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Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
And one thing can be certain - there will be much said and indeed much
to say about it. Already BAA have put the plan to fingerprint all passengers flying from T5 on hold because of concerns over compliance with data protection laws, whilst anti-third runway protesters plan on holding a 'flash mob protest' at T5 at 11am today. Main BBC News online story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7314816.stm BBC News - BA pioneer to land first T5 plane http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7313093.stm BBC News - Heathrow fingerprint plan on hold http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7315415.stm BAA has produced a fairly comprehensive and reasonably informative Terminal 5 information pack, which can be read or downloaded via this link (PDF): http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...fo_packnew.pdf The 'Vital Statistics' pages do contain some useful hard facts, along with the obligatory comparisons of elements of T5 with pre-existing 'big things' - however, whilst some such comparisons are ridiculed, the fact that the T5 site is stated to be the equivalent area to Hyde Park did catch my imagination (though maybe that just merely proves I'm a bit of a simpleton...). And anyone who decides that the unit of comparison for the amount of steel in the roof is to be bull elephants wins my respect! (It's 2,833 bull elephants worth of steel, by the way - and you'd better get used to it, as this is the unit which Lakshmi Mittal is apparently considering switching to.) Lots of other things of note in there. I particularly liked the choice of the type of tree that was chosen for the area outside the main entrance to the terminal building - the 40 woody perennials in question are of course London Plane trees. |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
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, at 18:59:34 on Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Mizter T remarked: http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...fo_packnew.pdf The 'Vital Statistics' pages do contain some useful hard facts "The TTS station is underground, and passengers travelling from Terminal 5B descend to the station via the longest open design escalator in Europe. It will take 90 seconds to travel on the escalator which has a vertical rise of 21.75 metres. Does that beat the escalator at Angel Tube station? What's an "open design" escalator, anyway; and where is the presumably longer "not open design" escalator somewhere else in Europe? -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:59:34 on Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Mizter T remarked: http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...fo_packnew.pdf The 'Vital Statistics' pages do contain some useful hard facts "The TTS station is underground, and passengers travelling from Terminal 5B descend to the station via the longest open design escalator in Europe. It will take 90 seconds to travel on the escalator which has a vertical rise of 21.75 metres. Does that beat the escalator at Angel Tube station? No - Angel rises 27.4 m in 60m length - less than the Tyne Foot Tunnel at 25.9 in 60m too. I guess open design just means the underside is visible (through glass perhaps). Of course London 'records' are often a little dubious, like the recent 'first ever' bowstring arch railway bridge! Paul S |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
On 27 Mar, 01:59, Mizter T wrote: And one thing can be certain - there will be much said and indeed much to say about it. Already BAA have put the plan to fingerprint all passengers flying from T5 on hold because of concerns over compliance with data protection laws, whilst anti-third runway protesters plan on holding a 'flash mob protest' at T5 at 11am today. (snip) When I wrote the above post I almost included a comment along the lines of 'wonder how long it'll take for it to go SNAFU', but then decided that T5 should be given the benefit of the doubt. After all, I'd read about extensive testing of the baggage handling facilities that had been going on for months before opening, and the T5 information pack does state that whilst the new system is state of the art, it does not use any untested technologies because of the increased risk for foul-ups. However things have not gone to plan today at T5 - the baggage handling system is causing grief - some highlights.... * delays of up to four hours in getting arriving baggage onto the luggage carousels * seven flights have taken off without passengers' baggage on board * 34 flights cancelled so far ....and now all baggage check-in has been suspended (BBC report as of 1720). Of course these glitches will be sorted over the coming days and weeks. |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 18:59:34 on Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Mizter T remarked: http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...fo_packnew.pdf The 'Vital Statistics' pages do contain some useful hard facts "The TTS station is underground, and passengers travelling from Terminal 5B descend to the station via the longest open design escalator in Europe. It will take 90 seconds to travel on the escalator which has a vertical rise of 21.75 metres. Does that beat the escalator at Angel Tube station? What's an "open design" escalator, anyway; and where is the presumably longer "not open design" escalator somewhere else in Europe? -- Do you mean Western Europe? Because the escalators on the Budapest metro are quite deep. |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
On 27 Mar, 01:59, Mizter T wrote:
