wrote this gibberish: On Mar 13, 11:05 am, MarkVarley - MVP wrote: I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are staff not supposed to do something? Why didn't you stop him? Because putting myself in the line of fire when someone has only fractured a bylaw isn't something I do. I have stopped people comitting other offences though, including a recent thing at reading station. -- Mark. www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk www.TwistedArts.co.uk www.BeautifulBondage.net |
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"MarkVarley - MVP" wrote in message ... I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are staff not supposed to do something? -- Mark. www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk www.TwistedArts.co.uk www.BeautifulBondage.net You're lucky. Last year at Walthamstow Central someone pushed me out of the way in order to barge through the barrier on my ticket and there were four staff standing around near the barrier and not one of the sods did a thing or even asked me it I was alright. Marķa |
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MarkVarley - MVP wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:21:25 -0700 (PDT), Offramp wrote this gibberish: On Mar 13, 11:05 am, MarkVarley - MVP wrote: I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are staff not supposed to do something? Why didn't you stop him? Because putting myself in the line of fire when someone has only fractured a bylaw isn't something I do. I have stopped people comitting other offences though, including a recent thing at reading station Leave it to the station staff, then. Let them take the flak. |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:50:33 -0000, "Maria"
wrote this gibberish: "MarkVarley - MVP" wrote in message .. . I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are staff not supposed to do something? -- Mark. www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk www.TwistedArts.co.uk www.BeautifulBondage.net You're lucky. Last year at Walthamstow Central someone pushed me out of the way in order to barge through the barrier on my ticket and there were four staff standing around near the barrier and not one of the sods did a thing or even asked me it I was alright. Marķa a little common decency seems too much to ask sometimes. -- Mark. www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk www.TwistedArts.co.uk www.BeautifulBondage.net |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:11:24 -0700 (PDT), Offramp
wrote this gibberish: MarkVarley - MVP wrote: On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:21:25 -0700 (PDT), Offramp wrote this gibberish: On Mar 13, 11:05 am, MarkVarley - MVP wrote: I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are staff not supposed to do something? Why didn't you stop him? Because putting myself in the line of fire when someone has only fractured a bylaw isn't something I do. I have stopped people comitting other offences though, including a recent thing at reading station Leave it to the station staff, then. Let them take the flak. 'tis what their job is, so I thought. I only intervene out of common courtesy if I see someone in potentially more danger than they can handle. I was on a platform at reading station awaiting a changeover late one night recently when a scruffy and 'agitated' young lad was flaoting around one of the food places pestering the lone member of staff for some free food as he had no money, after she'd said no a few times and he was following her around the seats as she was cleaning up I decided to make my presence felt so he backed off. Being a kind type the young lady gave him a pastry for free as it was the end of the day and he possibly was indeed hungry, the sod then swiped a cookie on his way out. he never made it out the door. -- Mark. www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk www.TwistedArts.co.uk www.BeautifulBondage.net |
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"MarkVarley - MVP" wrote in message ... I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other ..... are you a client of whoever you were meeting? day and someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, ....maybe he was just exercising. there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. And what did the barrier leaper look like, did he look like someone who if approached would be humble and contrite? And what should the member of staff have done if he had approached the barrier leaper, if he dialled 999 the Met would not attend and say it was BTP job, and the BTP are understaffed and overworked, do you really think the leaper was at any risk of officers from any force showing up if the member of staff had apprehended him? The guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are staff not supposed to do something? And you did **** all yourself huh? -- Mark. www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk www.TwistedArts.co.uk www.BeautifulBondage.net I had a look at your links, what a pile of twisted crap! Is there really mugs who pay money for that tosh? |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:11:12 -0000, "Stockwell Brazillian Barrier
Leaper" wrote this gibberish: "MarkVarley - MVP" wrote in message .. . I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other .... are you a client of whoever you were meeting? odd question day and someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, ...maybe he was just exercising. and maybe he wasn't, what an odd perspective you have on the world. there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. And what did the barrier leaper look like, did he look like someone who if approached would be humble and contrite? And what should the member of staff have done if he had approached the barrier leaper, if he dialled 999 the Met would not attend and say it was BTP job, and the BTP are understaffed and overworked, do you really think the leaper was at any risk of officers from any force showing up if the member of staff had apprehended him? Not anything I know anything about. The guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are staff not supposed to do something? And you did **** all yourself huh? I've already answered a more politely put version. -- Mark. www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk www.TwistedArts.co.uk www.BeautifulBondage.net I had a look at your links, what a pile of twisted crap! Is there really mugs who pay money for that tosh? some people have taste and style, other people use words like 'crap' and 'tosh' descriptively. -- Mark. www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk www.TwistedArts.co.uk www.BeautifulBondage.net |
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MarkVarley - MVP wrote:
I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. Did nothing? I would have expected a round of applause at the very least for an impressive display of such atypical athleticism. He should have be tracked down and signed up for the 2012 team. If he does that to save a few quid, he'll probably do 110m hurdles for about £30 cash-in-hand and a few tins of beer. Might not be so good on the drugs test though. ESB |
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