And one thing can be certain - there will be much said and indeed much to say about it. Already BAA have put the plan to fingerprint all passengers flying from T5 on hold because of concerns over compliance with data protection laws, whilst anti-third runway protesters plan on holding a 'flash mob protest' at T5 at 11am today. Main BBC News online story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7314816.stm BBC News - BA pioneer to land first T5 plane http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7313093.stm BBC News - Heathrow fingerprint plan on hold http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7315415.stm BAA has produced a fairly comprehensive and reasonably informative Terminal 5 information pack, which can be read or downloaded via this link (PDF): http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...20Files/T5_Inf... The 'Vital Statistics' pages do contain some useful hard facts, along with the obligatory comparisons of elements of T5 with pre-existing 'big things' - however, whilst some such comparisons are ridiculed, the fact that the T5 site is stated to be the equivalent area to Hyde Park did catch my imagination (though maybe that just merely proves I'm a bit of a simpleton...). And anyone who decides that the unit of comparison for the amount of steel in the roof is to be bull elephants wins my respect! (It's 2,833 bull elephants worth of steel, by the way - and you'd better get used to it, as this is the unit which Lakshmi Mittal is apparently considering switching to.) Lots of other things of note in there. I particularly liked the choice of the type of tree that was chosen for the area outside the main entrance to the terminal building - the 40 woody perennials in question are of course London Plane trees. Where can I find an update to http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...ers_map_05.pdf showing which bus services are free along the perimeter roads of the airport now that Terminal 5 is open? |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
On Mar 27, 9:46 pm, Roland Perry wrote:
Moscow metro's longest escalator is 126 m (Park Pobedy), apparently [wikipedia]. More than twice the Angel. A different source says the Ukraine has the longest escalator at 87m. Theres a couple of stations on the Kiev metro (Dnipra, Arsenelna) that are seriously deep because they're in the side of a cliff with 2 sets of escalators to go down, both probably longer than Angel though thats a guess on my part just based on what I saw. I've been told they were designed as nuclear bunkers. They're certainly very impressive to look at. B2003 |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
On Mar 27, 10:15*am, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:59:34 on Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Mizter T remarked: http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...20Files/T5_Inf... The 'Vital Statistics' pages do contain some useful hard facts * * * * "The TTS station is underground, and passengers travelling from * * * * Terminal 5B descend to the station via the longest open design * * * * escalator in Europe. It will take 90 seconds to travel on the * * * * escalator which has a vertical rise of 21.75 metres. Does that beat the escalator at Angel Tube station? What's an "open design" escalator, anyway; and where is the presumably longer "not open design" escalator somewhere else in Europe? I presume they mean it's not in a closed shaft, like Angel's is - this one is in a very large atrium, with open space above and below. There's a photo at http://flickr.com/photos/22819720@N02/2307578958/ - martin |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
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, at 09:48:34 on Sat, 29 Mar 2008, martin remarked: What's an "open design" escalator, anyway; and where is the presumably longer "not open design" escalator somewhere else in Europe? I presume they mean it's not in a closed shaft, like Angel's is - this one is in a very large atrium, with open space above and below. There's a photo at http://flickr.com/photos/22819720@N02/2307578958/ There seems to be a lot of "going up and down" mentioned with respect to T5. I understand they don't have the space to make it flat like Stansted, but couldn't they have kept it more on one floor (one each for arrivals and departures), like Gatwick North? -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
martin wrote:
There's a photo at http://flickr.com/photos/22819720@N02/2307578958/ Thanks, there's quite a few photos in that gallery - I particularly enjoyed the ones of the frosted glass panels. |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
On 29 Mar, 17:24, Roland Perry wrote:
There seems to be a lot of "going up and down" mentioned with respect to T5. I understand they don't have the space to make it flat like Stansted, but couldn't they have kept it more on one floor (one each for arrivals and departures), like Gatwick North? It's a fairly good design. From the tube (lower basement) you go up by direct lift to Departures on the top floor (where the coach drop off road also is). Check in and security happens on this floor. If your gate is in building 5B you get a long escalator down to the people mover in the basement., but for gates in the main building you go down one floor on an escalator to where the gate waiting areas are, and also the shops. Each gate then has another escalator (and lift) behind the boarding pass desk that goes down to the floor below, where the actual jetways are. IF you're arriving, the jetways are on the same floor as immigration/ customs. Once complete you go down one floor to baggage claim, which I think is on the ground floor. You come out by the tube/HEx ticket office, and it's a simple lift down to catch a train. There's a lot of up and down, but very little horizontal movement. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
Mr Thant wrote:
On 29 Mar, 17:24, Roland Perry wrote: There seems to be a lot of "going up and down" mentioned with respect to T5. I understand they don't have the space to make it flat like Stansted, but couldn't they have kept it more on one floor (one each for arrivals and departures), like Gatwick North? It's a fairly good design. From the tube (lower basement) you go up by direct lift to Departures on the top floor (where the coach drop off road also is). Check in and security happens on this floor. If your gate is in building 5B you get a long escalator down to the people mover in the basement., but for gates in the main building you go down one floor on an escalator to where the gate waiting areas are, and also the shops. Actually the escalators to the people mover start from the T5A gate waiting and shops floor. I wandered past them during the trial I was on while waiting for my "flight" to Moscow, but unfortunately they were out of use that day. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
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, at 12:22:08 on Sat, 29 Mar 2008, Mr Thant remarked: IF you're arriving, the jetways are on the same floor as immigration/ customs. Once complete you go down one floor to baggage claim, I doubt that customs is *before* baggage claim. which I think is on the ground floor. You come out by the tube/HEx ticket office, and it's a simple lift down to catch a train. That may explain a comment I read about transit passengers having to go "down to the station then back up again". Maybe they aren't actually going underground at all, just down to baggage claim level (which may feel like it's underground even if actually at ground level) then back up to the security level, then back down again to the shops (etc). -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
Try http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...ow/default.asp
Jason wrote in message ... On 27 Mar, 01:59, Mizter T wrote: And one thing can be certain - there will be much said and indeed much to say about it. Already BAA have put the plan to fingerprint all passengers flying from T5 on hold because of concerns over compliance with data protection laws, whilst anti-third runway protesters plan on holding a 'flash mob protest' at T5 at 11am today. Main BBC News online story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7314816.stm BBC News - BA pioneer to land first T5 plane http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7313093.stm BBC News - Heathrow fingerprint plan on hold http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7315415.stm BAA has produced a fairly comprehensive and reasonably informative Terminal 5 information pack, which can be read or downloaded via this link (PDF): http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...20Files/T5_Inf... The 'Vital Statistics' pages do contain some useful hard facts, along with the obligatory comparisons of elements of T5 with pre-existing 'big things' - however, whilst some such comparisons are ridiculed, the fact that the T5 site is stated to be the equivalent area to Hyde Park did catch my imagination (though maybe that just merely proves I'm a bit of a simpleton...). And anyone who decides that the unit of comparison for the amount of steel in the roof is to be bull elephants wins my respect! (It's 2,833 bull elephants worth of steel, by the way - and you'd better get used to it, as this is the unit which Lakshmi Mittal is apparently considering switching to.) Lots of other things of note in there. I particularly liked the choice of the type of tree that was chosen for the area outside the main entrance to the terminal building - the 40 woody perennials in question are of course London Plane trees. Where can I find an update to http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...ers_map_05.pdf showing which bus services are free along the perimeter roads of the airport now that Terminal 5 is open? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
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Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Jason Fisher remarked: Try http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...ow/default.asp http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...5/pdf/T5spider map.pdf At first sight that seems to be the opposite of what the OP was asking for. In other words it says (in top RH corner) that you need to pay for the buses, and confusingly the only two (eg) between T123 and T5 are the 441/724, which it says doesn't accept tfl payment methods (but omits to say what methods it *does* accept). If you look very carefully, there's a Heathrow "freeflow" area, but it's not explained particularly well, Also not clear why T5 needs 31 bus stops for just 9 bus services !! wrote in message news:541342c3-5656-47f4-bb58-d ... Where can I find an update to http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...20Files/Space_ Invaders_map_05.pdf showing which bus services are free along the perimeter roads of the airport now that Terminal 5 is open? -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 opens today
wrote Where can I find an update to http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...Files/Space_In vaders_map_05.pdf showing which bus services are free along the perimeter roads of the airport now that Terminal 5 is open? A non-BAA one is http://www.milesfaster.co.uk/informa...heathrow-londo n-bus.htm Some items have not been updated, so note the 555 sevice is now 2 per hour (556 dropped) and the revised 557 only goes as far as Hatton Cross. My understanding was that the freeflow zone applied to all 'local' buses but not to coaches or the inter-hotel Hoppa. The Reading and Woking Rail-Air links count as coaches, the Feltham link is a regular Tfl bus (285). http://www.milesfaster.co.uk/informa...heathrow-freef low.pdf -- Mike D -- Mike D |
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